Why is the UK struggling more than other countries?

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3 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

I really do think that I am in a better position to comment on the economic effects , rather than people who just cherry pick facts and figures and use those figures to form an opinion , for example people who quote a surge in immigration to the UK and then claim Brexit has failed to control UK's borders .

    Well of course there's going to be a surge in people applying for visas for the UK , because prior to Brexit they didn't need to apply for UK visas 

What is there in your comment about the visa situation that shows the importance of living in the UK to understand why it's come about? You've just given an example that shows why it doesn't matter at all.

[Mac Mickmanus]

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What is there in your comment about the visa situation that shows the importance of living in the UK to understand why it's come about? You've just given an example that shows why it doesn't matter at all.

Point being that I can personally see that there hasn't been a surge in immigration to the UK , others who just read sensationalist headlines in biased news reports will not know that 

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1 hour ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Look , although this is a public forum, I was actually replying to someone else and that person claimed that I have a "limited knowledge" of Brexit and its aftermath and I was just pointing out that I am living with it , rather than commenting from the other side of the World and may not even have been to the U.K post Brexit .

   Its rather like spectators watching a football match from the stands  and shouting at the players and telling them what to do, where they are going wrong and what they should be doing .

Well, your analogy about the football players and the spectators shows how you fundamentally misunderstand your position. The analagous players on the field aren't private citizens. They're the people who set policy. Who legislate. Unless you are one of those people, you are just as much a spectator as anyone else not involved in the decision making. no matter where they are physically located.

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1 minute ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Point being that I can personally see that there hasn't been a surge in immigration to the UK , others who just read sensationalist headlines in biased news reports will not know that 

More nonsense from you. Those claims were made by people who were calling asylum seekers immigrants. The definition of an immigrant is:  a person who comes to live permanently in a foreign country.

https://www.google.com/search?q=immigrant&oq=immigrant&aqs=chrome..69i57j69i61j69i65l3.1818j0j9&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

But even if one accepts the assertion that they got it wrong, how does their misuse of nomenclature derive from where they are physically located?

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17 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Point being that I can personally see that there hasn't been a surge in immigration to the UK , others who just read sensationalist headlines in biased news reports will not know that 

The more I think about your claim, the more absurd it turns out to be. How could you tell that there hasn't been a surge? Can you infallibly tell who is an immigrant by looking at them? The percentage of immigrants as a share of the population does keep rising. If there was a surge, how would you know? Compared the number of previous arrivals, what would the percentage of surgers be? Maybe immigrants to the UK all wear placards that reveal the year that they immigrated? So you just take your clicker with you and patrol a statistically randomized collection of neighborhoods to gather your data?

 

[Bluespunk]

28 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Point being that I can personally see that there hasn't been a surge in immigration to the UK , others who just read sensationalist headlines in biased news reports will not know that 

Ludicrous “reasoning “. 

[Scott]

Troll post reported and removed. 

 

[kwilco]

Another “Brexit benefit” - Airports boss Charlie Cornish said in November that Brexit has harmed UK aviation sector and its ability to recruit workers and has “massively exacerbated” (his words) worker shortages. The shortage of frontline staff caused queues and chaos in UK airports in the short meant that they were unable to deal with the sudden increase of passengers after Covid.

This sudden shortage of labour has meant that although immigration from EU is down it is up from elsewhere – e,g, importing Doctors from Nigeria instead.

 

All leading economists will tell you that the damage is real. The rate of growth i.e recession is unique to the UK. The single issue Brexit government has no idea how to get growth to return.

 

Whilst other factors such as Covid had structurally altered the labour forces in all EU countries, the problems in UK are exacerbated by fewer Europeans coming back into the UK. “This damages the UK’s ability to recruit workforce. Pre-Brexit, this problem was didn’t exist.

Economic recovery in the EU, is much further ahead than that of the UK. You can’t argue that this suddenly appeared from nowhere and has nothing to do with Brexit going to be able to say that’s not due to Brexit.

