6 hours ago, nauseus said:

So in Shaman Man's case did you see the moments where he was engaged in violence?

That's irrelevant as It's not what he has been charged with.

9 hours ago, nauseus said:

So in Shaman Man's case did you see the moments where he was engaged in violence?

No, I saw him enthusiastically participating in the mob illegally trespassing in the White House and encouraging the mob on.  He was one of the first ones in after the doors were "peacefully" kicked in. 

5 hours ago, nauseus said:

I saw the breech by a mob but I didn't see any clips of him actually smashing stuff.

You saw the violent act of the break-in to Capitol, you saw he was part of that same violent mob and was among the first to enter. You know through links already supplied the only reason he did not get charged for that particular offense is because of the plea deal but you carry on with your inane rhetoric and questions such as:

 

"So in Shaman Man's case did you see the moments where he was engaged in violence?"

3 hours ago, candide said:

That's irrelevant as It's not what he has been charged with.

It is relevant and also a question nobody here seems to be able to answer.

24 minutes ago, nauseus said:

It is relevant and also a question nobody here seems to be able to answer.

Why is it relevant?  The shaman loonie knew he was illegally entering the Capitol, he knew the police had been overwhelmed and the doors and windows smashed in, he knew he was trespassing on a secure federal building, in fact he was one of the first ones to enter through the smashed doors.  Once inside he had a great time show-boating and encouraging the mob. 

 

"Multiple videos and pictures showed the defendant inside and outside the Capitol building, yelling at officers and leading a mob down the halls of the Capitol. He made his way into the Senate chamber, where he scrawled, "It's Only A Matter of Time. Justice Is Coming," on paper covering the desk where Vice President Mike Pence had been presiding over the Senate just minutes before, investigators said."....

 

"At the sentencing hearing, prosecutors showed the court profanity-laced videos of Chansley's participation in the riot and specifically addressed the letter he left on Pence's desk inside the Senate chamber."  https://www.cbsnews.com/news/jacob-chansley-qanon-shaman-sentenced-january-6-attack-capitol/

9 hours ago, nauseus said:

I saw the breech by a mob but I didn't see any clips of him actually smashing stuff.

Do you believe that TC didn't manipulate the evidence to exclude footage which helped the Jury convict shaman man and that the jury is corrupt?

1 hour ago, ozimoron said:

Do you believe that TC didn't manipulate the evidence to exclude footage which helped the Jury convict shaman man and that the jury is corrupt?

This footage was new to most of the world. Remember? 

19 minutes ago, nauseus said:

This footage was new to most of the world. Remember? 

And as repeatedly pointed out to you and apparently to no avail, so what? Why does video footage shot at at one time and location prove that someone didn't commit a crime recorded on video at another time and location?

11 hours ago, nauseus said:

Well I'm no fundamentalist Christian but if Jesus is truly on his way then that's fine by me.

 

Belief that Jesus is on his way is not evidence that he's on his way no matter how sure such people are whoo believe it.

And statements like this from you: 

There's a lot more unknown information out here somewhere, I'm sure.

aren't evidence no matter how sure you are in your belief

And believe it or not, there are still tens of millions of American voters who believe the election was stolen despite the utter lack of evidence. Crazy huh?

 

45 minutes ago, nauseus said:

This footage was new to most of the world. Remember? 

You didn't come close to answering my question. Just meaningless innuendo. The never before seen footage showed nothing happening. What about the evidence the jury did see?

 

Was the jury corrupt?

Interesting video from Fox Tucket Carlson yesterday called "Here is the Truth", this follows the one reported in this forum.

 

It shows how Tucker blatantly and obviously manipulates Garland's quote to demonstrate that Garland is a liar. 

 

If you watch video from 4.00 minutes you can see Garland talking about the number of police who died. He says "five officers died".

 

Then Tucker says that Garland said "five officers died that day" and calls him a liar.

 

How can  anyone take this guy seriously.

 

Even when Fox openly admits in court that "no reasonable viewer takes Tucker Carlson seriously".

 

 

7 hours ago, nauseus said:

It is relevant and also a question nobody here seems to be able to answer.

He was not charged with (and convicted for) engaging in violence so it's not surprising that there is no footage of him engaged in violence.

