Will Thailand have to get involved in the South China Sea tensions?

[BE88]

41 minutes ago, 2baht said:

Is China's 9 dash line legal and valid? 

 

 

 

 

China's 9 dash line is an invalid territorial claim because:

It is illegal. It endangers the sovereignty of multiple states with exclusive economic zones in the south china sea.

It is clear that China is using all legal and pseudo-legal with ancient claims  means to came back  a great world power.

Here an interesting article about it https://www.iasexpress.net/chinas-territorial-disputes/

 

Edited August 22, 2022 by BE88

[Misty]

Can Thailand help but be involved?

 

From the FT's "Go to south-east Asia, young one"  by Janan Ganesh  (shared with permission):   "With its ambiguous geopolitical posture, this region (ASEAN) is going to be what The Economist calls the “main zone of contention” between the US and China. Each superpower will deluge it for decades with investment and official attention."   https://on.ft.com/3wnyqCR

[hotchilli]

7 hours ago, webfact said:

China has also confirmed that President Xi Jinping will visit Thailand for the APEC summit in November.

Now I know for certain Prayut will not be going on Wednesday

[chrischronic]

On 8/22/2022 at 3:58 AM, Jerno said:

Will Thailand get involved...?  Of course not!  When there's been past armed conflicts and (many) wars, Thailand has never picked sides. Have never sent Military to aid any other country during wars.  Can't even admit or commit to the undeniable fact that Putin/Russia is a barbaric aggressor and totally wrong invading Ukraine.  

 

Thailand does supply military aid in past conflicts.

During Vietnam About 40,000 Thai military would serve in South Vietnam, with 351 killed in action and 1,358 wounded. 

 

One agreement with the USA during this was being paid $50‐million a year for sending a combat division to South Vietnam.

The United States also agreed to increase its military assistance by $30‐million for two years and to supply Thailand with a battery of Hawk antiaircraft missiles.

 

Also during the Korean War Thailand was one of the first countries to support sending battle ships and 21st Infantry Regiment, Queen's Guard. 

they were involved in pork chop hill and the third battle of soul. 

 

 

[hotchilli]

6 hours ago, Thunglom said:

They have USE, European and JAnaese industries here in big numbers - they also have Taiwanese factories - if China polarises the situation, Thailand could have serious economic repercussions.

Agreed, Thailand will have a tough choice to make if China wants to get rough.

Sitting on the fence will no-longer be an option.

[2baht]

47 minutes ago, BE88 said:

It is clear that China is using all legal and pseudo-legal with ancient claims  means to came back  a great world power.

Here an interesting article about it https://www.iasexpress.net/chinas-territorial-disputes/

 

Part of their aggressive communist expansion plans.

[foreverlomsak]

7 hours ago, Jerno said:

Will Thailand get involved...?  Of course not!  When there's been past armed conflicts and (many) wars, Thailand has never picked sides. Have never sent Military to aid any other country during wars.  Can't even admit or commit to the undeniable fact that Putin/Russia is a barbaric aggressor and totally wrong invading Ukraine.  

Check your facts, there were Thai Forces involved in the Korean War, see 

Thailand in the Korean War - Wikipedia

[Burma Bill]

8 hours ago, webfact said:

President Xi Jinping will visit Thailand for the APEC summit in November.

Will he be bringing an engine for the Thai submarine???

[Photoguy21]

If Thailand tries to play both sides i.e. USA and China then yes they will but it wouldn't be advisable. Thailand would probably get badly burned if they do.

[Almer]

Sorry for my

lack of knowledge,

why were Uk pow’s used by Japan to build the railway in Burma?

[spidermike007]

3 hours ago, BE88 said:

The bombs on Prachuap was a mistake by the Japanese, they did not know it was a holiday resort but was aware of what happened and the King immediately declared that he was welcome to Prachuap as armed tourists.

Cute. It was the air force base, Wing Five, that they targeted. If memory serves me correct, over 40 Thai pilots were lost in a matter of a few hours. 

[itsari]

7 hours ago, LomSak27 said:

Thailand has not been neutral for a long time, although it likes to pretend it is.  

Foot in either side of the fence .

 

[trainman34014]

They are well equipped for any Conflict; two Submarines with no Engines and two F35's with no Armaments !

[Iron Tongue]

9 hours ago, Jerno said:

Will Thailand get involved...?  Of course not!  When there's been past armed conflicts and (many) wars, Thailand has never picked sides. Have never sent Military to aid any other country during wars.  Can't even admit or commit to the undeniable fact that Putin/Russia is a barbaric aggressor and totally wrong invading Ukraine.  

