Why is the UK struggling more than other countries?

[nauseus]

1 hour ago, placeholder said:

Yes, the EU is collapsing. And Jesus is coming any day now.

Both would be a Godsend. Amen.

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5 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Like, you don't often hear people in the U.K discussing whether Thailand should be a member of ASEAN or not 

Do I really have to point out to you why the situations are not analogous?

[nauseus]

55 minutes ago, 3NUMBAS said:

should never have skewered boris now they face turmoil for years .he was competant but a pi$$ head ,he may be back some time tho

Maybe with Jesus as a mentor? 

[nauseus]

47 minutes ago, RayC said:

How's that going? Maybe it passed me by but the US, India, China, etc. don't seem to be in any great rush to sign any deals.

 

In the meantime, the UK economy continues to contract by 4% pa as a result of Brexit.

 

Looks like the wrong choice was made.

Back to all due to Brexit again eh Ray? 

[nauseus]

44 minutes ago, RayC said:

And the current one's an improvement? How exactly?

Not really - this one sucks too.

Edited December 10, 2022 by nauseus

[Mac Mickmanus]

2 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Do I really have to point out to you why the situations are not analogous?

I would prefer it if you'd explain why E.U citizens who live in Thailand are so concerned about the U.K's membership of the E.U

[placeholder]

5 minutes ago, nauseus said:

You tell me all these "leaders" did claim that the UK would make great trade agreements outside the EU.

 

You should have just said huge countries. Much more accurate. 

I was listing the EU as one of three. The EU is not a country. So I needed to find a word that would accurately encompass them all.

[nauseus]

41 minutes ago, RayC said:

Perhaps the Thai based Brexiters should return to the UK to help  build this 'New Jerusalem'.

I have nothing better to do, so, especially as Jesus is on his way down to help, I accept. 

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3 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

I would prefer it if you'd explain why E.U citizens who live in Thailand are so concerned about the U.K's membership of the E.U

I preferred if you stick to the issues, rather than pester me with your fake solicitude.

[nauseus]

33 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

I have often wondered why Brits living in Thailand are so concerned about the U.K being in/out the E.U as it has no effect on them and I wonder even more why E.U citizens living in Thailand are also interested in whether the U.K is a member of the E.U or not 

Let me know if you come up with an answer.

[nauseus]

34 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

That’s the problem with being desperate for any kind of trade deal, having voluntarily dumped the best deal on the planet.

Not so. Too many political conditions attached. 

[nauseus]

33 minutes ago, RayC said:

There is no evidence that the UK was oppressed while it was a member of the EU.

 

We are now able to overturn the 3% of European law which we were forced to implement against our will. Hallelujah!

 

More likely it will be a Cayman Islands type approach where money launderers, criminals and despots can happily hide their assets, very few questions asked.

 

Now that's something to be proud of.

Same old nonsense. I'm sure you'll keep it up.

[nauseus]

9 minutes ago, placeholder said:

I was listing the EU as one of three. The EU is not a country. So I needed to find a word that would accurately encompass them all.

Why? They're different. That's cheating.

[nauseus]

7 minutes ago, placeholder said:

I preferred if you stick to the issues, rather than pester me with your fake solicitude.

Pester me? Cracker. Ha ha ha.

[Mac Mickmanus]

11 minutes ago, nauseus said:

Let me know if you come up with an answer.

I have put the question out there , just waiting for a response

[Chomper Higgot]

27 minutes ago, nauseus said:

Not so. Too many political conditions attached. 

Meanwhile the US and India are following Australia’s lead and sticking it to the needy UK.

[Mac Mickmanus]

Australia seen rather pleased with a trade deal with the UK and India 

 

22 November 2022

 

Trade deals with India and the UK have passed Parliament

 

 

Australian exporters, businesses, workers and consumers will soon be able to reap the opportunities and benefits of more open trade with India and the United Kingdom with today’s passage of implementing legislation through the Parliament. 

 

The Australia-United Kingdom Free Trade Agreement (A-UKFTA) is the first full trade agreement the UK negotiated from scratch following Brexit. The A-UKFTA will deepen our already strong economic relationship with the UK and offer greater opportunities for our businesses to diversify their trade markets.

 

 

https://www.trademinister.gov.au/minister/don-farrell/media-release/trade-deals-india-and-uk-have-passed-parliament

[Chomper Higgot]

23 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Australia seen rather pleased with a trade deal with the UK and India 

 

22 November 2022

 

Trade deals with India and the UK have passed Parliament

 

 

Australian exporters, businesses, workers and consumers will soon be able to reap the opportunities and benefits of more open trade with India and the United Kingdom with today’s passage of implementing legislation through the Parliament. 

 

The Australia-United Kingdom Free Trade Agreement (A-UKFTA) is the first full trade agreement the UK negotiated from scratch following Brexit. The A-UKFTA will deepen our already strong economic relationship with the UK and offer greater opportunities for our businesses to diversify their trade markets.

 

 

https://www.trademinister.gov.au/minister/don-farrell/media-release/trade-deals-india-and-uk-have-passed-parliament

Of course Australia are please, they gave almost zero and got everything they asked for. 
 

