1 hour ago, jacko45k said:

So the police say.... or rather a Grab driver said after being pressed by the police to say so....just presenting to you what else has been reported and put into print. The police have also admitted to lying.... and extorting. 

Nah jacko not lying or extorting....just a misunderstand on the BIB part........

 

I'm sure Interpol are keeping an eye on things.

 

Some of the posters on here are so obstropulous. Makes great reading.

9 hours ago, Lorry said:

I posted a better translation and explained it (what she wrote contains a play on words in Chinese) but it was deleted by mod.

I remember reading that post before it disappeared and was pleasantly surprised to see your knowledge of the Chinese language.

 

Your deleted post was a reply to my posting in clear text the Chinese text in the the screenshot of Charlene's Instagram post where she mentioned Interpol, and I recognise now that this post of mine got deleted and therefore must have led to the deletion also of your post.

 

With the many contradictory and/or erroneous posts referencing news articles about who said or wrote what, it is rather difficult to hunt down the original source without analysing some Chinese text in some cases and your correct translation helped me to understand the situation correctly.

 

I found also your explanation of the two Chinese characters translated as "Black Police" very interesting: a play of words by substituting one character with another to give it the meaning "Mafia"

2 hours ago, nigelforbes said:

You went to the roulette table and had a choice between red and black, you chose red and you won. Please don't try and make out that there was talent or skill in that choice!

Its called an educated guess?????I'm not talking about the roulette of course, that's pure chance?

6 minutes ago, mikeymike100 said:

Its called an educated guess?????I'm not talking about the roulette of course, that's pure chance?

I might have been perfectly happy with that were it not for your use of the word educated.

5 minutes ago, nigelforbes said:

I might have been perfectly happy with that were it not for your use of the word educated.

My point being, everyone knows the track record of the RTP? Corruption etc.The track record of the young lady at the time was an unknown?

I would and did give the benefit of the doubt to the young lady!????

11 minutes ago, mikeymike100 said:

My point being, everyone knows the track record of the RTP? Corruption etc.The track record of the young lady at the time was an unknown?

I would and did give the benefit of the doubt to the young lady!????

You know the track record of the rtp, in your mind, I don't have that constraint.

18 minutes ago, nigelforbes said:

I might have been perfectly happy with that were it not for your use of the word educated.

A guess based on experience...  based on the education of being here.

 

I also ‘guessed' that the Police were lying through their teeth and the lady in fact was telling the truth that she had been extorted for 27,000 baht....  

 

It was a lot more than a guess though, it was conclusion based on what was said (written) and the experience of being here for 25 years and having an understanding of how the police behave, particularly in the evenings at checkpoints such as the one described. 

 

The 50/50 ‘roulette’ guess you describe implies there was only ‘luck’ involved in making that guess, which is of course wrong - Those who believed the lady and thought the police to be lying did so based on the balance of probability using their experiences here to influence their assumptions.... bias yes, that too. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

4 minutes ago, nigelforbes said:

17 minutes ago, mikeymike100 said:

My point being, everyone knows the track record of the RTP? Corruption etc.The track record of the young lady at the time was an unknown?

I would and did give the benefit of the doubt to the young lady!????

You know the track record of the rtp, in your mind, I don't have that constraint.

On the balance of probability....  Who’s telling the truth in such a circumstance...

 

- The lady - unknown.

- The Police, known to be systemically corrupt with a long history of similar behaviour backed up with personal experience. 

 

It wasn’t the ‘coin toss Nigel implies.

 

Fair enough that we should be impartial and judge things individually, however, sometimes there is simply too much ‘history’ (track-record as mikey puts it) which would be daft to ignore.

 

We have the luxury if using experience and bias to draw conclusions from events. 

 

We don’t have to forget everything we know and remove all past knowledge and deal with that singular individual event without letting reputation influence our judgement as we would if jurors in a court room.

 

 

Nigel is right of course - we should be completely impartial, give everyone the benefit of doubt etc... but, that is also unrealistic given the world we live in.

 

When a Thai Policeman stops me at 1am and starts asking questions, I’m not impartial at all, I am on alert as there is a high probability that the policeman is about to try and relieve me of some cash IF he thinks he can get away with it....  or he’ll waste my time trying.

 

 

 

13 minutes ago, nigelforbes said:

You know the track record of the rtp, in your mind, I don't have that constraint.

You are a bad loser,  admit it.

 

I tended to think the same as you and still can't quite believe what happened. 

You said in an earlier post you never experienced a shake-down. Neither did I. Police were always very correct, sometimes quite helpful. I was once frisked at Ekkamai bus station, they found nothing and that was it - that was the only time I felt uncomfortable with them.

But I do know from friends that these things happen. 

 

I have no idea what I do different from other people.  I rarely drive a car. I am never drunk. I look boring. I follow the law more often than not.

But I have taken taxis on Sukhumvit or Ratchadaphisek at night countless times. 

Am I just lucky?

22 minutes ago, nigelforbes said:

You know the track record of the rtp, in your mind, I don't have that constraint.

The track record of the RTP is not just in my mind, just look at the number of investigations going on right now with the corrupt police. How many officers have been transferred to inactive positions. Big Joke is investigating some dodgy dealing with immigration officers and Chinese businessman. More corrupt police giving Chinese folks 'special' treatment at the airport and escorting them to their hotel?This is only recently. Surely you don't espouse that the RTP are squeaky clean?

There is insurmountable factual evidence that the RTP are corrupt, not all of them, but most of them! This latest debacle only highlights how bad it really is?

Try doing a search on corrupt police in Thailand, its shocking!

4 hours ago, nigelforbes said:

You went to the roulette table and had a choice between red and black, you chose red and you won. Please don't try and make out that there was talent or skill in that choice!

The only skill required was to treat everything reported, posted here and anywhere else as suspicious, however - understanding the track record of the BIB it wasn't all that hard to pick the winner. 

17 minutes ago, Artisi said:

The only skill required was to treat everything reported, posted here and anywhere else as suspicious, however - understanding the track record of the BIB it wasn't all that hard to pick the winner. 

Incredible, amazing, solves crimes by reading social forum posts. You missed your true calling.

22 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

The Nation reported that she ‘will raise the issue with the International Criminal Police Organisation (Interpol)’ as stated on her instagram page....  (I didn’t see her instagram page).

 

I didn’t read anywhere that she ‘has spoken to interpol’...   I think that may be another mistranslation or some elaboration that one or another media or social media ran with.

 

So there is some clear misinformation here... but some people have called her a liar because of this, they may well have fallen foul of believing poor reporting.  

"The Nation reported that she ‘will raise the issue with the International Criminal Police Organisation (Interpol)’"

She can't, and she didn't, because Interpol does not deal with the public directly and it is not a law enforcement agency.

 

"...some people have called her a liar because of this, they may well have fallen foul of believing poor reporting".  

Maybe, but those same people may  have reacted to accurate reporting also.

31 minutes ago, nigelforbes said:

Incredible, amazing, solves crimes by reading social forum posts. You missed your true calling.

Put it down to 20 + years in LOS and first hand knowledge of

behind the facade, plus not everyone gets their information from social media fora. 

 

23 minutes ago, Artisi said:

Put it down to 20 + years in LOS and first hand knowledge of

behind the facade, plus not everyone gets their information from social media fora. 

 

I will, that and tunnel vision

 

 

Always good to see some follow-up...

 

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BREAKING: Four Hua Kwang station police officers involved in extorting a Taiwanese actress Charlene An near Chinese Embassy in January were sentenced by the criminal court on Wednesday to 5 years in prison. Two officers were found not guilty, however. #Thailand #CharleneAn