Hmmm, let's try to list them all together:

WW1 -Thais sent occupation forces to Germany

WW2 -Thais technically allied with the Japanese but then attacked Vichy French territories, who were allies of Germany at that point

Korean War -Thais sent troops to fight the communists

Malayan Emergency -Thais fought against the Malays

1949 China Civil War -Thais let KMT Chinese forces operate along the border, later allowing remnants of 2 armies to settle on border to help fight deleted and communist insurgents

Vietnam War -Thais sent forces to assist Sojth VN

Cambodian-Vietnam War -Thais took advantage of conflict to cut slices of territories claimed from Cambodia

China-Vietnam War -Thais fought the Vietnamese

9/11  -Thais provided assistance and logistical support to Allied forces

 

I'm sure I missed a few, but even Canadians should understand that Thailand has, historically, been the most warlike people of SE Asia, and they have a history of fighting China as well.

When China tries to cut-off all the SE Asian nations rights to navigate, fish, and exploit natural resources like gas and oil, the Thais will have no choice but to resist.

 

 

[wwest5829]

10 hours ago, Jerno said:

Will Thailand get involved...?  Of course not!  When there's been past armed conflicts and (many) wars, Thailand has never picked sides. Have never sent Military to aid any other country during wars.  Can't even admit or commit to the undeniable fact that Putin/Russia is a barbaric aggressor and totally wrong invading Ukraine.  

Au contraire ... WW I Thailand fought on side of the Triple Entente. Small contingent but still ... As to WW II, mixed bag Thais fought on both sides. It was enough for the US to decide differently than England in declaring Thailand a defeated power (yes, I am aware, due to the Thai declaration of not being delivered). There are a number of Americans here, many now retired who remember being stationed here during Vietnam ... South Korean and Thai troops developed an earned reputation of fighters in Vietnam.

Edited August 22, 2022 by wwest5829

[wwest5829]

8 hours ago, Geoffggi said:

Will Thailand have to get involved in the South China Sea tensions?

 

Only if there is no other way to dodge getting involved - Dual standards being the stumbling block ......................LOL

Dual standards or allowing two stronger powers to argue it out while Thailand tries the traditional role so as to maintain some semblance of independence.

[grego49]

Mabe these could help 5555

[Autonuaq]

14 hours ago, Jerno said:

Will Thailand get involved...?  Of course not!  When there's been past armed conflicts and (many) wars, Thailand has never picked sides. Have never sent Military to aid any other country during wars.  Can't even admit or commit to the undeniable fact that Putin/Russia is a barbaric aggressor and totally wrong invading Ukraine.  

You are totally wrong, and partly right because Siam changed it name in to Thailand.

Siam did pick side in the First World war and did send troops to Germany to fight.

In 1918, a unit of the Royal Siamese Army marched into Germany to occupy part of the Rhineland - a fact that is largely unknown today. The Siamese Expeditionary Corps, Thailand's WW1 unit that served on the Western Front.
 

[Donga]

10 hours ago, BE88 said:

If we exclude Taiwan which is China and only because Japan and Vietnam and the Philippines have stood by and watched,

China astutely applied an old Western rule of who plants a flag of the uncovered nation on a virgin place automatically becomes the owner.

No country could contest this legal action.

 

Not quite correct. Philippines did contest and won even if the jurisdiction doesn't have a lot of teeth... https://www.forbes.com/sites/jillgoldenziel/2021/07/19/heres-why-china-is-afraid-of-an-obscure-international-court/?sh=343ce0d13d8c

In general maritime terms China, under Xi Jinping, is way out of line and the reason why the good guys are beginning to sail on through and do more and more exercises in the the area. 

In any case, I think Xi is heading for an overdue fall, as have enough faith the good people of China will determine they want no further part in his grandiose plans to stay in power, let alone takeover an island which is showing China what can be achieved.

Edited August 22, 2022 by Donga

[Fortean1]

14 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

Very few people seem to know the allies conducted bombing raids on Bangkok. They still find unexploded ordinance here and there. The battle of Prachuap lasted only a few hours, then Thailand agreed to be occupied by Japan. 

Those bombers also hit bridges here just a few miles south of Hua Hin.  EOD removed bombs here just a few years ago.  Also, the declaration of war against the U.S. was not delivered by the Thai ambassador.  The U.S. sought no reparations.  The United Kingdom certainly did.

[BE88]

11 hours ago, Donga said:

Not quite correct. Philippines did contest and won even if the jurisdiction doesn't have a lot of teeth... https://www.forbes.com/sites/jillgoldenziel/2021/07/19/heres-why-china-is-afraid-of-an-obscure-international-court/?sh=343ce0d13d8c

In general maritime terms China, under Xi Jinping, is way out of line and the reason why the good guys are beginning to sail on through and do more and more exercises in the the area. 

In any case, I think Xi is heading for an overdue fall, as have enough faith the good people of China will determine they want no further part in his grandiose plans to stay in power, let alone takeover an island which is showing China what can be achieved.

 

20 hours ago, 2baht said:

Part of their aggressive communist expansion plans.

Unfortunately I have to give you bad news according to the plan of the globalists like Klaus Schwab who wrote a very revealing book on how they are a Communist plan where we would have nothing and we will be happy.

