Russia warns of ‘unpredictable consequences’ if US sends Patriot missiles to Ukraine

[rabas]

55 minutes ago, AndyFoxy said:

If the death of tyrants will give way to peace, then America needs to be got rid of as a tyrannical country.

You forget that the US was once under the heel of a great tyrant just like Ukraine is under Putin today, and like Ukraine, fought a bloody war of independence against a greater repressive force. Here is a small passage from the US Declaration of Independence referring to that tyrant:

 

"He has plundered our seas, ravaged our coasts, burnt our towns, and destroyed the lives of our people.  He is at this time transporting large Armies of foreign Mercenaries to complete the works of death, desolation, and tyranny, already begun with circumstances of Cruelty & Perfidy scarcely paralleled in the most barbarous ages, and totally unworthy the Head of a civilized nation."

 

Who today would not think this refers Putin's tyrannical war against Ukraine? If you really want to fight tyranny, which you don't, the world must start with Vladimir Putin. Free the Russian people!

 

https://www.ushistory.org/declaration/document/

[spidermike007]

Message to Vlad the madman. Invading foreign nations can lead to unpredictable consequences. Such as exposing your nation and your military as the broken down, hapless, weak, anemic, sorry, backward, highly incapable nation it really is, and exposing yourself as an unhinged, serial killing, genocidal, power hungry despot dictator. 

Edited December 16, 2022 by spidermike007

[hotchilli]

8 hours ago, Scott said:

Russia hit back at reports that the U.S. is poised to send the Patriot air defense system to Ukraine, calling it a “provocative” move that “can lead to unpredictable consequences.”

Threats.. nothing more.

[spidermike007]

Hey Vlad. We all know you are very self conscious of your lack of height. And that may be a contributing factor to your level of meanness, nastiness, warmongering, and dissatisfaction with your self and your life. But, that is no excuse for your bullying. Many bullies meet a cruel end. We can only hope. 

[AndyFoxy]

8 minutes ago, candide said:

However, it's not an excuse for what Putin is doing.

Vlad isn't doing it because the US has done it in the past. That's fairly obvious.

[billd766]

4 hours ago, vandeventer said:

Seeing that neither side wants to talk the Patriot missile system seems like a good idea after all this is not a war but a invasion.

I suppose that you think that murdering innocent men, women and children, illegally deporting Ukrainian men, women and children,. destroying the Ukrainian infrastructure, using drones to attack the country that was never Russian in the first place is OK, as it is NOT a war as described by the Russian government.

[Rimmer]

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[vandeventer]

2 hours ago, billd766 said:

I suppose that you think that murdering innocent men, women and children, illegally deporting Ukrainian men, women and children,. destroying the Ukrainian infrastructure, using drones to attack the country that was never Russian in the first place is OK, as it is NOT a war as described by the Russian government.

Ukraine is not trying to invade Russia, so how can this be a war? Russia being the largest country in the world still doesn't have enough land but they are paying a very high price for trying to steal Ukraine's land. So is Ukraine and the world will not forgive Russia for what it has done.

[ozimoron]

1 minute ago, vandeventer said:

Ukraine is not trying to invade Russia, so how can this be a war? Russia being the largest country in the world still doesn't have enough land but they are paying a very high price for trying to steal Ukraine's land. So is Ukraine and the world will not forgive Russia for what it has done.

agreed.

Edited December 16, 2022 by ozimoron

[billd766]

23 minutes ago, vandeventer said:

Ukraine is not trying to invade Russia, so how can this be a war? Russia being the largest country in the world still doesn't have enough land but they are paying a very high price for trying to steal Ukraine's land. So is Ukraine and the world will not forgive Russia for what it has done.

Sorry I must had hold of the wrong end of the stick in your post.

[Credo]

13 hours ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

Sorry Brian, but I have NEVER seen a proper explanation for the constant rhetoric coming from the "credible MSM" in the western world about the Ukraine's Nazi problem, which vanished as soon as the war started. There is a fascinating collage of dozens of legacy media headlines about the Ukraine's Nazi problem. Was there NOT a Nazi problem in the Ukraine and the big name media were running a false narrative, or it was true yet extremely inconvenient now we are being conditioned to support the Ukraine?

Wow!  In what world would it matter whether Ukraine has a Nazi problem?  If they do, is there some justification for Russia to invade to solve a problem that has nothing to do with them?   Would you support someone invading the US because of racial inequity or any other problem that doesn't affect them?

 

[still kicking]

16 hours ago, AndyFoxy said:

Shows the desperation of the NATO (Axis) forces. There is no doubt that Russia will win this war. 

On what planet do you live 

[still kicking]

16 hours ago, placeholder said:

Don't feed the...

Yes

[Scott]

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[heybruce]

16 hours ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

Sorry Brian, but I have NEVER seen a proper explanation for the constant rhetoric coming from the "credible MSM" in the western world about the Ukraine's Nazi problem, which vanished as soon as the war started. There is a fascinating collage of dozens of legacy media headlines about the Ukraine's Nazi problem. Was there NOT a Nazi problem in the Ukraine and the big name media were running a false narrative, or it was true yet extremely inconvenient now we are being conditioned to support the Ukraine?

