Thaksin back in Thailand on May 16th - calls for a landslide election victory to get country out of a "black hole"

[Jack Cook]

What a farce, it’s Thailand, it’s a junta and elections are a moot point. If by some chance his daughter gets voted in there will just be another coup. Sometimes reality is sad, but it’s reality nonetheless.

[scorecard]

1 minute ago, Phoenix Rising said:

I don't know what orders have been given. All I know is that Thaksin will not return unless some sort of deal has been made.

Sure, but who (other than 1 person) could give such an order?

 

Sure Thaksin has dedicated followers. But plentyof them are wise enought to want to follow the laws of Thailand including 'nobody is above the law'.

 

There's also haters and many of these folks would vermently not accept an order to change/adjust/cancel his convictions and sentences, and would very possibly raise some very serious protests.

 

As mentioned IMHO "All this is really thaksin vote buying 2023."

 

 

[jvs]

Could also be that Thaksin woke up with a head ache and he decided to

rattle some ones chain.

He knows it works.

[kingstonkid]

8 minutes ago, Phoenix Rising said:

I don't know what orders have been given. All I know is that Thaksin will not return unless some sort of deal has been made.

The catch is that 2 days after the election we will not know who is running the country.  First you have to <deleted> the ballots.

then you have the fight for non voted seats

then you have the court challenges.

Then you have the house and senate appoint Prawit as Prime Minister as a way to send Thaksin packing

 

I think even FF would vote for Prawit if it was a choice between PT letting Tony back in or Prawit.  Heck, even Prayut, if his party wins enough seats, would be better thatn Thaksin and all the chaos.than

[Phoenix Rising]

2 minutes ago, scorecard said:

Sure, but who (other than 1 person) could give such an order?

 

Sure Thaksin has dedicated followers. But plentyof them are wise enought to want to follow the laws of Thailand including 'nobody is above the law'.

 

There's also haters and many of these folks would vermently not accept an order to change/adjust/cancel his convictions and sentences, and would very possibly raise some very serious protests.

 

As mentioned IMHO "All this is really thaksin vote buying 2023."

 

 

"Sure, but who (other than 1 person) could give such an order?"

That's clearly something we cannot discuss.

 

"Sure Thaksin has dedicated followers. But plentyof them are wise enought to want to follow the laws of Thailand including 'nobody is above the law'."

If your guy/gal/party has time and again won elections only to be squeezed out by illegal means why would you worry about that? I certainly wouldn't.

 

"There's also haters and many of these folks would vermently not accept an order to change/adjust/cancel his convictions and sentences, and would very possibly raise some very serious protests."

No doubt.

 

"As mentioned IMHO "All this is really thaksin vote buying 2023.""

We shall see. If Thaksin does return it's clear that you're wrong and that this is something much more substantial.

[h90]

3 hours ago, dinsdale said:

Which ever way this goes I don't think it's going to be good. IMO a period of instabilty awaits and as usual the elephant in the room is the army and the senate.

very true...whoever wins the other side will make troubles

[h90]

3 hours ago, OneMoreFarang said:

Come on, don't talk, come!

 

 

 

3 hours ago, OneMoreFarang said:

What can possibly go wrong?

 

 

that are peaceful pro democracy rallies. including some peaceful house burning and peaceful shootings

[h90]

8 minutes ago, kingstonkid said:

The catch is that 2 days after the election we will not know who is running the country.  First you have to <deleted> the ballots.

then you have the fight for non voted seats

then you have the court challenges.

Then you have the house and senate appoint Prawit as Prime Minister as a way to send Thaksin packing

 

I think even FF would vote for Prawit if it was a choice between PT letting Tony back in or Prawit.  Heck, even Prayut, if his party wins enough seats, would be better thatn Thaksin and all the chaos.than

you forgot, it will be a multi party coalition so the negotiations need a long time.

[Snig27]

1 hour ago, BangkokReady said:

My question included whether democracy could return if Thaksin came back into power.  Obviously their MO is industrial level vote-buying, gambling with public money to fund the vote-buying, suppression of free-speech, changing laws to allow corruption, and human rights violations.