 

To be happy in their plans, marijuana and other hard drugs are probably in the plans. now coincidentally many countries as if by magic are opening up to the use of cannabis direction.

 

https://www.weforum.org/

 

[connda]

Thailand will eventually have to take a side.

Now.  Do they side with the country 14,000 miles away, or do they side with the country 200 km from my home as the crow flies?

Given the history of Thailand especially in WWII.  I have my bets.

[JimGant]

On 8/22/2022 at 7:23 AM, Excel said:

But let's face it, joining in with the US in the Vietnam war was something that I doubt they choose to do, rather what they were told to do as some kind of recognition for the millions upon millions of dollars that the US poured into Thailand to build the infrastructure necessary for their ( the US ) war. 

Uh, Thailand was not big on Communism, being involved in fighting an indigenous group of in-country commies -- and watching neighbors Cambodia, Laos, and Vietnam turn red. So, joining the US in its fight against the commies wasn't a hard decision, particularly when Communism was so antithetical to the Monarchy. Certainly, more honorable than the Dutch in WWI, who watched the world burn down around them without taking up arms.

[JimGant]

3 hours ago, connda said:

Thailand will eventually have to take a side.

Why? What side were Switzerland and Sweden on in WWII? No, Thailand is ideally situated to remain neutral for any problems between China and the US.

[chalawaan]

Cobra Gold or Dogfights with "Dragons" They can't have it both ways!

Even if the regime suck up to China, the dragons breath will eventually scorch them, as the Philippines, Pakistan and Sri Lanka are discovering, and Cambodia 

and Burma will soon find out.

Naysayers can play whataboutism with USAs faults all they like, at its worst, America is a thousand times more benign than China at its best.

 

The only reason China hasn't bombed the <deleted> out of anyone yet is that, it prefers to scam them into submission (which, admittedly beats war, but not by much for the financially destroyed victims.)

And the second reason is they'll get handed their tails by most armies out there. 

The Brits did it in Malaya (Bravo, Dad!) in the 1950s and the Vietnamese did it in the 1970s right after they fought the Vietnam war!

 

Edited August 23, 2022 by chalawaan

[orchidfan]

On 8/22/2022 at 5:52 AM, grain said:

Not quite correct. Thailand certainly picked sides in WW2 and sided with the Axis and a declaration of war was sent to the USA. There were also Thai troops fighting in Vietnam. And I read long ago that some Siamese troops were fighting in Europe during WW1, from memory they were attached to the French Indo-China colonial forces.

Also one of the first UN contributors in the Korean war 1950~53.

Ref. Wikipedia 

[DaiHard]

On 8/22/2022 at 5:52 AM, grain said:

Not quite correct. Thailand certainly picked sides in WW2 and sided with the Axis and a declaration of war was sent to the USA. There were also Thai troops fighting in Vietnam. And I read long ago that some Siamese troops were fighting in Europe during WW1, from memory they were attached to the French Indo-China colonial forces.

They were mainly airmen. Thailand was present at the signing of the Armistice 

[EricTh]

On 8/22/2022 at 5:52 AM, grain said:

Not quite correct. Thailand certainly picked sides in WW2 and sided with the Axis and a declaration of war was sent to the USA. There were also Thai troops fighting in Vietnam. And I read long ago that some Siamese troops were fighting in Europe during WW1, from memory they were attached to the French Indo-China colonial forces.

Thailand has the largest overseas Chinese in the world and many of them hold powerful political and economic positions.

 

In fact, the deputy PM and the health minister are both ethnic Chinese.

 

If they wanted to take side, it will be on China's side; that's the opinions of most of the Thai Chinese that I've met.

 

Edited August 23, 2022 by EricTh

[billd766]

On 8/22/2022 at 3:58 AM, Jerno said:

Will Thailand get involved...?  Of course not!  When there's been past armed conflicts and (many) wars, Thailand has never picked sides. Have never sent Military to aid any other country during wars.  Can't even admit or commit to the undeniable fact that Putin/Russia is a barbaric aggressor and totally wrong invading Ukraine.  

I bow to your wonderful imagination and lack of research.

 

If you are going to state something like this, try a little research first. It may stop you looking somewhat foolish.

 

quote "Thailand has never picked sides. Have never sent Military to aid any other country during wars."

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_involving_Thailand

 

So according to you, Thailand was never involved in

 

The Chinese civil war from 1949 to 1961

The Korean war from 1950 to 1953

The Vietnam war from 1955 to 1975

The Communist emergency in Thailand from 1965 to 1983

The Cambodian civil war from 1968 to 1975

The communist emergency in Malaya from 1968 to 1989

The Third Indo China war from 1975 to 1991

Vietnamese Border raids in Thailand 1979 to 1989

The Thai-Laotion border war 1987 to 1988

The Persian Gulf war 1990 to 1991

International Force in East Timor from 199 to 2000

Operation Enduring Freedom in the Horn of Africa from 2002 to the present

[metisdead]

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