Isn't there a Nazi problem in many countries, including Russia?  Is Russia entitled to invade any of these countries?  Is NATO entitled to invade Russia to eliminate its Nazi problem?

[Rimmer]

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[placeholder]

On 12/17/2022 at 2:00 AM, heybruce said:

Isn't there a Nazi problem in many countries, including Russia?  Is Russia entitled to invade any of these countries?  Is NATO entitled to invade Russia to eliminate its Nazi problem?

Anyway the "Nazi Problem" isn't much of a problem in Ukraine. They performed disastrously in the most recent elections. Also Pew did a poll to measure anti-semitism levels in Central and Eastern European countries. Out of all these countries, Ukraine had the highest level of acceptance of Jews as citizens out of all the countries of Eastern and Central Europe. Russia had nearly 3 times the level of bigotry as that of Ukraine. Maybe Russia should invade itself?

 

Ukraine turns out to be the most friendly to Jews

People in Romania, Lithuania, and Armenia are least willing to accept Jews as their fellow citizens

Only 5% of Ukrainians would not like to have Jews as their fellow citizens. This is the lowest level observed in all the countries of Eastern and Central Europe, as revealed in a report released on 28 March 2018 on the results of a survey conducted by the Pew Research Center (US).

https://ukrainianjewishencounter.org/en/news/antisemitism-in-europe-ukraine-turns-out-to-be-the-most-friendly-to-jews/

 

Unless you believe that there can be Nazism without anti-Semitism, I think that settles the question.

[bannork]

The Russians have given up peddling the just get rid of the Ukraine Nazis line.

Now it's a war against the satanic West which wishes to destroy  traditional family values, and indeed lay waste to Russia too. 

Ukraine? Doesn't deserve to exist, it's an inalienable part of Russia. Shame it has to be bombed into submission but if that is what is needed to make the populace flee or surrender, so be it 

Barbaric and savage Russian imperialism. 

 

 

[bannork]

Insanity 

[Saanim]

On 12/17/2022 at 2:00 AM, heybruce said:

Isn't there a Nazi problem in many countries, including Russia?  Is Russia entitled to invade any of these countries?  Is NATO entitled to invade Russia to eliminate its Nazi problem?

Obviously it is a problem. That's why few days ago was a discussion about that in UN GA.  What was the result of the voting of combating glorification of Nazism?

The screenshot of the voting is no longer seen here.  Unfortunately, I haven't indicated the source where I copied it from, that's why unattributed...

 

But the discussion is here about Nazi, isn't it?

 

 

 

[GinBoy2]

What's struck me is how terribly the Russian military has performed.

Back in the day, and the majority of us are old enough to remember, apart from the nuke threat there was always the specter of mass Soviet tanks rolling across the West German border. So what if they had?

 

The Russian airforce faced with a much smaller Ukrainian airforce, flying the same era MIG and SU kit has failed to achieve air superiority. The land forces have performed unbelievably badly, so what are you left with? Bombing civilian infrastructure which it seems is the new sole playbook.

 

So that's why they react so viscerally to the idea of Patriot missiles, is it denies them that last weapon in the arsenal  

[KhunLA]

On 12/16/2022 at 5:32 AM, AndyFoxy said:

Shows the desperation of the NATO (Axis) forces. There is no doubt that Russia will win this war. 

You're assuming other countries, other that RU & UA, actually want this war to end.  I'm of a different opinion.  The war has been great for business ????

[Rimmer]

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[placeholder]

7 hours ago, Saanim said:

Obviously it is a problem. That's why few days ago was a discussion about that in UN GA.  What was the result of the voting of combating glorification of Nazism?

The screenshot of the voting is no longer seen here.  Unfortunately, I haven't indicated the source where I copied it from, that's why unattributed...

 

But the discussion is here about Nazi, isn't it?

 

 

 

First off, it was a general resolution against Nazism that named no specific country. Second, you failed note that this resolution has always been passed in previous years. So nothing new there.  But what you failed to note is that there was a specific paragraph that did condemn one country: Russia for its invasion of Ukraine. 

 

"Before the vote, Australia managed to get an amendment to the draft resolution adopted (63 votes in favor, 23 against and 65 abstentions) inserting a new paragraph in which the General Assembly "notes with alarm that the Russian Federation has sought to justify its territorial aggression against Ukraine on the purported basis of eliminating neo-Nazism, and underlines that the pretextual use of neo-Nazism to justify territorial aggression seriously undermines genuine attempts to combat neo-Nazism."

https://www.lemonde.fr/en/les-decodeurs/article/2022/11/09/why-france-and-51-other-countries-voted-against-the-un-resolution-condemning-nazism_6003471_8.html

[Saanim]

1 hour ago, placeholder said:

First off, it was a general resolution against Nazism that named no specific country. Second, you failed note that this resolution has always been passed in previous years. So nothing new there.

So, what does it change on the fact that among those 50 who voted against "combating glorification of Nazism" were all countries suffered under Nazism in the WW2 or combating the Nazism? For you "nothing new there"?

