richard_smith237 Posted October 19, 2022 Share Posted October 19, 2022 15 minutes ago, Ginner said: Unbelievable, that the RTP told the injured party to investigate it themselves. Ha! Sadly... its perfectly believable.... We all know precisely how lazy the Thai Police are. They will ONLY step up to action in two scenarios... 1) Money (i.e. they are given cash to do their job and investigate). 2) Social Media embarrasses them into action. In this case, social media has embarrassed them into action... The Police will investigate, find the driver who will be duly charged with something minor... The driver will give the victims a basket of Brands Birds-Nest, be photographed offering a Wai... Pay the Police 500 baht for the driving infraction.... The lack of police response will be reported as a misunderstanding.... Face saved all around, victims still f*<ked over, out of pocket and with injuries... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aussienam Posted October 19, 2022 Share Posted October 19, 2022 A police response like that is just more and more and more reinforcing of negative opinions against them. Definitely very unprofessional and disappointing. If police cannot be bothered to help then what hope do Thai people have? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dingdongrb Posted October 19, 2022 Share Posted October 19, 2022 3 hours ago, kennw said: Wrong, M/C supposed to be in the left lane unless overtaking. Also stay in the center of their lane not on the line dividing the lanes as most M/C's seem to do so that they can pass on any side. Please tell me that you do not drive here in Thailand. ..........and if you do I surely hope you don't drive anywhere near me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BangkokReady Posted October 19, 2022 Share Posted October 19, 2022 1 hour ago, Ginner said: Unbelievable, that the RTP told the injured party to investigate it themselves. Ha! Quite literally adding insult to injury... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeffersLos Posted October 19, 2022 Share Posted October 19, 2022 (edited) The scooter rider was in the wrong. "The driver of a motorcycle shall keep to the curbside of the roadway as close as possible. If such a roadway is divided into two or more lanes in the same direction, the driver shall drive the vehicle in the outermost left-hand side lane." He should have been respecting the laws of Thailand, and the incident wouldn't have happened. They are lucky the police didn't fine them 400-1000B. Edited October 19, 2022 by JeffersLos 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thailand49 Posted October 19, 2022 Share Posted October 19, 2022 Getting the big picture in driving which isn't taught because those doing the leading and teaching have never been taught themselves. Watching the video what is missing is if you are licensed and your vehicle is register and road worthy you have a right to the use and share the road. In this incident the vehicle was in the wrong there is a reason turns are taught in a specific manner which Thais haven't been taught at all. When you execute a left turn you start on the left finish on the left, same when executing a right. Here the SUV did neither the SUV merged into the main road from the left and try to make a right from the same lane. Whether the bike being in that lane isn't relevant what is relevant the biker wasn't taught right either never taught to get the bigger picture when driving most likely like most drivers here focus looking down instead of forward if they were would have spotted the SUV coming from the left earlier a second being aware might have allowed the driver to avoid. Whatever the case it was Hit and Run, and the police response is unacceptable also Hit and Run from their responsibility. Bunch of Clowns dress up! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rwill Posted October 19, 2022 Share Posted October 19, 2022 6 hours ago, jossthaifarang said: Motorcycle supposed to stay in the far left lane, car should have looked in the mirror, but mainly it is the motorcycle drivers fault. Still, a terrible person for not stopping to help. Did you look at the center divider markings? You are not supposed to pass or make a right hand turn there let alone an U-turn. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richard_smith237 Posted October 19, 2022 Share Posted October 19, 2022 37 minutes ago, JeffersLos said: The scooter rider was in the wrong. "The driver of a motorcycle shall keep to the curbside of the roadway as close as possible. If such a roadway is divided into two or more lanes in the same direction, the driver shall drive the vehicle in the outermost left-hand side lane." He should have been respecting the laws of Thailand, and the incident wouldn't have happened. They are lucky the police didn't fine them 400-1000B. Thats for highway driving and Motorcycles are not singled out. Your understanding of the translation of the Land Traffic Act would see people only using the left most lanes only in the cities and towns.