23 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Do you mean the next elections (2024) or the elections after the next elections ?

2024 for the time being

Biden's highest responsibility, as president, is to protect the country and its Constitution, institutions and people.

 

If he sees a real threat to those things including the U.S. system of democracy -- as evidenced by the election denyers and insurrectionists and would-be election stealers -- then he'd be failing in his responsibility as president to not warn against such things.

 

I'd rather a president who tells the truth, much more often than Trump, as opposed to telling people what he thinks they want to hear or making up unsubstantiated rubbish, as often was Trump's custom.

 

1 minute ago, candide said:

2024 for the time being

What if they also won the 2024 election ?

1 minute ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

Biden's highest responsibility, as president, is to protect the country and its Constitution, institutions and people.

 

If he sees a real threat to those things including the U.S. system of democracy

 

Wouldn't banning a candidate actually be a threat to democracy ?

Just now, Mac Mickmanus said:

What if they also won the 2024 election ?

That was not my point and you know it

1 minute ago, candide said:

That was not my point and you know it

You point was that people shouldn't vote for the Republicans , because they could try and overturn the election result.......................if they won????

3 hours ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

My memory isn't too good .

Did the Dems happily accept Donald Trump as POTUS when he was elected ?

   Did they go along with his Presidency for four years with no civil disorder or Court cases trying to over turn the vote or anything like that ?

Did they try to overturn the vote?

7 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

'd rather a president who tells the truth, much more often than Trump, as opposed to telling people what he thinks they want to hear or making up unsubstantiated rubbish, as often was Trump's custom.

You suggesting Biden "tells the truth"?

Just now, candide said:

Did they try to overturn the vote?

Well , they suspected fraudulent activities had occurred and they wanted an investigation to make sure the vote was fair .

   Point being they could try and overturn any future elections results if they have the suspicion that irregularities occurred , regardless whether they won or not  

1 minute ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

You point was that people shouldn't vote for the Republicans , because they could try and overturn the election result.......................if they won????

My point, which you perfectly understood, was that if election deniers and/or who have been ok to overturn election results are elected in 2022, they will be in a position to overturn the next elections (ex 2024). They may refuse to certify elections, etc...

6 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Well , they suspected fraudulent activities had occurred and they wanted an investigation to make sure the vote was fair .

   Point being they could try and overturn any future elections results if they have the suspicion that irregularities occurred , regardless whether they won or not  

To which post are you replying?

23 minutes ago, banjobob said:

You suggesting Biden "tells the truth"?

As I said in my prior post, more than Trump, yes, indisputably.

 

A reported baiting post and two ensuing replies have been removed.

 

7 hours ago, Hanaguma said:

Perhaps that is because the press is the friend of the Democratic Party. 

Not if you are smart enough to recognize and reject the fact-lite/opinion-heavy pundit program nonsense that too many people think is news.  I suggest reading reputable news sources.

Some more background about what's at stake in Arizona and thus the nation explaining Obama focusing on it.

 

 

I'm glad some of us are so confident in their double-standards to post with such transparent hypocrisy.

 

I'm somewhat shocked that last bit in blue wasn't edited out from the quotes! I mean, it just doesn't 100% fit with the bit before and after the quotes does it? ^_^

34 minutes ago, Atlantis said:

I'm glad some of us are so confident in their double-standards to post with such transparent hypocrisy.

 

I'm somewhat shocked that last bit in blue wasn't edited out from the quotes! I mean, it just doesn't 100% fit with the bit before and after the quotes does it? ^_^

You don't know the difference between 41% and 23%?

19 hours ago, Eric Loh said:

Digressing much. It's ok if you have have no relevant response to my post. 

I thought your post is nonsense. You have no way of knowing that the thousands that went to demonstrate intended to have a coup. You didn't even support that supposition with a link.

19 hours ago, Eric Loh said:

Trump will reveal his involvement when he testify under oath to the Jan 6 committee. Just appear and state the fact that he has no part in the insurrection. . 

LOL. It's likely that after the 8th there will be no Jan 6 committee, ergo no need to testify to anything.

18 hours ago, LosLobo said:

I suggest that you are being disingenuous by mis-characterizing the Jan 6th to suit the Republican narrative.  It was not a tourist event, a protest or at worse a riot. You are trying to change the meaning of insurrection, and also by saying that it was not a coup you are trying to further confuse the issue.

 

Perhaps we need to visit the facts.

 

The official democratic assertion is that the Jan. 6 insurrection was the 'culmination of an attempted coup'. 

 

 Bennie Thompson says Jan. 6 was 'culmination of an ... - NPR 

 

Definition of an insurrection is "an act or instance of revolting against civil authority or an established government.

 

It does not need guns or to succeed to be true.

 

Insurrection Definition & Meaning - Merriam-Webster

 

Definition of a coup is "a sudden decisive exercise of force in politics and especially the violent overthrow or alteration of an existing government".

 

This event was never described as a "coup" but an "attempted coup". Why waste everyone's time on this?

 

Coup Definition & Meaning - Merriam-Webster

 

QED

Sounds like a conspiracy theory to me.

Had Trump said anything along the lines of "break into the Capitol building, hang the government and escort me in to become a dictator" he'd be in a federal jail already.

17 hours ago, Hanaguma said:

Biden and the Democrats failed in their attempt to push January 6 as an election issue.  They are just realizing it now but far too late in the campaign. 

and lucky for the GOP. Given how close the polls are, they might have had a chance if they stuck to what the populace care about.

3 days to go!

17 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

You'll find the only people keeping the lie going on a daily basis despite 64 court cases showing no evidence are Trump, MAGA. QAnon and conspiracy theorists. For Biden to bring up his suggestion that voting for Republicans is a threat to democracy is more than appropriate.