 

[placeholder]

Just now, Saanim said:

So, what does it change on the fact that among those 50 who voted against "combating glorification of Nazism" were all countries suffered under Nazism in the WW2 or combating the Nazism? For you "nothing new there"?

 

I don't know how they voted in the past but it's obvious why they oppose it now: It's coming from Russia, the same country that used the bizarre and blatantly false excuse of fighting Nazism to justify its invasion of Ukraine.

Anyway, you're the one who noted that 

"Obviously it is a problem. That's why few days ago was a discussion about that in UN GA.  What was the result of the voting of combating glorification of Nazism?"

So, what was the result? Among other things, a passage that condemned Russia for falsely claiming its invasion of Ukraine was based on the false premise of fighting Nazism.

[Saanim]

13 hours ago, placeholder said:

I don't know how they voted in the past but it's obvious why they oppose it now: It's coming from Russia, the same country that used the bizarre and blatantly false excuse of fighting Nazism to justify its invasion of Ukraine.

Anyway, you're the one who noted that 

"Obviously it is a problem. That's why few days ago was a discussion about that in UN GA.  What was the result of the voting of combating glorification of Nazism?"

So, what was the result? Among other things, a passage that condemned Russia for falsely claiming its invasion of Ukraine was based on the false premise of fighting Nazism.

You do not know how they voted but you do know how to comment on "combating glorification of Nazism"?  How UNGA voted I presented here.  If you cannot see it you can find it by yourself, it's not secret.

 

So, they (the under Nazism suffering countries?) oppose the combating because "it's was coming from Russia"? The Russian people had suffered the most of the civilian casualties in WW2 , then who will wonder that they are upmost worried about that. Is the Nazism differently justified where it is glorified?  

  

[placeholder]

5 minutes ago, Saanim said:

You do not know how they voted but you do know how to comment on "combating glorification of Nazism"?  How UNGA voted I presented here.  If you cannot see it you can find it by yourself, it's not secret.

 

So, they (the under Nazism suffering countries?) oppose the combating because "it's was coming from Russia"? The Russian people had suffered the most of the civilian casualties in WW2 , then who will wonder that they are upmost worried about that. Is the Nazism differently justified where it is glorified?  

  

As the resolution noted, the Russians have repeatedly made false allegations about the prevalence of  Nazism in Ukrainian government and military. And independent observers have noted that it is the Russians and our allies who overwhelmingly have committed atrocities in Ukraine. It's kind of hard to stomach such resolutions coming from a country that doesn't subscribe to "never again" but rather "let's do it again."

[ballpoint]

14 hours ago, placeholder said:

I don't know how they voted in the past but it's obvious why they oppose it now: It's coming from Russia, the same country that used the bizarre and blatantly false excuse of fighting Nazism to justify its invasion of Ukraine.

Anyway, you're the one who noted that 

"Obviously it is a problem. That's why few days ago was a discussion about that in UN GA.  What was the result of the voting of combating glorification of Nazism?"

So, what was the result? Among other things, a passage that condemned Russia for falsely claiming its invasion of Ukraine was based on the false premise of fighting Nazism.

They all abstained in the past, except for the US and Ukraine.  This non-binding resolution has been introduced by Russia annually since 2015, and has rightly been seen as a shameless attempt to excuse its annexation of Crimea while giving it carte blanche to invade any nation it accuses of "Nazism".

 

"Each year, this resolution is endorsed by a large majority. It was adopted on December 16, 2021, by 130 votes for, 2 against (United States and Ukraine) and 49 abstentions. While France did vote against the text for the first time this year, it had never voted for it and had always abstained, like many other Western countries".

 

Why France and 51 other countries voted against UN resolution condemning Nazism (lemonde.fr)

 

 

Every nation that voted against the resolution has explained why it did so in pretty strong terms.  For example, this is what the EU said:

 

"We strongly condemn the abuse of the argument of the fight against Nazism, and reject the inaccurate and inappropriate use of the term 'denazification' by Russia to justify its inhumane, cruel and illegal war of aggression against Ukraine, the continued impacts of which are dire, not only for the people of Ukraine, but for people around the world. Such distortion erodes our understanding of the Holocaust, disrespects its legacy and undermines democratic principles".

 

EU Explanation of Vote – UN General Assembly: Draft Resolution on Combating glorification of Nazism | EEAS Website (europa.eu)

 

 

It's sickening that Russian shills attempt to bring this up as if it shames those who voted against it, when all the shame lies with those who introduced it.

 

[pedro01]

On 12/16/2022 at 5:38 AM, ozimoron said:

They are indeed desperate to prevent Russian war crimes. Bombing civilian infrastructure is a war crime. Your characterisation of NATO as a Nazi regime is very poor form.

 

Given that The UN have declared Russia as a war criminal and that the US and the EU have determined that they fully support Ukraine it will be incredibly difficult for Russia to win this war.

I am not sure I agree.

 

Neither the US, nor Russia has won a war since WW2. I don't think the US have the teeth for anything other than a prolonged conflict with no actual result - which is what we saw in the middle east and Afghanistan.

 

I think the only way this ends is with Putin dead or Ukraine acquiescing. I don't see US/EU or Russia winning in any conventional sense.