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeffersLos Posted October 19, 2022 Share Posted October 19, 2022 28 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said: Thats for highway driving and Motorcycles are not singled out. Motorcycles are listed. It is the law for motorcycles. It is for all roads, not only highways. Post up evidence that it is instead of lying. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richard_smith237 Posted October 19, 2022 Share Posted October 19, 2022 55 minutes ago, JeffersLos said: The scooter rider was in the wrong. "The driver of a motorcycle shall keep to the curbside of the roadway as close as possible. If such a roadway is divided into two or more lanes in the same direction, the driver shall drive the vehicle in the outermost left-hand side lane." He should have been respecting the laws of Thailand, and the incident wouldn't have happened. They are lucky the police didn't fine them 400-1000B. Are you seriously blaming the motorcyclist for this incident??? Or, are you trying to point out that ‘you think’ the motorcyclist was also in the wrong and therefor complicit in the outcome ? I think you've mis-understood this regulation... There are many translations of the Root Traffic Act, the wording clearer in some other translations. .... The regulation 35 states that vehicles must remain left on multi-lane roads when travelling slower than other vehicles. The regulation does not state that motorcycles are not permitted in 'passing lanes’. There is no stipulation in the preceding and superseding regulation 34 preventing the motorcycle from being in a passing lane. Quote [If the road is divided into two or more traffic lanes in the same direction, the driver shall keep to the outermost left-hand side lane. If the outermost left-hand side lane is a bus lane, the driver shall keep close to the bus lane. Except following situations:a. there is obstruction on the road b. the road is prescribed as one-way c. it is necessary to enter the correct lane upon approaching a junctiond. when overtaking another vehiclee. when driving faster than vehicles in the left-hand side lane. Although its not clearly stated in Thailands Road Traffic Act, this regulation is clearly for moving highways not within city and town limits where there is queued flowing traffic. That said - using the law exactly as you quoted: the Motorcycle was travelling faster than and passing the slower (hesitant) SUV and thus had every legal right to be in that lane. According to regulation 34, a, d, and e - the motorcyclist had every right to be holding that position on the road when passing the slower SUV as it slowed, hesitated, remained left... and then swung out without signal making an illegal U-turn over hashed lines at a junction. The SUV 100% at fault and any negative legal bias which could be directed towards the motorcyclist is easily countered. Thus JeffersLos - you couldn’t be more wrong in your claim that the motorcyclist was in the wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeffersLos Posted October 19, 2022 Share Posted October 19, 2022 1 hour ago, richard_smith237 said: Thats for highway driving It is for all roads. From single lane, to those with 2 or more lanes. You couldn't be more wrong. 37 minutes ago, JeffersLos said: Post up evidence that it is instead of lying. ???? Okay liar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richard_smith237 Posted October 19, 2022 Share Posted October 19, 2022 (edited) 23 minutes ago, JeffersLos said: It is for all roads. From single lane, to those with 2 or more lanes. You couldn't be more wrong. ???? Okay liar. Are you arguing that motorcycles are not permitted to be in any other lane than the left most lane ??? Then lane splitting would also be illegal in Thailand (its not). Section 34 covers that. There is no regulation which prevents a motorcycle from being in the middle lane or right most lane (or lane splitting between any of those lanes) when passing vehicles to the left which are slower. The reality is in slow moving city traffic the motorcyclist can ‘always’ pass the other traffic because lane splitting is legal in Thailand - thus the motorcyclist can be in the right-hand lane (city riding) or splitting the lane passing traffic to the left (and also to the right). When out in the highway in fast moving traffic, when there is no ‘queuing’ or slowly flowing traffic all traffic has to remain to the left lane unless passing, which is where section 35 comes into it. This is the difference between ‘city’ and ‘highway’ driving where these regulations come into effect. IF you are blaming the motorcyclist for being at fault in this accident then you are an utter danger to all those around you - the motorcyclist had exactly the same legal right to be in his position on the road as any other vehicle including a car. I hope you don’t drive or ride. Edited October 19, 2022 by richard_smith237 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeffersLos Posted October 19, 2022 Share Posted October 19, 2022 17 