And yet the last peer-reviewed external research on this said that all parties do voting buying equally and that it has no impact on the results. Maybe you have other research to add to this? 

As to the rest, that must be quite a fog you are living in given the events of recent years. 

[h90]

1 hour ago, Eric Loh said:

Rampant widespread drugs was a concern even to the King. 

yes but shooting random people is not an solution that makes everything worse. drug addiction is not something you can fix with bullets

[NemoH]

What kind of country has a criminal think that he can get pardoned from his crime if he wins an election ????????????

[kingstonkid]

4 minutes ago, h90 said:

you forgot, it will be a multi party coalition so the negotiations need a long time.

oops my bad so add another month lol

[kingstonkid]

Just now, NemoH said:

What kind of country has a criminal think that he can get pardoned from his crime if he wins an election ????????????

ASEAN  he just saw the military take over Myanmar again and Marcos was elected as president in the Philippines so he thinks he is entitled

[h90]

1 hour ago, proton said:

why not as he and his sister were both illegally ousted from power. Not sure black hole is still in use there days.

they were legally ousted from power.....as the winner writes the book of history and in this case they wrote that into the constitution.
But beside that: Thailand was on the brink of a civil war with already injured and death people + massive economic damage.
Specially in the coup against his sister, Prayut tried till the last minute to negotiate a peaceful solution. Which would have been the PM to visit the king and telling that she is unable to govern the country and ask for an emergency government. They hoped that than the king would call in a temporary government from bureaucracy and retired respected people which pacify the country and call for new elections.
The government rejected that. The alternative would have been civil war with all the tourism goes down to nothing. There was already talks that the complete South declares itself an independend country, under the king but not under Bangkok rule.
There was also already a tax boycott many companies didn't pay taxes anymore and revenue department did not enforce anything anymore.

[h90]

6 minutes ago, kingstonkid said:

oops my bad so add another month lol

can be very long...you know pay people to switch parties.....selling jobs

[OneMoreFarang]

7 minutes ago, NemoH said:

What kind of country has a criminal think that he can get pardoned from his crime if he wins an election ????????????

The kind of country where people vote for a party which is controlled by a criminal from outside and his  inexperienced daughter as PM candidate. It's amazing that such a kind of country and such voters exist. 

[wolf81]

3 hours ago, keith101 said:

He is pushing for his party to win so he and his daughter can get pardons and can return home and take power again .

Looking at the election posters, it seems his daughter is the hottest candidate by a landslide. Dunno if that would help getting votes. Of course she also promises to double the minimum wage, so that might help a bit more.

 

Then again, my Thai ain't great, but it seems other candidates make similar promises. 

[Mad mick]

Rather Thaksin,  than shi_te coup d'etat Jaunta who seized power from landslide Victory off Thai people who voted  Thaksin in ! No doubt selling his mobile phone company in Singapore start of his downfall tax evasion while being PM & Building buddha in his own image Chang mai & reported sitting on Thai Royal Throne unsure if " true or rumours however its  Thaksin we are talking about & possible ! l'm sure would not gone down well with Rama 9 or Military  understandably ! Thai military only need 1 excuse for repeating coup d'etat it's Thai military national sport ! Well Known Thaksin was planing to try & separate military from Thai Government common in most free democratic countries ! inadvertently separating Government from military would hurt military top Brass arms deals kick ???????? slightly .. If " They or his affiliated party win upcoming election he'll be back & sis No doubt ! Good possiblity Thaksin may be up for assassination & destabilise the country & giving Thai military Jaunta ammo seize power all over again ! beat goes on & on in Thailand more coup d'etat in Thailand since end of ww2 than any other country on ???? ???? just ranting thought ???? ????????????

Edited April 3, 2023 by Mad mick

[Skeptic7]

3 hours ago, bob smith said:

I for one will be at the airport to welcome him back home if/when he arrives.

