Finnish man accused by neighbours of insulting Thai people

[2009]

2 hours ago, pomchop said:

.he got a beating for being a belligerent idiot that did not have the common sense to not return to a place where he obviously was not welcome

So, it's ok then?

[2009]

3 hours ago, JCauto said:

You feel that there is "no evidence" yet have already judged the attacker's information as "lies"? I guess you were there?

The evidence is he got violently assaulted by a gang.

 

It's fact. What more do you need to know?

 

Nowhere has it mentioned he threw the first punch or any punch. 

 

He was just attacked.

[bignok]

58 minutes ago, gerritkaew said:

No,, couse we maiby big. ( i am ) 

But i starting to hate it in here, its a lot off criminals here, ordinary thais can explode for nothing an we as Karan are the blame..

 

Western world lots of road rage, unhappy people. Cost of living plus covid I think.

[bristolgeoff]

Whatever was said,the thais got upset and got revenge  right or wrong.In issan that could happen many times and never reported

[Toby1947]

10 onto 1, with wooden sticks and knives sounds about the right odds for Thailand 

[ningnong]

1 hour ago, 2009 said:

Nowhere has it mentioned he threw the first punch or any punch. 

 

He was just attacked.

There's not a single Issan villager who doesn't understand that if you intentionally insult another villager, even slightly, you are inviting a violent response. That's just the way it is. And I assume the vast majority of Farangs living here understand that but apparently this guy didn't get the memo.

[JCauto]

1 hour ago, 2009 said:

The evidence is he got violently assaulted by a gang.

 

It's fact. What more do you need to know?

 

Nowhere has it mentioned he threw the first punch or any punch. 

 

He was just attacked.

Really? You believe he was standing there quietly, didn't say a word, and suddenly ten locals set upon him and beat him up with sticks? Had he started studying at the local Vocational College?

[PremiumLane]

Has the AN Forum detective squad solved this case yet?

[Chongalulu]

21 hours ago, BritManToo said:

21 hours ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Could it be that Jarae was being rude and abusive to the shop owner and the shop owner hit him ?

The shop owner understood English? Or Finnish? 

When asked how much Thai I speak I reply "Enough to get myself into trouble… but not OUT !" ???? 

[DudleySquat]

21 hours ago, JoeW said:

If you read the whole article, you kind of understand why this happened. Same would happen in the US, in Europe or in any other Asian country.

I don't agree. Thailand is a country of "thinking" is optional.  Why think when someone will tell you what to do? It shows how the "group non-thinking" is so prevalent,  Why would you be in a situation where you have idiots surrounding you?

[Mad mick]

Crikey how do Americans get on in Thailand if loud talking offends Thais Do we learn sign language ?????

[save the frogs]

8 hours ago, BangkokReady said:

it wouldn't be your "true self" popping out, as your conscious mind is part of who you are.

true self was a poor choice of words.

but all that "repressed" stuff comes out.

if you've got a lot of repressed anger, it will come out when drunk. 

[2009]

47 minutes ago, ningnong said:

There's not a single Issan villager who doesn't understand that if you intentionally insult another villager, even slightly, you are inviting a violent response. That's just the way it is. And I assume the vast majority of Farangs living here understand that but apparently this guy didn't get the memo.

You are painting a very civilized picture of the locals. Lol

 

[2009]

46 minutes ago, JCauto said:

Really? You believe he was standing there quietly, didn't say a word, and suddenly ten locals set upon him and beat him up with sticks? Had he started studying at the local Vocational College?

No, I believe he said the word, "buffalo" as the news says.

 

I'll be waiting here for you to justify the 10 man beating. Go ahead.

[BE88]

A probable version could be this, a drunk Farang Finn who wanted to buy more alcohol  who gave the middle finger (universal language) to all the people around him, but he received no blows from those present and was only pushed and fell and seriously injured himself, end of story.

Edited April 19, 2023 by BE88

[steven100]

22 hours ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Could it be that Jarae was being rude and abusive to the shop owner and the shop owner hit him ?

yes ... you are correct ... and she asked others to join in the attack ...  and a knife was also good arsenal

[2009]

1 hour ago, Toby1947 said:

10 onto 1, with wooden sticks and knives sounds about the right odds for Thailand 

Yeah, it's a classic:

 

1. Get charged 10 baht extra for something cos you are a falang.

 

2. Get annoyed and say the worst word imaginable to a Thai (buffalo)

 

3. Get set upon by 10 guys and a woman with weapons while everyone else around smiles, laughs, and says, "Mai pen rai"

 

They could make it a tourist advertisement, ????????

[JCauto]

11 minutes ago, 2009 said:

No, I believe he said the word, "buffalo" as the news says.

 

I'll be waiting here for you to justify the 10 man beating. Go ahead.

Oh, so suddenly you are saying he DID provoke these people? I don't believe you mentioned that previously. In fact, you said

 

"The evidence is he got violently assaulted by a gang.

It's fact. What more do you need to know?

Nowhere has it mentioned he threw the first punch or any punch. 

He was just attacked."