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said: There is no regulation which prevents a motorcycle from being in the middle lane or right most lane (or lane splitting between any of those lanes) when passing vehicles to the left which are slower. "The driver of a truck, passenger vehicle, motorcycle, vehicle of low speed or traveling at lower speed than those of other vehicles moving in the same direction, shall keep to the curbside of the roadway as close as possible.If such a roadway is divided into two or more traffic lanes in the same direction or has a bus lane specifically arranged on the left-hand side, the driver shall drive the vehicle in the outermost left-hand side lane or close to the bus lane, as the case may be." The driver of a motorcycle moving in the same direction, shall keep to the curbside of the roadway as close as possible. If such a roadway is divided into two or more traffic lanes, the driver shall drive the vehicle in the outermost left-hand side lane. Stop lying to people, Richard. You could get them fined, or worse. ???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richard_smith237 Posted October 19, 2022 Share Posted October 19, 2022 10 minutes ago, JeffersLos said: "The driver of a truck, passenger vehicle, motorcycle, vehicle of low speed or traveling at lower speed than those of other vehicles moving in the same direction, shall keep to the curbside of the roadway as close as possible.If such a roadway is divided into two or more traffic lanes in the same direction or has a bus lane specifically arranged on the left-hand side, the driver shall drive the vehicle in the outermost left-hand side lane or close to the bus lane, as the case may be." The driver of a motorcycle moving in the same direction, shall keep to the curbside of the roadway as close as possible. If such a roadway is divided into two or more traffic lanes, the driver shall drive the vehicle in the outermost left-hand side lane. Stop lying to people, Richard. You could get them fined, or worse. ???? You are blindly hanging on to section 35 without understanding section 34. Section 34 highlights vehicles can overtake slower vehicles in the left lane. Section 35 only points out slower vehicles must remain in the left lane. Land Traffic Act: http://web.krisdika.go.th/data/outsitedata/outsite21/file/Road_Traffic_Act_BE_2522_(1979).pdf Quote Section 34. In using the road which is divided into two or more lanes in the same direction or a bus lane is provided in the ultimate left lane, the driver must drive in the ultimate left lane or the lane next to bus lane, except in the following cases which the driver may drive in the right lane: (1) there is an obstruction in such lane, or it is not allowed to pass; (2) such road is determined by the traffic officer to be one way road; (3) it is required to get into the right lane when he or she reaches the area around a junction; (4) when the driver wants to overtake another conveyance; (5) when the driver drives faster than the conveyance driving in the left lane. Section 35. The conveyance driving slowly or slower than another conveyance driving in the same direction, the driver must drive as nearest to the left edge of the road as possible. The driver of a truck, passenger transport conveyance, or motorcycle driving on the road which is divided into two or more lanes in the same direction, or a bus lane is specifically provided in the left hand side, must drive in the ultimate left lane or the lane next to bus lane, as the case may be. The provisions of paragraph two shall not apply to a private transport vehicle weighing not exceeding one thousand and six hundred kilograms and a private vehicle under the law on vehicle. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeffersLos Posted October 19, 2022 Share Posted October 19, 2022 1 minute ago, richard_smith237 said: Section 35 only points out slower vehicles must remain in the left lane. Section 35 clearly states motorcycles. This is your quote. Quote Section 35. The driver of a truck, passenger transport conveyance, or motorcycle driving on the road which is divided into two or more lanes in the same direction, or a bus lane is specifically provided in the left hand side, must drive in the ultimate left lane or the lane next to bus lane, as the case may be. You are wrong. Stop freaking out about it and move on, Mr. Richard Wrong. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richard_smith237 Posted October 19, 2022 Share Posted October 19, 2022 24 minutes ago, JeffersLos said: Stop lying to people, Richard. You could get them fined, or worse. ???? With your (incorrect) understanding... no motorcycle, or truck, or passenger vehicle, or any private vehicle over 1600 kgs (that means most SUV’s) would be permitted outside of the left most lane and thus never able to overtake any slower vehicle... Section 35 simply serves to rule that all vehicles remain to the left when not passing. Section 34 clearly supersedes this. Clearly on city streets and in busy towns most vehicles are passing others, motorcycles are also ‘mostly’ passing, lane splitting etc and can travel in other lanes when passing !!! (which of course is most of the time in busy traffic). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richard_smith237 Posted October 19, 2022 Share Posted October 19, 2022 1 minute ago, JeffersLos said: 6 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said: Section 35 only points out slower vehicles must remain in the left lane. Section 35 clearly states motorcycles. This is your quote. Quote Section 35. The driver of a truck, passenger transport conveyance, or motorcycle driving on the road which is divided into two or more lanes in the same direction, or a bus lane is specifically provided in the left hand side, must drive in the ultimate left lane or the lane next to bus lane, as the case may be. You are wrong. Stop freaking out about it and move on, Mr. Richard Wrong. You are ignoring section 34 - this is why you are wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whaleboneman Posted October 19, 2022 Share Posted October 19, 2022 32 minutes ago, JeffersLos said: "The driver of a truck, passenger vehicle, motorcycle, vehicle of low speed or traveling at lower speed than those of other vehicles moving in the same direction, shall keep to the curbside of the roadway as close as possible.If such a roadway is divided into two or more traffic lanes in the same direction or has a bus lane specifically arranged on the left-hand side, the driver shall drive the vehicle in the outermost left-hand side lane or close to the bus lane, as the case may be." The driver of a motorcycle moving in the same direction, shall keep to the curbside of the roadway as close as possible. If such a roadway is divided into two or more traffic lanes, the driver shall drive the vehicle in the outermost left-hand side lane. Stop lying to people, Richard. You could get them fined, or worse. ???? So motorcy's can't make right turns then? You are misunderstanding your quote. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richard_smith237 Posted October 19, 2022 Share Posted October 19, 2022 Just now, whaleboneman said: So motorcy's can't make right turns then? You are misunderstanding your quote. He is also using his misunderstood regulation to imply the Motorcyclist who was hit by this illegally U-Turning SUV was also in the wrong and thus at fault for his accident..... not a very clever puppy... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbbbooboo Posted October 19, 2022 Share Posted October 19, 2022 Hmmm….the usual gold standards of Thai driving and Thai police ineptitude , we have all come to expect Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeffersLos Posted October 19, 2022 Share Posted October 19, 2022 29 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said: With your (incorrect) understanding... no motorcycle, or truck, or passenger vehicle, or any private vehicle over 1600 kgs (that means most SUV’s) would be permitted outside of the left most lane and thus never able to overtake any slower vehicle... Section 35 simply serves to rule that all vehicles remain to the left when not passing. Section 34 clearly supersedes this. Clearly on city streets and in busy towns most vehicles are passing others, motorcycles are also ‘mostly’ passing, lane splitting etc and can travel in other lanes when passing !!! (which of course is most of the time in busy traffic). You're still freaking out, Richard. Due to being wrong. As you quote: Quote Section 35. The driver of a truck, passenger transport conveyance, or motorcycle driving on the road which is divided into two or more lanes in the same direction, or a bus lane is specifically provided in the left hand side, must drive in the ultimate left lane or the lane next to bus lane, as the case may be. ???? Why are you still freaking out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richard_smith237 Posted October 19, 2022 Share Posted October 19, 2022 (edited) 29 minutes ago, JeffersLos said: You're still freaking out, Richard. Due to being wrong. As you quote: ???? Why are you still freaking out? Yawn...... motorcycles are not permitted to overtake then? Not allowed to get in the right hand lane to turn right ? Not allowed to pass a stationary vehicle in front of them? Not allowed to pass a slower vehicle ? Not allowed to get into the right hand lane to avoid an obstacle ? You’re on the wrong end of this one and making an utter t!t of yourself.... In accusing me of ‘freaking out’ you seem to be getting getting desperate because you can’t accept you made such a flawed interpretation of the regulations.... They’re pretty clear, motorcycles can be in a lane other than the left most lane under conditions highlighted in section 34..... You’ve clearly stuffed up but like a child lack the emotional tools to simply accept that. Edited October 19, 2022 by richard_smith237 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btwretail Posted October 19, 2022 Share Posted October 19, 2022 16 hours ago, webfact said: They reported the matter to the Nikhom Patana police who told them to go and get the licence plate themselves before they would investigate. LOL! Only in Thailand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiSePuede419 Posted October 19, 2022 Share Posted October 19, 2022 So, who won? The car or the motorcycle? ???