[thaibeachlovers]

7 hours ago, RayC said:

My experience and opinion are the complete opposite to yours. 

 

You also seem to be implying that some individual's comments should carry more weight than others? In 2016 I was living and working in Brussels. The effect on me and my family was felt almost immediately, not least because of the uncertainty. Does my opinion count for more than yours?

 

Nb. Before anyone asks. No, neither me nor any one in my family, ever worked directly or indirectly for any of the EU institutions.

 

Nbb. The financial cost of providing for illegal immigrants is almost entirely borne by the Home Office. Although it may put an additional strain on local services, imo it's not much of a justification for council tax rises.

Like any British expat that chose to live in Thailand, it was surely your choice not to live in the UK, and therefore must accept that life does not always go the way we want if we choose to live in a foreign country.

[RayC]

54 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Like any British expat that chose to live in Thailand, it was surely your choice not to live in the UK, and therefore must accept that life does not always go the way we want if we choose to live in a foreign country.

I'm puzzled by your reply as I've not mentioned that I lived in Thailand (Actually I did for 6 years but I left in '98). At the time of the Brexit referendum, I was living in Brussels. 

 

Life doesn't always go the way we want - irrespective of where we live - but I think that I should have been given the chance to have a say in a one-off vote on an individual issue which directly affected me.

[thaibeachlovers]

39 minutes ago, RayC said:

I'm puzzled by your reply as I've not mentioned that I lived in Thailand (Actually I did for 6 years but I left in '98). At the time of the Brexit referendum, I was living in Brussels. 

 

Life doesn't always go the way we want - irrespective of where we live - but I think that I should have been given the chance to have a say in a one-off vote on an individual issue which directly affected me.

I never said you did live in Thailand. That was a comparison.

[Chomper Higgot]

9 hours ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Yes, I am giving my personal opinion about life in the U.K post Brexit , the reason why many other posters on here cannot do likewise is because they haven't even been to the U.K post Brexit

I’ve been, I had real close look and I’ll be going back for another close look in mid January.

 

I look forward to sharing my experiences of Post Brexit Britain in the middle of winter.

 

More precisely, I’ll be getting a close up look at the Post Brexit NHS in the middle of winter, I’ll definitely report on what I see there.

 

 

 

[Hummin]

3 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

I’ve been, I had real close look and I’ll be going back for another close look in mid January.

 

I look forward to sharing my experiences of Post Brexit Britain in the middle of winter.

 

More precisely, I’ll be getting a close up look at the Post Brexit NHS in the middle of winter, I’ll definitely report on what I see there.

 

 

 

So many things happening at the same time, and impossible to claim this is because of Brexit or not! 

 

Britain never really was in Eu at the same terms as Germany and France, Spain or every other country who adopted to euro! Uk was an outsider in Eu.

[Chomper Higgot]

1 minute ago, Hummin said:

So many things happening at the same time, and impossible to claim this is because of Brexit or not! 

 

Britain never really was in Eu at the same terms as Germany and France, Spain or every other country who adopted to euro! Uk was an outsider in Eu.

If you read my post I was responding to MicMac’s comment that others ‘haven’t even been to the UK post Brexit’.

 

I’ve been, and I’m about to go again.

 

I’ll have a keen eye looking out for ‘Sunlit Uplands’ 

 

 

[Mac Mickmanus]

4 minutes ago, Hummin said:

So many things happening at the same time, and impossible to claim this is because of Brexit or not! 

 

Britain never really was in Eu at the same terms as Germany and France, Spain or every other country who adopted to euro! Uk was an outsider in Eu.

Historically, its been Germanys aim to reign supreme in a united Europe with them dominating , the U.K has fought against that , France and Spain historically hasn't been opposed to that in the same degree that the U.K has   .

[Chomper Higgot]

Just now, Mac Mickmanus said:

Historically, its been Germanys aim to reign supreme in a united Europe with them dominating , the U.K has fought against that , France and Spain historically hasn't been opposed to that in the same degree that the U.K has   .