 

Now he was not "just attacked", he insulted the villagers by calling them buffalo, something that anyone who lives in Thailand knows is basically inviting fisticuffs or worse.

You are engaging in sophistry in your zeal to hate on the Thai. Why do you live here?

I don't know your nationality, but if a Thai guy in the UK who didn't speak English came up to a group of partying locals and everyone was pissed up, and he said "w*nkers", I'm guessing he's going to end up like the friendly Finn. If a similar thing happened in the USA, same result (although you'd have to substitute a different word).

[2009]

10 minutes ago, JCauto said:

Oh, so suddenly you are saying he DID provoke these people? I don't believe you mentioned that previously. In fact, you said

 

"The evidence is he got violently assaulted by a gang.

It's fact. What more do you need to know?

Nowhere has it mentioned he threw the first punch or any punch. 

He was just attacked."

 

Now he was not "just attacked", he insulted the villagers by calling them buffalo, something that anyone who lives in Thailand knows is basically inviting fisticuffs or worse.

You are engaging in sophistry in your zeal to hate on the Thai. Why do you live here?

I don't know your nationality, but if a Thai guy in the UK who didn't speak English came up to a group of partying locals and everyone was pissed up, and he said "w*nkers", I'm guessing he's going to end up like the friendly Finn. If a similar thing happened in the USA, same result (although you'd have to substitute a different word).

What I am saying is: what they did was WAY over the top and in no way justifiable. 

 

They could have just called him a name back in return. No need for violence.

 

You don't seem to comprehend this. Why are you condoning and justifying thug behavior?

 

 

 

Edited April 19, 2023 by 2009

[JCauto]

1 minute ago, 2009 said:

What I am saying is: what they did was WAY over the top and in no way justifiable. 

 

They could have just called him a name back in return. No need for violence.

 

You don't seem to comprehend this. Why are you condoning and justifying thug behavior?

I live in the region in these people's country, therefore I accept their standards and norms prevail, not mine. I understand their culture and language, so I act with respect and don't deliberately say things that will anger them because I understand that "face" is extremely important to these people. If I am living as a guest in their village, then I will be much more careful, especially if I haven't bothered to make any effort to speak the language, form relationships with the locals or otherwise adapt to my new environment.

This drunken idiot who has already worn out his welcome in the village came over during a party and insulted his neighbours. They reacted the way anyone who lives here and understands the culture knew they would. Whether you or I believe the violence disproportionate is irrelevant. It was also inevitable at that point.

[2009]

16 minutes ago, JCauto said:

I live in the region in these people's country, therefore I accept their standards and norms prevail, not mine. I understand their culture and language, so I act with respect and don't deliberately say things that will anger them because I understand that "face" is extremely important to these people. If I am living as a guest in their village, then I will be much more careful, especially if I haven't bothered to make any effort to speak the language, form relationships with the locals or otherwise adapt to my new environment.

This drunken idiot who has already worn out his welcome in the village came over during a party and insulted his neighbours. They reacted the way anyone who lives here and understands the culture knew they would. Whether you or I believe the violence disproportionate is irrelevant. It was also inevitable at that point.

You feel comfortable living with such people??

 

You make them sound like savages the way you describe them.

 

Well, don't come crying to us when you accidentally bump into someone and end up getting a gun pulled on you. 

 

That actually happened to me in Isaan at a family gathering and the bloke was related. He held the grudge for months before confronting me. ????

 

These people are just one slight away from trying to end your life. 

 

And once you get to know their "culture" you'll know that even the way they treat their own family is deplorable. A lot of neglect and abuse goes in these villages. They are so out of touch with reality.

 

We've all read on the news relatives or best friends killing each other over a beer or small family matter when their ego get bruised. It happens in these kinds of places.

Edited April 19, 2023 by 2009

[ningnong]

24 minutes ago, 2009 said:

They could have just called him a name back in return.

Haha, good one. You clearly don't live in an Issan village.

 

59 minutes ago, 2009 said:

You are painting a very civilized picture of the locals. Lol

Villages are actually very civilized places when you consider how close together villagers live with virtually zero police presence.

 

Not a bad way to keep the peace when its understood there is no tolerance for personal insults. If you have a problem with someone take it to the village headman or his helpers to help sort it out.

[BritScot]

23 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

It would be highly unusual for a group of Thai people to attack a foreigner. Extremely unusual. Might there be something else going on here? Some bad blood? 

 

It does help to be courteous and respectful to the locals. And a smile and good cheer goes a long ways here. 

Really, an unbelievable statement! It is very common for groups of Thai's to attack a foreigner like a pack of rabid dogs and use weapons. I get sick of this nonsense: happens in other countries  or blame the victim. They should be arrested and charged with attempted murder if sticks, clubs and a knife was used or even threatened with. No this doesn't happen in the uk or any other country I have visited or been/served in. 

[billd766]

13 hours ago, gerritkaew said:

Thais are not nice anymore. 
im living here and everywhere I look I see violence against farang, thefts and more. Thailand is a dangerous country for tourist and expat’s to live those days. 
every Thai want a bit off you, your money is not safe here, same your life…

I have been living in Thailand since 2001 and I have never seen violence against farang, thefts and more. Thailand is a dangerous country for tourist and expat’s to live those days. 