Just keep telling yourself that after the GOP takes the house ( hopefully ), and all those "get Trump" committees go away.

7 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Sounds like a conspiracy theory to me.

Had Trump said anything along the lines of "break into the Capitol building, hang the government and escort me in to become a dictator" he'd be in a federal jail already.

But he didn't say that did he. He said the complete opposite of that. Did he not say "make your voices heard peacefully and patriotically"? Yes, that is what he really said. People going so far as to falsely state in posts above that it is a FACT that Trump ordered riots and insurrection and a coup. Pure farce, and misinformation to the extreme.

 The Jan 6th narrative the democrats are using is as factual and honest as the one about that guy that got lynched and bleached outside a Chicago Subway shop in an arctic freeze. I look forward to a return to reality based politics and to get to the bottom of 4 years of political violence and repeated false flag ops. Oh, and an end to bidens hate and fake divisive narratives too.

16 hours ago, pomchop said:

so the next time somebody sprays you  repeatedly with bear spray or pepper spray or tries to kick you in the head be sure and tell them that u don't see any weapons so go right ahead and spray and bash away..maybe u should look up the definition of coup

Having been involved with Thailand for decades I know very well what a coup is. It's not a demonstration followed by a riot.

The lack of any military involvement on the side of those accused of fomenting a coup would be significant, would you not agree?

2 minutes ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

But he didn't say that did he. He said the complete opposite of that. Did he not say "make your voices heard peacefully and patriotically"? Yes, that is what he really said. People going so far as to falsely state in posts above that it is a FACT that Trump ordered riots and insurrection and a coup. Pure farce, and misinformation to the extreme.

 The Jan 6th narrative the democrats are using is as factual and honest as the one about that guy that got lynched and bleached outside a Chicago Subway shop in an arctic freeze. I look forward to a return to reality based politics and to get to the bottom of 4 years of political violence and repeated false flag ops. Oh, and an end to bidens hate and fake divisive narratives too.

It's apparently only misinformation if it's the "wrong" side saying it. On the "right" side everything they say is truthful. LOL.

57 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Just keep telling yourself that after the GOP takes the house ( hopefully ), and all those "get Trump" committees go away.

My post was not about committees. It was about the 64 court cases proving there was no evidence of election fraud. No matter who wins the house that is history and will not go away.

58 minutes ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

But he didn't say that did he. He said the complete opposite of that. Did he not say "make your voices heard peacefully and patriotically"? Yes, that is what he really said. People going so far as to falsely state in posts above that it is a FACT that Trump ordered riots and insurrection and a coup. Pure farce, and misinformation to the extreme.

 The Jan 6th narrative the democrats are using is as factual and honest as the one about that guy that got lynched and bleached outside a Chicago Subway shop in an arctic freeze. I look forward to a return to reality based politics and to get to the bottom of 4 years of political violence and repeated false flag ops. Oh, and an end to bidens hate and fake divisive narratives too.

Your right, he did say ""make your voices heard peacefully and patriotically" the article quote below also makes it clear what else he said:

 

"THE FACTS: Trump’s speech was a call to action — a call to fight and save the country."

“Our country has had enough,” he told those who went on to stage the violent siege of the Capitol. “We will not take it anymore and that’s what this is all about. To use a favorite term that all of you people really came up with, we will stop the steal.”

“We fight like hell and if you don’t fight like hell, you’re not going to have a country anymore.”

 

https://apnews.com/article/fact-check-trump-us-capitol-remarks-221518bc174f9bc3dd6e108e653ed08d

4 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Your right, he did say ""make your voices heard peacefully and patriotically" the article quote below also makes it clear what else he said:

 

"THE FACTS: Trump’s speech was a call to action — a call to fight and save the country."

“Our country has had enough,” he told those who went on to stage the violent siege of the Capitol. “We will not take it anymore and that’s what this is all about. To use a favorite term that all of you people really came up with, we will stop the steal.”

“We fight like hell and if you don’t fight like hell, you’re not going to have a country anymore.”

 

https://apnews.com/article/fact-check-trump-us-capitol-remarks-221518bc174f9bc3dd6e108e653ed08d

Odd how when using the term Fight like hell by the democrats it's OK, but when Trump said it he threatened our democracy.

11 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

Odd how when using the term Fight like hell by the democrats it's OK, but when Trump said it he threatened our democracy.

My post was in response to a claim I was making a false statement. It was not false.

 

Please add context to your separate claim with a link, what else was said? What happened after the speech, did an attack on Capitol Hill happen?

2 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

My post was in response to a claim I was making a false statement. It was not false.

 

Please add context to your separate claim with a link, what else was said? What happened after the speech, did an attack on Capitol Hill happen?

It was a false statement. Every time you make it again in the future, it will be a false statement.

 

"THE FACTS: Trump’s speech was a call to action"

 

That is an opinion, not borne from factual evidence or the speech that Trump made where he told his followers to be PEACEFUL.

 

If you want to get outraged by calls to violence, which were promptly acted out might I suggest your very own Schumer?

"“I want to tell you Gorsuch. I want to tell you Kavanaugh. You have released the whirlwind and you will pay the price. You won’t know what hit you if you go forward with these awful decisions.”

https://www.vox.com/2020/3/5/21165479/chuck-schumer-neil-gorsuch-brett-kavanaugh-supreme-court-whirlwind-threat

 

which led to an assassination attempt on Judge Kavanaugh, just like Schumer threatened. Yikes!

"Epic fail: Media apathy on attempted Kavanaugh murder shameful"

https://thehill.com/opinion/judiciary/3523618-epic-fail-media-apathy-on-attempted-kavanaugh-murder-shameful/

 

Of course there will be no outrage from you over a REAL threat which was attempted to be carried out. Why is that now? Why does Biden not mention this very real threat to democracy from his own party?