 

So your question was irrelevant, unless your intent was to exculpate him from something he was not accused of. It's a fake injustice.

 

"Jacob Chansley, a former actor and Navy sailor widely known as the QAnon Shaman, who stormed the Capitol in January in stars-and-stripes face paint and a horned fur hat, pleaded guilty on Friday to a single felony count of obstructing an official proceeding before Congress."

 

".....charged with civil disorder, obstruction, disorderly conduct in a restricted building and demonstrating in a Capitol building"

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/03/us/politics/qanon-shaman-capitol-guilty.html

 

4 hours ago, placeholder said:

And as repeatedly pointed out to you and apparently to no avail, so what? Why does video footage shot at at one time and location prove that someone didn't commit a crime recorded on video at another time and location?

It doesn't prove that someone didn't commit a crime. I didn't say it did.

4 hours ago, placeholder said:

 

Belief that Jesus is on his way is not evidence that he's on his way no matter how sure such people are whoo believe it.

And statements like this from you: 

There's a lot more unknown information out here somewhere, I'm sure.

aren't evidence no matter how sure you are in your belief

And believe it or not, there are still tens of millions of American voters who believe the election was stolen despite the utter lack of evidence. Crazy huh?

 

This was obviously my opinion. I was not offering evidence. Your horse is tall, don't fall off.

4 hours ago, ozimoron said:

You didn't come close to answering my question. Just meaningless innuendo. The never before seen footage showed nothing happening. What about the evidence the jury did see?

 

Was the jury corrupt?

The never before seen footage showed little happening of a violent nature in side the Capitol and little evidence of a sustained insurrection of enough force to be able to bring down any government.

 

Of course the TC footage was selected, just as the J6 committee selected what they wanted people to see. Manipulation is the wrong word. Why would I know if any juries are corrupt?

Just now, nauseus said:

The never before seen footage showed little happening of a violent nature in side the Capitol and little evidence of a sustained insurrection of enough force to be able to bring down any government.

 

Of course the TC footage was selected, just as the J6 committee selected what they wanted people to see. Manipulation is the wrong word. Why would I know if any juries are corrupt?

You clearly don't believe Chansley should have been convicted so why was he? 

2 hours ago, ozimoron said:

You clearly don't believe Chansley should have been convicted so why was he? 

You clearly are unclear on what I've said, which was that anyone guilty on J6 should expect and receive punishment to fit their crimes.

2 hours ago, ozimoron said:

You clearly don't believe Chansley should have been convicted so why was he? 

He was convicted for a single felony count of obstructing an official proceeding before Congress. 

There is nothing in the video diffused by Carlson which may exculpate him.

 

6 hours ago, nauseus said:

This was obviously my opinion. I was not offering evidence. Your horse is tall, don't fall off.

In other words, an empty one.

Elon Musk tweets support for QAnon Shaman Jacob Chansley

 

Capitol Police and Republican and Democratic lawmakers say Carlson has used the footage to misrepresent that day’s violence.

 

Carlson, who showed security video of Trump loyalists walking among law enforcement officers inside the Capitol, falsely said Chansley was escorted about the building by cops who served as “tour guides.”

 

Politifact gave the claim cops “helped” people who raided the Capitol its unadulterated “Pants on Fire” rating.

 

https://nordot.app/1007125584850370560?c=592622757532812385

 

 

On 3/10/2023 at 2:20 PM, candide said:

"Jacob Chansley, a former actor and Navy sailor widely known as the QAnon Shaman, who stormed the Capitol in January in stars-and-stripes face paint and a horned fur hat, pleaded guilty on Friday to a single felony count of obstructing an official proceeding before Congress."

 

Just your typical Jan. 6 insurrectionist:

 

"He was arrested in January on six charges, including disorderly conduct and violent entry.

 

His lawyer, Albert Watkins, told Reuters that the Federal Bureau of Prisons had diagnosed Chansley with transient schizophrenia, bipolar disorder, depression, and anxiety.

...

His lawyer also said Chansley has experienced some delusions, such as believing he was related to Jesus and the Buddha."

 

https://www.businessinsider.com/qanon-shaman-mental-illness-diagnosis-in-plea-negotiations-report-2021-7

 

Along with believing that Trump won the election! 