Every Thai want a bit off you, your money is not safe here, same your life…

 

So much depends on where you live and your attitude towards the Thai people.

 

I live in rural Kamphaeng Phet and AFAIK I am treated the same as the Thais and pay the same prices that Thais do.

 

 

[Mac Mickmanus]

27 minutes ago, BritScot said:

Really, an unbelievable statement! It is very common for groups of Thai's to attack a foreigner like a pack of rabid dogs and use weapons. I get sick of this nonsense: happens in other countries  or blame the victim. They should be arrested and charged with attempted murder if sticks, clubs and a knife was used or even threatened with. No this doesn't happen in the uk or any other country I have visited or been/served in. 

They aren't attacked because they are foreigners , they are attacked for being aggressive towards other people and their nationality is irrelevant .

   They caused the trouble themselves

[ningnong]

The guy looks like he spends time in the gym and his wife has a bit of tiktok fame. Looks like a nice enough guy when sober. I listened to a Thai news report and it sounds like he was probably quite drunk and definitely being a jerk while trying to buy a bottle of laokow. I think his wife blew it by letting him out of the house knowing he could be belligerent when drunk. It would have taken a few Thais to whip him no doubt. Xray of broken jaw looks nasty.
https://www.tiktok.com/search?q=อ้อยซีเคร็ท

[JCauto]

3 hours ago, 2009 said:

You feel comfortable living with such people??

 

You make them sound like savages the way you describe them.

 

Well, don't come crying to us when you accidentally bump into someone and end up getting a gun pulled on you. 

 

That actually happened to me in Isaan at a family gathering and the bloke was related. He held the grudge for months before confronting me. ????

 

These people are just one slight away from trying to end your life. 

 

And once you get to know their "culture" you'll know that even the way they treat their own family is deplorable. A lot of neglect and abuse goes in these villages. They are so out of touch with reality.

 

We've all read on the news relatives or best friends killing each other over a beer or small family matter when their ego get bruised. It happens in these kinds of places.

Yes, I do. I've never had a gun pulled on me, any violence threatened, anything stolen...over 30 years in the region. Wonder why? As to your "way they treat their own family", it very much depends on the family, and that usually can be seen via how you met your wife and where. My wife's family are amazing, far less trouble and drama than my own, they help us and we help them.

And I was trying hard to avoid this but...if we're to take your avatar seriously, you're an American and a Conservative at the very least. Therefore you are likely in the "pry my gun from my cold dead hands" kinda demographic. Maybe I'm assuming too much, but it is highly likely you're big on the 2nd amendment. Just this week a kid who got lost in the neighbourhood got two bullets pumped into him after ringing a doorbell, and a woman who got lost and turned around in a driveway got shot dead by the owner. I'm not even talking about the half dozen or so mass shooting events in the last two weeks. Older white American gentlemen killing innocent people for no reason whatsoever. So take your "Well, don't come crying to us when you accidentally bump into someone and end up getting a gun pulled on you." and stick it where the sun don't shine.

[2009]

9 minutes ago, JCauto said:

Yes, I do. I've never had a gun pulled on me, any violence threatened, anything stolen...over 30 years in the region. Wonder why? As to your "way they treat their own family", it very much depends on the family, and that usually can be seen via how you met your wife and where. My wife's family are amazing, far less trouble and drama than my own, they help us and we help them.

And I was trying hard to avoid this but...if we're to take your avatar seriously, you're an American and a Conservative at the very least. Therefore you are likely in the "pry my gun from my cold dead hands" kinda demographic. Maybe I'm assuming too much, but it is highly likely you're big on the 2nd amendment. Just this week a kid who got lost in the neighbourhood got two bullets pumped into him after ringing a doorbell, and a woman who got lost and turned around in a driveway got shot dead by the owner. I'm not even talking about the half dozen or so mass shooting events in the last two weeks. Older white American gentlemen killing innocent people for no reason whatsoever. So take your "Well, don't come crying to us when you accidentally bump into someone and end up getting a gun pulled on you." and stick it where the sun don't shine.

You got a lot of prejudice, dude.

 

And you think your the good guy in the equation, jeez.

 

You can hang out with low lives all you want.

[JCauto]

1 minute ago, 2009 said:

You got a lot of prejudice, dude.

 

And you think your the good guy in the equation, jeez.

 

You can hang out with low lives all you want.

No, not prejudice, just a lot of observational experience. It won't surprise you to find there's actually a statistical correlation. But that is not the topic of this thread.

 

That you consider Thai villagers to be "low lives" tells me everything about your point of view. I have always and continue to work at village level and I love it. You get the full range of people at village level, it's not that much different from the city. In fact, you're surrounded by them every day if you live in Bangkok. I don't understand why you live here if you think so poorly of the Thai.

[2009]

5 minutes ago, JCauto said:

That you consider Thai villagers to be "low lives" tells me everything about your point of view.

I consider the people involved in this attack low lives.

 

You know, the ones you are defending.