Asylum plan 'very concerning' and would break international law - UN refugee agency

[transam]

4 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Tory Party immigration policy failures are observable facts.

 

Failures that are entirely the fault of this Tory Government, getting it wrong for over twelve years.

 

Nothing whatsoever to do with what you imagine others might do.

 

 

So folk in rubber boats, and the French letting them do it, has nothing to do with it.

What would your Labour Party have done, yeeeeeaaaah, let them all in, problem solved the Labour Party way.....????

[Chomper Higgot]

1 hour ago, transam said:

So folk in rubber boats, and the French letting them do it, has nothing to do with it.

What would your Labour Party have done, yeeeeeaaaah, let them all in, problem solved the Labour Party way.....????

The Labour Party haven’t been in Government for over 12 years.

 

You can’t dodge the fact that immigration controls have collapsed under 12 years of Tory Government.

 

https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/irregular-migration-to-the-uk-year-ending-september-2022/irregular-migration-to-the-uk-year-ending-september-2022

[Chomper Higgot]

On 3/9/2023 at 2:55 PM, Foghorn said:

Should claim asylum in the first safe country they enter

The law disagrees:

 

https://fullfact.org/immigration/refugees-first-safe-country/

[transam]

Just now, Chomper Higgot said:

The Labour Party haven’t been in Government for over 12 years.

 

You can’t dodge the fact that immigration controls have collapsed under 12 years of Tory Government.

 

https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/irregular-migration-to-the-uk-year-ending-september-2022/irregular-migration-to-the-uk-year-ending-september-2022

The introduction of large rubber boats was not around 12 years back...????

 

The do-gooders like you are preventing chucking them all out as soon as they land on the beach............

[RayC]

2 hours ago, JonnyF said:

Nonsense. The Remain side went completely overboard on the pain. 10% drop in GDP, outbreaks of gonorrhea, they had all kinds of apocalyptic scenarios to try and scare people into staying in the clutches of the corrupt EU.

 

Just a mere 4% drop in GDP attributional to Brexit according to the OBR, so that's turned out ok.

 

What'd you know? Gonorrhea in the UK also on the increase since Brexit. ????????

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8686525/Gonorrhoea-cases-soared-26-year-highest-level-records-began.html

 

[transam]

2 minutes ago, RayC said:

Just a mere 4% drop in GDP attributional to Brexit according to the OBR, so that's turned out ok.

 

What'd you know? Gonorrhea in the UK also on the increase since Brexit. 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8686525/Gonorrhoea-cases-soared-26-year-highest-level-records-began.html

 

I blame the upsurge in mobile phone use, folk never put them down, so only wash one hand..............................????

[Chomper Higgot]

8 minutes ago, transam said:

The introduction of large rubber boats was not around 12 years back...????

 

The do-gooders like you are preventing chucking them all out as soon as they land on the beach............

See the link to UK Government data in my last post.

 

Data and facts, not rightwing self stroked grievances.

[transam]

1 minute ago, Chomper Higgot said:

See the link to UK Government data in my last post.

 

Data and facts, not rightwing self stroked grievances.

"Right wing self stroked grievances", chap, you have been in that soup kitchen far too long....... 

[Chomper Higgot]

2 minutes ago, transam said:

"Right wing self stroked grievances", chap, you have been in that soup kitchen far too long....... 

please provide your evidence that anyone other than the UK Government has control (even though that has demonstrably failed) over UK borders.

 

 

https://www.gov.uk/government/organisations/border-force

[transam]

Just now, Chomper Higgot said:

please provide your evidence that anyone other than the UK Government has control (even though that has demonstrably failed) over UK borders.

 

 

https://www.gov.uk/government/organisations/border-force

So the French not stopping the exodus by boat from their shores has nothing to do with it....?

When they arrive, it is people like you that want them taken in, your Labour lot, Corby & Abbott wanted them all in.........If your lot were in control, the situation would be far worse for the country, but you carry on defending them and trashing a Party you don't like, as usual......

[Chomper Higgot]

1 minute ago, transam said:

So the French not stopping the exodus by boat from their shores has nothing to do with it....?

When they arrive, it is people like you that want them taken in, your Labour lot, Corby & Abbott wanted them all in.........If your lot were in control, the situation would be far worse for the country, but you carry on defending them and trashing a Party you don't like, as usual......

Absolutely nothing.

 

’We got our borders back’.

 

Remember?!

 

[transam]

Just now, Chomper Higgot said:

Absolutely nothing.

 

’We got our borders back’.

