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Who are more selfish? People people who have kids or people who don't have kids?

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 Who are more selfish? People who have kids or people who don't have kids?

I think the former- especially  for environmental reasons.

Making enough kids is essential for every countries development, future security and stability!
 

Unless you think globalisation is an good idea? 
 

I have choosed not to have kids out of egoistic reasons, but I also think the future of todays generation do not look to bright compare to our time. 

Pensions are going to be paid by today’s kids, whether through tax or company earnings.  I can see that there is   an argument that we have <deleted> the world so badly, we should die out with our damage instead of condemning future generations to suffer what we have done, and I hope youngsters today take the same view

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Our planet does not need any more humans ...... by far the most destructive species on Earth.

 

We need a better survival plan than just breeding like cockroaches.

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A new born baby by the time it dies will have a more damaging environmental impact than 10 thousand diesel  trucks.

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1 minute ago, bert bloggs said:

I have a son and a daughter,i am the luckiest man in the world

As long as I don't  have to  pay taxes to support  them or sit near them  on a night flight

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3 minutes ago, The Hammer2021 said:

As long as I don't  have to  pay taxes to support  them or sit near them  on a night flight

And the question was "Who is the most selfish" 

Just answered your own question 

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1 hour ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

And the question was "Who is the most selfish" 

Just answered your own question 

The person expecting me to pay for their lifestyle choice, presumably

2 minutes ago, The Hammer2021 said:

The person expecting me to pay for their lifestyle choice, presumably

And people paid taxes to support your Parents choice to have YOU born and raised .

But you object to paying in return  for other people to do likewise ?

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4 minutes ago, The Hammer2021 said:

The person expecting me to pay for their lifestyle choice, presumably

We all benefits from collective societies, why should you not pay your two dollars so kids can go to school and one day provide you much needed services and make sure you get your pension?
 

If you are not born with a silver spoon in mouth and a egoistic self made millionaire you should understand the importance of continuity 

"Those who do indeed decide to have a child might do so for any number of reasons, but among these reasons cannot be the interests of the potential child. One can never have a child for that child’s sake." (David Benatar)

24 minutes ago, JackGats said:

"Those who do indeed decide to have a child might do so for any number of reasons, but among these reasons cannot be the interests of the potential child. One can never have a child for that child’s sake." (David Benatar)

Having a child is out of own needs, nothing else

8 minutes ago, The Hammer2021 said:

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/weird-news/man-rages-hes-forced-give-27812608

One of many stories this week about entitled parents demanding  preferential treatment on flights

Although the Parents didnt "demand" anything and its one story , not "many".

Its the airline that allocates peoples seats and the furious person in question got the seats he paid for , just in a different location a few rows back .

   

3 hours ago, The Hammer2021 said:

A new born baby by the time it dies will have a more damaging environmental impact than 10 thousand diesel  trucks.

And they smell and sound worse too! 

There are good parents and bad parents,  Intentional parents and accidental parents.   And even some parents who are completely unaware that they have offspring out there.  And of course some who are aware, but uninterested in parenting and intentionally absent, or involuntarily removed from their children's lives by the person they mated with. 

 

Having a kid doesn't require a license or even any particular skill or talent, so we see many people having kids who maybe shouldn't.   Who's to say?   It has always been so, and enough good humans have propagated from this process for the species to have survived and thrived, thus far anyway.

 

Being a good parent does require a good degree of effort over some number of years.   Are good parents less selfish than bad parents/absent parents/unaware parents?  I think so, as being a good parent requires subordinating some of your needs to those of your children and family.   

 

But if you want to compare good parents to non-parents I don't think you can draw any black or white conclusions.  

 

Those worried about overpopulation should watch a few videos by demographer Peter Zeihan. 

The future is NOT what you think. 

 

He leans left, by the way. 

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On 8/28/2022 at 7:15 PM, Kinnock said:

Our planet does not need any more humans ...... by far the most destructive species on Earth.

 

We need a better survival plan than just breeding like cockroaches.

Yep.

 

Especially when you factor climate change and, concomitantly, increasing resource scarcity on a planet which is already nearing its carrying capacity even now.

 

People who don't take such broader considerations into account are little more than unconscious breeding machines. 

As long as there are enough Thai mother who make sure there are enough Thai daughters, after about 18 years, I don't care.

22 hours ago, fusion58 said:

Yep.

 

Especially when you factor climate change and, concomitantly, increasing resource scarcity on a planet which is already nearing its carrying capacity even now.

 

People who don't take such broader considerations into account are little more than unconscious breeding machines. 

And then there are those many people who like to believe scary messages but don't listen enough to experts.

 

 

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Not sure i completely understand the premise of the post.

 

The greater global picture aside.

 

I think for most us without kids, you think about yourself first and foremost, and it's screw the rest of you.

 

When you have kids something deep in our brainstem kicks in you would do anything for that squirming bundle of flesh even if it harmed you in someway.

 

It's a selfishness that lasts too. All three of my kids are in their 20's and 30's, yet I'd walk over hot coals to get them out of a jam

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