Once again, I observe the product of a surfeit of black and white war movies.

 

The dominance battle being fought right now is economic, the fight is between three massive economies, the U.S., China and the EU.

 

 

Luckily the UK has cornered the Turnip market.

 

[Hummin]

13 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Historically, its been Germanys aim to reign supreme in a united Europe with them dominating , the U.K has fought against that , France and Spain historically hasn't been opposed to that in the same degree that the U.K has   .

Historical I guess both countries have been deleted with childish Kingdoms and empires with pride and ego for to to long. Eu have been a nice time out for almost 70 years now. 

[Mac Mickmanus]

18 minutes ago, Hummin said:

Historical I guess both countries have been deleted with childish Kingdoms and empires with pride and ego for to to long. Eu have been a nice time out for almost 70 years now. 

European Nationalism, Socialism , European National Socialism  

Far Right attempted coups in the USA , Germany , Ukraine and Russian far right groups fighting for Russia .

   The U.K really needs to keep its independence 

[Hummin]

3 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

European Nationalism, Socialism , European National Socialism  

Far Right attempted coups in the USA , Germany , Ukraine and Russian far right groups fighting for Russia .

   The U.K really needs to keep its independence 

Do not let the beast loose!

[Chomper Higgot]

23 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

European Nationalism, Socialism , European National Socialism  

Far Right attempted coups in the USA , Germany , Ukraine and Russian far right groups fighting for Russia .

   The U.K really needs to keep its independence 

Oddly you missed out the UK’s own extremists.

 

I wonder why?

[Kwasaki]

8 hours ago, kwilco said:

Another “Brexit benefit” - Airports boss Charlie Cornish said in November that Brexit has harmed UK aviation sector and its ability to recruit workers and has “massively exacerbated” (his words) worker shortages. The shortage of frontline staff caused queues and chaos in UK airports in the short meant that they were unable to deal with the sudden increase of passengers after Covid.

This sudden shortage of labour has meant that although immigration from EU is down it is up from elsewhere – e,g, importing Doctors from Nigeria instead.

 

All leading economists will tell you that the damage is real. The rate of growth i.e recession is unique to the UK. The single issue Brexit government has no idea how to get growth to return.

 

Whilst other factors such as Covid had structurally altered the labour forces in all EU countries, the problems in UK are exacerbated by fewer Europeans coming back into the UK. “This damages the UK’s ability to recruit workforce. Pre-Brexit, this problem was didn’t exist.

Economic recovery in the EU, is much further ahead than that of the UK. You can’t argue that this suddenly appeared from nowhere and has nothing to do with Brexit going to be able to say that’s not due to Brexit.

You believe airline boss how funny. No one wants low paid unreasonable work conditions from Charlie boy that's the reason for lack of staff.

[Bluespunk]

1 hour ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Oddly you missed out the UK’s own extremists.

 

I wonder why?

Too busy deflecting from fact they cannot refute negative economic effects of brexit by promoting self serving stereotypes. 

[Kwasaki]

3 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

I’ve been, I had real close look and I’ll be going back for another close look in mid January.

 

I look forward to sharing my experiences of Post Brexit Britain in the middle of winter.

 

More precisely, I’ll be getting a close up look at the Post Brexit NHS in the middle of winter, I’ll definitely report on what I see there.

 

All your see is picket lines I reckon. 

 

UK don't need the post office.

 

Railways only need drivers. 

 

NHS management has got to get it's act together to stop wasting money so it can be paid to others. 

 

Firemen, teachers etc etc etc will have to except what's offered if anything. 

[superal]

1 hour ago, Kwasaki said:

You believe airline boss how funny. No one wants low paid unreasonable work conditions from Charlie boy that's the reason for lack of staff.