 

Remember?!

 

Yes,we have got our boarders back, European lo-life now have a problem, but the French are letting the boat thing happen, the UK lefty brigade are protecting them and blaming the Gov who's hands are tied..........Sadly...................????

 

[Chomper Higgot]

1 minute ago, transam said:

Yes,we have got our boarders back, European lo-life now have a problem, but the French are letting the boat thing happen, the UK lefty brigade are protecting them and blaming the Gov who's hands are tied..........Sadly...................????

 

Nothing to do with anyone else except the Tory Government.

 

They have at their disposal, Border Force, the Royal Navy, the Police, the national budget.

 

They have failed to control the borders.

 

It’s an observable fact.

 

 

 

 

[Slip]

3 minutes ago, transam said:

Yes,we have got our boarders back, European lo-life now have a problem, but the French are letting the boat thing happen, the UK lefty brigade are protecting them and blaming the Gov who's hands are tied..........Sadly...................????

 

Where are they boarding?  Broadstairs was quite the rage back in the good old days when we were young I recall.

 

Once the tories are booted out, presumably for some time to come, everything will go back to normal.  You should try not to get overly excited, though admittedly Starmer will probably make a hash of it.  Perhaps the SNP will take over the Westminster parliament?  

[proton]

The rot set in under Tony Blairs term in office. Learn from Thailand, stick all illegals into nasty detention centres and leave them there until they pay their fare home, after all they paid about 1500 quid to get on a boat. The incentive to enter illegally has to end, the costs and damage to society are just not sustainable. No Hotels, hand outs or money. The Tories have been just as useless as Labour, they all say they want to reduce immigration but it keeps on going up, the illegals are only a part of the problem.

[Chomper Higgot]

9 minutes ago, proton said:

The rot set in under Tony Blairs term in office. Learn from Thailand, stick all illegals into nasty detention centres and leave them there until they pay their fare home, after all they paid about 1500 quid to get on a boat. The incentive to enter illegally has to end, the costs and damage to society are just not sustainable. No Hotels, hand outs or money. The Tories have been just as useless as Labour, they all say they want to reduce immigration but it keeps on going up, the illegals are only a part of the problem.

Tony Blair left office on 2007, this has nothing at all to do with his time as PM.

 

I suggest you look at the UK Government data for small boat arrivals. 
 

 

https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/irregular-migration-to-the-uk-year-ending-december-2021/irregular-migration-to-the-uk-year-ending-december-2021

[Slip]

Thank you for posting that Chomper.  The claim was laughably deluded.

[CG1 Blue]

1 hour ago, Chomper Higgot said:

The Labour Party haven’t been in Government for over 12 years.

 

You can’t dodge the fact that immigration controls have collapsed under 12 years of Tory Government.

The people smuggling gangs have grown in number and sophistication. They are making millions from these operations, and they're not going to let up while getting rich from putting people in small boats to make dangerous crossings. 

The UK is promoted by these gangs as being a soft touch, i.e. once you get to the UK it's highly unlikely you'll be sent back. 

 

You and others like to conflate this crisis with Tory government and/or Brexit. You fail to see that the people traffickers have just massively upped their game, and it's going to take radical measures to stop them putting more lives at risk. 

 

Radical measures are almost impossible to implement in the UK, because there are too many bleeding heart liberals waiting to stop them (and as a result keeping the people traffickers in business). 

[Jumbo1968]

Surely the French see the people massing around the beach areas, some days they must be hundreds, I don’t think the. French make much effort to stop them. Hey it might be like Thailand, a few brown envelopes to turn a blind eye ?

[Chomper Higgot]

35 minutes ago, CG1 Blue said:

The people smuggling gangs have grown in number and sophistication. They are making millions from these operations, and they're not going to let up while getting rich from putting people in small boats to make dangerous crossings. 

The UK is promoted by these gangs as being a soft touch, i.e. once you get to the UK it's highly unlikely you'll be sent back. 

 

You and others like to conflate this crisis with Tory government and/or Brexit. You fail to see that the people traffickers have just massively upped their game, and it's going to take radical measures to stop them putting more lives at risk. 

 

Radical measures are almost impossible to implement in the UK, because there are too many bleeding heart liberals waiting to stop them (and as a result keeping the people traffickers in business). 

Hang on a minute.

 

Government…… ‘Govern’.

 

Over twelve years of Government failing to…. Govern.

 

‘Bleeding heart liberals’ do not have direct control over the Home Office, Border Force, the Royal Navy, the Police or the National Budget.