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-63627801

[candide]

23 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Australia seen rather pleased with a trade deal with the UK and India 

 

22 November 2022

 

Trade deals with India and the UK have passed Parliament

 

 

Australian exporters, businesses, workers and consumers will soon be able to reap the opportunities and benefits of more open trade with India and the United Kingdom with today’s passage of implementing legislation through the Parliament. 

 

The Australia-United Kingdom Free Trade Agreement (A-UKFTA) is the first full trade agreement the UK negotiated from scratch following Brexit. The A-UKFTA will deepen our already strong economic relationship with the UK and offer greater opportunities for our businesses to diversify their trade markets.

 

 

https://www.trademinister.gov.au/minister/don-farrell/media-release/trade-deals-india-and-uk-have-passed-parliament

That's great for Australia, sure!

 

What about UK?

"The Government’s Impact Assessment estimates that the long-run effect of the agreement will be to increase UK GDP by 0.08% or £2.3 billion a year by 2035" ????

https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cbp-9484/

[RayC]

2 hours ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Like, you don't often hear people in the U.K discussing whether Thailand should be a member of ASEAN or not 

Would you know if ex-pat Thais in the UK were discussing Thailand's role in ASEAN if they were speaking in Thai?

[RayC]

2 hours ago, nauseus said:

Same old nonsense. I'm sure you'll keep it up.

Were you looking in the mirror and mouthing those words as you wrote them? I couldn't have put it better myself.

 

Any chance of you supplying examples of the EU's vindictiveness and these unacceptable political conditions which you claim were attached to May's deals? Rhetorical question. I know that the answer's 'No'.

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[RayC]

2 hours ago, nauseus said:

Why should the UK worry about retribution now? We've been suffering it anyway for 6 years.

Your hero, Johnson, signed the deal. He could have walked away if it was unacceptable.

 

However, no point expecting a Johnson apologist to take any accountability or responsibility for the mess that Johnson and the Flat Earthers created.

[RayC]

2 hours ago, nauseus said:

Back to all due to Brexit again eh Ray? 

No, Nauseus. 

 

I'm merely pointing out the fact that all these marvelous free trade deals, and other assorted benefits, that we were promised would be forthcoming once we free from the shackles and tyranny of the dastardly EU have failed to materialise. 

[Mac Mickmanus]

2 minutes ago, RayC said:

No, Nauseus. 

 

I'm merely pointing out the fact that all these marvelous free trade deals, and other assorted benefits, that we were promised would be forthcoming once we free from the shackles and tyranny of the dastardly EU have failed to materialise. 

They were NOT promises though .

They were predictions about how future trade deals would progress and common sense tells us that predictions are not promises 

[Bluespunk]

3 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

They were NOT promises though .

They were predictions about how future trade deals would progress and common sense tells us that predictions are not promises 

Yeah right…

[kwilco]

Just the tip of the iceberg…….

London School of economics has been doing research into the effects of Brexit on food prices – apparently Brexit added almost £6bn to UK food bills in the two years to the end of 2021, affecting poorest households the most, research has found. The cost of food imported from the EU shot up because of extra red tape, adding £210 to the average household food bills over 2020 and 2021,

 

https://www.lse.ac.uk/News/Latest-news-from-LSE/2022/l-December-22/By-the-end-of-2021-Brexit-had-already-cost-UK-households-a-total-of-5.8-billion-in-higher-food-bills-%E2%80%93-new-LSE-research#:~:text=%E2%80%9CWe%20calculate%20that%20Brexit%20caused,%2C%20they%20are%20hit%20harder.%E2%80%9D

 

[nauseus]

1 hour ago, RayC said:

Were you looking in the mirror and mouthing those words as you wrote them? I couldn't have put it better myself.

 

Any chance of you supplying examples of the EU's vindictiveness and these unacceptable political conditions which you claim were attached to May's deals? Rhetorical question. I know that the answer's 'No'.

Reflection has its merits.

[nauseus]

1 hour ago, RayC said:

No, Nauseus. 

 

I'm merely pointing out the fact that all these marvelous free trade deals, and other assorted benefits, that we were promised would be forthcoming once we free from the shackles and tyranny of the dastardly EU have failed to materialise. 

You were around years ago when this fantasy was argued extensively - I'm not going back - I'll leave you to continue with the gravedigging.

[josephbloggs]

4 hours ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Don't worry, we will get by and make the best out of the situation .

   Life is about moving on and moving forward, rather than  looking back and analysis what you could have done (differently) 

Again, another ridiculous and defeatist comment. It is like my young kids who - when I pull them up for something they have done - reply, "we shouldn't talk about the past".  Er....yes we should because you did something wrong in the past and we should talk about it and you should be accountable for it.

Or you are saying we should be able to s**t on our own front lawn (and all our neighbours' lawns) but then just make the best of the situation and not discuss it or hold anyone accountable? Even though we were told that s**tting on our lawn would be bringing back the glory days but that turned out to be a lie.  Because, you know, life is about moving on....

I have to say RayC has very patiently and eloquently responded to everyone in this thread with good logic and good grace. The only replies I have read from Brexiteers is "stop going on about it" or cliches like "faceless EU bureaucrats", "EU mafia" or other ridiculous terms like "free of their yoke" without giving a single example of why they are a mafia, what yoke they had, or why their civil servants are any different to our own (and the UK has about 10-12 times as many as the EU even though we have a fraction of the population).