 

Thailand misses you sir ????

Ummm...nope. ????

[bannork]

3 minutes ago, h90 said:

they were legally ousted from power.....as the winner writes the book of history and in this case they wrote that into the constitution.
But beside that: Thailand was on the brink of a civil war with already injured and death people + massive economic damage.
Specially in the coup against his sister, Prayut tried till the last minute to negotiate a peaceful solution. Which would have been the PM to visit the king and telling that she is unable to govern the country and ask for an emergency government. They hoped that than the king would call in a temporary government from bureaucracy and retired respected people which pacify the country and call for new elections.
The government rejected that. The alternative would have been civil war with all the tourism goes down to nothing. There was already talks that the complete South declares itself an independend country, under the king but not under Bangkok rule.
There was also already a tax boycott many companies didn't pay taxes anymore and revenue department did not enforce anything anymore.

No, Suthep was allowed to run around Bangkok disrupting traffic and even demanded civil servants report to him.

Anyone else would have been arrested for treason.

Prayut did nothing 

After the coup Suthep even boasted on how the coup had been planned- make Bangkok ungovernable, then the army has to step in.

Prayuth even had to tell Suthep to shut up.

A truly shameful episode in Thai politics 

 

 

[BangkokReady]

14 minutes ago, Snig27 said:

And yet the last peer-reviewed external research on this said that all parties do voting buying equally and that it has no impact on the results. Maybe you have other research to add to this? 

I heard it differently.

 

14 minutes ago, Snig27 said:

As to the rest, that must be quite a fog you are living in given the events of recent years. 

I didn't claim that the current lot were any better, just that to suggest that Thaksin coming back signals the return of democracy, law and order, and human rights to Thailand is pretty far-fetched.

[Phoenix Rising]

13 minutes ago, NemoH said:

What kind of country has a criminal think that he can get pardoned from his crime if he wins an election ????????????

The kind that has a PM that has already pardoned himself and his henchmen for any past or future crimes.

[Phoenix Rising]

2 minutes ago, BangkokReady said:

I heard it differently.

 

I didn't claim that the current lot were any better, just that to suggest that Thaksin coming back signals the return of democracy, law and order, and human rights to Thailand is pretty far-fetched.

Who has signaled that?

[Eric Loh]

13 minutes ago, h90 said:

yes but shooting random people is not an solution that makes everything worse. drug addiction is not something you can fix with bullets

Whether it’s drug addiction nor drug related murders and crimes has to be fixed. 80% of the overcrowded prisons are drug related. Post coup government  investigation of Thaksin’s war on drugs didn’t come to any conclusion but there were extra judiciary killings by rogue policemen. Drug dealers are killing lots of people and should be severely punished. In some countries, it’s capital punishment. 

[2baht]

4 hours ago, webfact said:

With better law and order

He'll do the 10 years in the can on his return!

[Phoenix Rising]

2 minutes ago, 2baht said:

He'll do the 10 years in the can on his return!

Riiiiiiight.

I want my 2 Baht back......

[edwinchester]

3 hours ago, OneMoreFarang said:

Come on, don't talk, come!

 

 

Hopefully Prayut, Prawit and all the other illegal coup makers will be in the adjacent call.

[DrJoy]

2 hours ago, BangkokReady said:

If Thaksin comes into power

Still he cannot be PM. He is now a citizen of Montenegro.

 

Mr. T surrendered his Thai PP long ago.

 

I hope he knows he will have to apply for a Thai visa, extension of stay, 90 day report, TM 30 etc ????

[edwinchester]

17 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said:

The kind of country where people vote for a party which is controlled by a criminal from outside and his  inexperienced daughter as PM candidate. It's amazing that such a kind of country and such voters exist. 

And what sort of experience did Prayut have to make himself  Prime Minister except being somebody who can't be mentioned bodyguard?

[klauskunkel]

If Taksin comes back, then I want Chalerm to come back to politics again also. I somehow miss him, he made the whole charade bearable thru sheer buffoonery.