 

Lay blame were it belongs.

 

Government failure to Govern.

[Chomper Higgot]

11 minutes ago, Jumbo1968 said:

Surely the French see the people massing around the beach areas, some days they must be hundreds, I don’t think the. French make much effort to stop them. Hey it might be like Thailand, a few brown envelopes to turn a blind eye ?

Then again, it might not.

[StayinThailand2much]

Funny. The UN never complains that other countries (e.g. China, Thailand, Japan, etc.) hardly ever take in asylum seekers. If China or Japan accepted, as a percentage of their population, as many asylum seekers as Western countries, probably all asylum seekers in the world could easily find a new home. After all, they are 'fleeing from war and other harm', right? So, why does the large majority have to be taken in by Western countries only?

[StayinThailand2much]

1 hour ago, CG1 Blue said:

The people smuggling gangs have grown in number and sophistication. They are making millions from these operations, and they're not going to let up while getting rich from putting people in small boats to make dangerous crossings. 

It's big business! The asylum seekers pay good money to be channeled through different countries, hoping to recover it easily once they arrive in the destination country, and resourceful smuggling gangs profit from this lucrative business...

[Chomper Higgot]

9 minutes ago, StayinThailand2much said:

Funny. The UN never complains that other countries (e.g. China, Thailand, Japan, etc.) hardly ever take in asylum seekers. If China or Japan accepted, as a percentage of their population, as many asylum seekers as Western countries, probably all asylum seekers in the world could easily find a new home. After all they are 'fleeing from war and other harm', right? So, why does the large majority have to be taken in by Western countries?

You’ve on it it been staying in Thailand long enough.

 

 

If you had you might have some understanding of the history of Thailand receiving refugees.

[StayinThailand2much]

9 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

You’ve on it it been staying in Thailand long enough.

 

 

If you had you might have some understanding of the history of Thailand receiving refugees.

I'm aware that Thailand, esp. in the past, had its share of refugees. But it's a question of definition:

 

"An asylum seeker is a person looking for protection because they fear persecution, or they have experienced violence or human rights violations. A refugee is a person who asked for protection and was given refugee status. They may have been resettled in another country or be waiting for resettlement."

[Slip]

57 minutes ago, Jumbo1968 said:

Surely the French see the people massing around the beach areas, some days they must be hundreds, I don’t think the. French make much effort to stop them. Hey it might be like Thailand, a few brown envelopes to turn a blind eye ?

Why should they care about how the tory government in the UK can't police its borders post-brexit?

 

[herfiehandbag]

On 3/9/2023 at 10:54 AM, bannork said:

So how can genuine refugees, for example Afghanis, Iranians fleeing persecution from their governments, arrive legally in the UK?

If they are arriving on small boats crossing the Channel then they will have passed through at least half a dozen countries where safe refuge is available. To pass through those countries they will have needed documents. When they get to the UK, oh dear, they have no documents!

[Chomper Higgot]

17 minutes ago, StayinThailand2much said:

I'm aware that Thailand, esp. in the past, had its share of refugees. But it's a question of definition:

 

"An asylum seeker is a person looking for protection because they fear persecution, or they have experienced violence or human rights violations. A refugee is a person who asked for protection and was given refugee status. They may have been resettled in another country or be waiting for resettlement."

Yes it is a matter of definition.

 

Asylum seekers have the right, under international law, to have their application for asylum fairly and lawfully considered, regardless of how they entered the country.

 

 

[Chomper Higgot]

3 minutes ago, herfiehandbag said:

If they are arriving on small boats crossing the Channel then they will have passed through at least half a dozen countries where safe refuge is available. To pass through those countries they will have needed documents. When they get to the UK, oh dear, they have no documents!

You do understand how smuggling works don’t you?

[James105]

This charming fella will soon be making another attempt to get on a small boat so he can live in the UK, currently back in France waiting for his next chance:

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11833125/Afghan-migrant-28-deported-raping-12-year-old-girl-tried-UK.html

 

"He said: ‘I will never give up trying to get to the UK. I have been in France for three months and we don’t get anything.  In the UK I can get education, a job and a house."   I'm sure his prospective neighbours and families with young children are very much looking forward to welcoming him into their community when he gets there.   

 

Seems the solution to this problem is simply not to give them anything when they rock up and maybe some enterprising people in Dover can set up a camping business to sell them tents etc when they arrive so they have somewhere to stay.   The UN do not seem to be complaining about how the French treat them so perhaps lessons can be learn from this.