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hotchilli Posted October 19, 2022 Share Posted October 19, 2022 18 hours ago, webfact said: They reported the matter to the Nikhom Patana police who told them to go and get the licence plate themselves before they would investigate. Typical plod inaction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reigntax Posted October 19, 2022 Share Posted October 19, 2022 Best just to assume and accept that every Thai driver is unaware of anyone else on the road, will ignore any road rules, take the most direct route unaware of the danger and then you don’t get surprised by their actions 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andygrr Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 Sometimes it's hard to get a plate number as people whitewash / paint over the plate. This is very common on cars that come up from Bangkok. Don't know why the police allow this. I have been stopped and checked by police for nothing when the car in front has had a painted-out numberplate and nothing was said to them. This activity needs to be stopped. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeffersLos Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 10 hours ago, richard_smith237 said: Yawn...... motorcycles are not permitted to overtake then? Not allowed to get in the right hand lane to turn right ? Not allowed to pass a stationary vehicle in front of them? Not allowed to pass a slower vehicle ? Not allowed to get into the right hand lane to avoid an obstacle ? You’re on the wrong end of this one and making an utter t!t of yourself.... In accusing me of ‘freaking out’ you seem to be getting getting desperate because you can’t accept you made such a flawed interpretation of the regulations.... They’re pretty clear, motorcycles can be in a lane other than the left most lane under conditions highlighted in section 34..... You’ve clearly stuffed up but like a child lack the emotional tools to simply accept that. You're still freaking out about being wrong. 7 hours ago, SiSePuede419 said: So, who won? The car or the motorcycle? ???? The motorcycle was in the wrong lane, so ..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richard_smith237 Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 47 minutes ago, JeffersLos said: You're still freaking out about being wrong. The motorcycle was in the wrong lane, so ..... WRONG - you have blindly ignored section 34 of the land traffic act and continue to focus only on section 35.... this is why you are wrong. You are implying it is illegal for a motorcycle to pass another vehicle on a multi-lane road - you are wrong. Section 34 and 35 of the land traffic act is there for anyone to read (links posted in earlier posts).... Quote Section 34. In using the road which is divided into two or more lanes in the same direction or a bus lane is provided in the ultimate left lane, the driver must drive in the ultimate left lane or the lane next to bus lane, except in the following cases which the driver may drive in the right lane: (1) there is an obstruction in such lane, or it is not allowed to pass; (2) such road is determined by the traffic officer to be one way road; (3) it is required to get into the right lane when he or she reaches the area around a junction; (4) when the driver wants to overtake another conveyance; (5) when the driver drives faster than the conveyance driving in the left lane. Section 35. The conveyance driving slowly or slower than another conveyance driving in the same direction, the driver must drive as nearest to the left edge of the road as possible. The driver of a truck, passenger transport conveyance, or motorcycle driving on the road which is divided into two or more lanes in the same direction, or a bus lane is specifically provided in the left hand side, must drive in the ultimate left lane or the lane next to bus lane, as the case may be. The provisions of paragraph two shall not apply to a private transport vehicle weighing not exceeding one thousand and six hundred kilograms and a private vehicle under the law on vehicle. Land Traffic Act: http://web.krisdika.go.th/data/outsitedata/outsite21/file/Road_Traffic_Act_BE_2522_(1979).pdf 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeffersLos Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 41 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said: the land traffic act I don't know why you're freaking out about being wrong. Quote motorcycle driving on the road which is divided into two or more lanes in the same direction, must drive in the ultimate left lane Stop lying to people and risking them fines or worse. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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