The economic and GDP problems are , as we all know , not unique to the UK , they are a global problem which cannot be denied . Labour shortages are often caused by low pay which is evident by the amount of pay claims and strikes . When the UK was a E.U. member , low pay was welcomed by UK employers who took advantage of the free movement of foreign labour that were used to much lower pay than that within the UK . So the cheap labour has vanished and employers will have to get used to it . However the NHS nurses have a valid claim IMO .

The following is conjecture but this winter could have a profound effect on German production output if their gas reserves have high domestic needs , resulting in factory closures. 

The UK trade dilution with the E.U. , caused by Brexit , will be recovered under new agreements but there will not be a return to free labour movement .   

So the UK has pressed the re-set button and now the UK is work in progress . Recovery to growth may take time but the plan will be more straight forward as an independent nation as opposed to being under the governance of a staid , multi national club .

[Chomper Higgot]

1 hour ago, Kwasaki said:

All your see is picket lines I reckon. 

 

UK don't need the post office.

 

Railways only need drivers. 

 

NHS management has got to get it's act together to stop wasting money so it can be paid to others. 

 

Firemen, teachers etc etc etc will have to except what's offered if anything. 

I’ll let you know once I’m there.

[Kwasaki]

23 minutes ago, superal said:

The economic and GDP problems are , as we all know , not unique to the UK , they are a global problem which cannot be denied . Labour shortages are often caused by low pay which is evident by the amount of pay claims and strikes . When the UK was a E.U. member , low pay was welcomed by UK employers who took advantage of the free movement of foreign labour that were used to much lower pay than that within the UK . So the cheap labour has vanished and employers will have to get used to it . However the NHS nurses have a valid claim IMO .

The following is conjecture but this winter could have a profound effect on German production output if their gas reserves have high domestic needs , resulting in factory closures. 

The UK trade dilution with the E.U. , caused by Brexit , will be recovered under new agreements but there will not be a return to free labour movement .   

So the UK has pressed the re-set button and now the UK is work in progress . Recovery to growth may take time but the plan will be more straight forward as an independent nation as opposed to being under the governance of a staid , multi national club .

Thanks for your positive view.

 

[stevenl]

1 hour ago, superal said:

The economic and GDP problems are , as we all know , not unique to the UK , they are a global problem which cannot be denied . Labour shortages are often caused by low pay which is evident by the amount of pay claims and strikes . When the UK was a E.U. member , low pay was welcomed by UK employers who took advantage of the free movement of foreign labour that were used to much lower pay than that within the UK . So the cheap labour has vanished and employers will have to get used to it . However the NHS nurses have a valid claim IMO .

The following is conjecture but this winter could have a profound effect on German production output if their gas reserves have high domestic needs , resulting in factory closures. 

The UK trade dilution with the E.U. , caused by Brexit , will be recovered under new agreements but there will not be a return to free labour movement .   

So the UK has pressed the re-set button and now the UK is work in progress . Recovery to growth may take time but the plan will be more straight forward as an independent nation as opposed to being under the governance of a staid , multi national club .

Just a pity all the experts disagree with you.

[Chomper Higgot]

26 minutes ago, stevenl said:

Just a pity all the experts disagree with you.

And all the economic data.

[Chomper Higgot]

The UK currently has over ten million adults (age 16-64)  who are either unemployed (1.26 million) or economically inactive (8.9 million).

 

And it’s getting worse.

 

https://www.ons.gov.uk/employmentandlabourmarket/peopleinwork/employmentandemployeetypes/bulletins/employmentintheuk/november2022

 

https://www.ons.gov.uk/employmentandlabourmarket/peoplenotinwork

[Kwasaki]

5 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

The UK currently has over ten million adults (age 16-64)  who are either unemployed (1.26 million) or economically inactive (8.9 million).

 

And it’s getting worse.

 

https://www.ons.gov.uk/employmentandlabourmarket/peopleinwork/employmentandemployeetypes/bulletins/employmentintheuk/november2022

 

https://www.ons.gov.uk/employmentandlabourmarket/peoplenotinwork

A family on Social security can get more money than bothering to work. 

A bit on the black now and again.