 

5 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

Just your typical Jan. 6 insurrectionist:

 

"He was arrested in January on six charges, including disorderly conduct and violent entry.

 

His lawyer, Albert Watkins, told Reuters that the Federal Bureau of Prisons had diagnosed Chansley with transient schizophrenia, bipolar disorder, depression, and anxiety.

...

His lawyer also said Chansley has experienced some delusions, such as believing he was related to Jesus and the Buddha."

 

https://www.businessinsider.com/qanon-shaman-mental-illness-diagnosis-in-plea-negotiations-report-2021-7

 

Along with believing that Trump won the election! 

 

The moron wanted to be noticed and he was! 

Chansley would have been better off if he never invaded the U.S. Capitol Building in the first place, and then tried to obstruct the peaceful transition to a new president.

 

I guess he didn't get the message that no one had nominated him as President Pro Tem of the U.S. Senate....

 

"Angeli, however, decided to make himself at home.

“I’m gonna take a sit in this chair because Mike Pence is a f–king traitor,” he said.

As the cop looked on, Angeli asked another rioter to use his phone to snap a photo of him seated in Pence’s chair."

 

That, of course, was after Pence and the various members of Congress had had to flee the Capitol chambers and abandon their duties because of the coming onslaught of rioters.

 

 

 

 

https://londondaily.com/capitol-riot-seen-in-new-shocking-footage-like-never-before

 

 

Here's video starting at about the 1 minute, 20 seconds mark of insurrectionists breaking windows to climb into the Capitol buidlng, nearby doors being opened, and then Chansley and other insurrectionists pushing into the building.

 

 

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2021/07/07/release-denied-jake-angeli-qanon-shaman-who-raided-us-capitol/7887658002/

 

"Angeli and scores of others stormed the buildings in what became a mob takeover that sent lawmakers scrambling for safety. Angeli, in footage captured by a journalist with The New Yorker, strutted into the U.S. Senate chamber, posed for pictures on the dais and left a note for Pence.

"It's only a matter of time," the note said. "Justice is coming!"

 

 

I'm not sure who is the bigger moron here... Chansley or Musk...  Though Musk too appears to have some mental issues of his own.

 

Tesla CEO Elon Musk Tweets About His Mental Illness, Admits To Unrelenting Stress And Bipolar Disorder

 

"More than ever, people are suffering from mental illness, including Tesla's CEO Elon Musk. 

Yesterday Elon tweeted about “unrelenting stress” and suggesting he may be bipolar."

 

https://www.indiatimes.com/news/world/tesla-ceo-elon-musk-tweets-about-his-mental-illness-admits-to-unrelenting-stress-and-bipolar-disorder-326962.html

 

Perhaps that why Musk seems to feel sorry for Chansley. Kindred souls.

 

3 hours ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

I'm not sure who is the bigger moron here... Chansley or Musk...  Though Musk too appears to have some mental issues of his own.

 

Tesla CEO Elon Musk Tweets About His Mental Illness, Admits To Unrelenting Stress And Bipolar Disorder

 

"More than ever, people are suffering from mental illness, including Tesla's CEO Elon Musk. 

Yesterday Elon tweeted about “unrelenting stress” and suggesting he may be bipolar."

 

https://www.indiatimes.com/news/world/tesla-ceo-elon-musk-tweets-about-his-mental-illness-admits-to-unrelenting-stress-and-bipolar-disorder-326962.html

 

Perhaps that why Musk seems to feel sorry for Chansley. Kindred souls.

 

Well, that diagnosis would certainly explain his purchase of Twitter.

The fact that a bunch of idiots with sticks were able to enter the Capitol in the first place should be addressed. That should be the story. But, no folks are angry at TC for showing another side of the story. 

16 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

The fact that a bunch of idiots with sticks were able to enter the Capitol in the first place should be addressed. That should be the story. But, no folks are angry at TC for showing another side of the story. 

Like, who was refusing to call out the national guard?

2 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Like, who was refusing to call out the national guard?

I'm referring to the building itself. They never should have been able to breach the doors and windows with sticks. C'mon man.

27 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

I'm referring to the building itself. They never should have been able to breach the doors and windows with sticks. C'mon man.

Don’t misunderstand me, I think far more have them should have been gun-downed as they crossed the threshold.