Who can beat Biden?

[ozimoron]

7 minutes ago, bignok said:

The Democrats caused the GFC.

https://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/106-1999/s105

[candide]

16 minutes ago, bignok said:

The US economy has been growing for 100 years so your point is null and void.

Please stop deflecting. I claimed that energy production and exports have increased under Biden. You opposed this claim. I have shown statistics confirming that energy production and exports have increased under Biden.

[candide]

5 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

https://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/106-1999/s105

Yep! (From your source).

[Pink Mist]

A baiting post has been removed.  This is the last time, stay on topic or you will be suspended.

[Credo]

I've never been a big Biden fan, but I certainly have nothing against him.  I just find him to be a rather uninteresting speaker.  That said, I am very pleased with his performance as President.  He is very knowledgeable of government and how it works.  He gets things done.  He's a great manager and that's what the country needs.   

On the Republican side, I don't know who could beat him.  It's a party without a platform -- except to hate drag queens, trans people, gay marriage.  The only thing they seem to be for is guns.  Unless, they come up with someone who actually has policies that people can get behind, they won't win.  Trump and DeSantis are both pathetic.  He can't even take on Disney and win. 

[Jingthing]

Who can beat Biden?

Definitely not Trump.

But the Republicans are hell bent on nominating the Biggest Loser.

Never look a gift grifter in the mouth.

Edited April 26, 2023 by Jingthing

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

40 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Who can beat Biden?

Definitely not Trump.

But the Republicans are hell bent on nominating the Biggest Loser.

Never look a gift grifter in the mouth.

I understand the appeal (electoral and otherwise) of what you're saying...

 

But really, I'm totally and excessively sick and disgusted with hearing anything about that guy. Wish he'd just disappear off the face of the planet, or off to Russia instead, and never be heard from again!

 

[Hanaguma]

2 hours ago, Credo said:

I've never been a big Biden fan, but I certainly have nothing against him.  I just find him to be a rather uninteresting speaker.  That said, I am very pleased with his performance as President.  He is very knowledgeable of government and how it works.  He gets things done.  He's a great manager and that's what the country needs.   

On the Republican side, I don't know who could beat him.  It's a party without a platform -- except to hate drag queens, trans people, gay marriage.  The only thing they seem to be for is guns.  Unless, they come up with someone who actually has policies that people can get behind, they won't win.  Trump and DeSantis are both pathetic.  He can't even take on Disney and win. 

Republicans dont hate any of those things. They just want them seen in perspective.  No reason for them to have such a spotlight when other, more important issues go wanting attention in the media. Drag queens can do their thing (just not around children), trans people deserve respect and treatment (but not unquestioning belief in their delusions), gay marriage is settled law. 

 

As for policies? Energy independence, America first foreign policy, fight crime, fight homelessness, control immigration and secure the border,  reign in government spending, recognize China as the biggest threat to world peace....

[ozimoron]

45 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

Republicans dont hate any of those things. They just want them seen in perspective.  No reason for them to have such a spotlight when other, more important issues go wanting attention in the media. Drag queens can do their thing (just not around children), trans people deserve respect and treatment (but not unquestioning belief in their delusions), gay marriage is settled law. 

 

As for policies? Energy independence, America first foreign policy, fight crime, fight homelessness, control immigration and secure the border,  reign in government spending, recognize China as the biggest threat to world peace....

Spending never seems to be a problem when the president is a republican

 

Donald Trump Built a National Debt So Big (Even Before the Pandemic) That It’ll Weigh Down the Economy for Years

 

One of President Donald Trump’s lesser known but profoundly damaging legacies will be the explosive rise in the national debt that occurred on his watch. The financial burden that he’s inflicted on our government will wreak havoc for decades, saddling our kids and grandkids with debt.

The national debt has risen by almost $7.8 trillion during Trump’s time in office.

 

https://www.propublica.org/article/national-debt-trump

 

Edited April 26, 2023 by ozimoron

[candide]

1 hour ago, Hanaguma said:

Republicans dont hate any of those things. They just want them seen in perspective.  No reason for them to have such a spotlight when other, more important issues go wanting attention in the media. Drag queens can do their thing (just not around children), trans people deserve respect and treatment (but not unquestioning belief in their delusions), gay marriage is settled law. 

 

As for policies? Energy independence, America first foreign policy, fight crime, fight homelessness, control immigration and secure the border,  reign in government spending, recognize China as the biggest threat to world peace....

Energy independence has been mainly achieved by Democrats.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/rrapier/2022/03/08/surprise-the-us-is-still-energy-independent/?sh=5be975ed30b6

[Credo]

2 hours ago, Hanaguma said:

Republicans dont hate any of those things. They just want them seen in perspective.  No reason for them to have such a spotlight when other, more important issues go wanting attention in the media. Drag queens can do their thing (just not around children), trans people deserve respect and treatment (but not unquestioning belief in their delusions), gay marriage is settled law. 

 

As for policies? Energy independence, America first foreign policy, fight crime, fight homelessness, control immigration and secure the border,  reign in government spending, recognize China as the biggest threat to world peace....

Drag Queens have no particular interest in children.  They are paid entertainers.  Denigrating them, discriminating against them and targeting them is a perversion.  Trans people do deserve respect and treatment, another thing the Republican Party is making a big effort to see doesn't happen.  They have targeted them for discrimination, probably amounting to persecution.  Gay marriage is settled law?  Well, not according to right-wing judge, Clarence Thomas who wrote a dissenting opinion in the landmark case of Obergefell v. Hodges in 2015.  He has also signaled he wants SCOTUS to revisit the issue along with contraceptive.   These are all policies that have a positive effect on no one and are harmful to many.  They have no positive effect on anyone.   The party of 'freedom' seems to think freedom is just for me and not for thee.  

On the issue of energy independence, nearly all the evidence points to the fact that the climate is changing and it is man-made.  It's also pretty well known that most of the easily extracted oil is limited, and sources are getting into harder to extract areas.  Coal isn't particularly feasible because of the extensive amounts of pollutants.  Oil in particular is very political, and we too often find ourselves playing with the devil.  Sunshine and wind are free, we just need to harness them.  

After Obama left office, we had 4 years of having anything, even the mention of Climate Change, erased from every government website.  Trump touted oil and greatly discouraged renewables.  

I have yet to hear any policy on anything other than the denigration of gays, trans people and drag queens.  I have no idea what the Republican energy policy is.  I assume return to backing Big Oil, and probably giving Ukraine to Russia to achieve it.   

I have heard nothing about the economic policies, except to cut medicare and health care and stop Biden from paying bills already incurred.   All I hear is drag queens, drag queens, drag queens, trans, trans, trans and other nonsense.   

[Credo]

... Oh, I forgot to mention guns.  That's another endless mantra from the right.  

[bendejo]

5 hours ago, Credo said:

On the Republican side, [ . . . ] It's a party without a platform

They will do whatever their benefactors tell them.  Whatever the issue, they'll cloak it in some sort of "if we don't do this it's the end of our country!" 

They DO NOT care about children, except their own.  All this abortion stuff is playing to the conservative/Maga base, which is guesstimated to be around 30% of US voters these days.  They couldn't care less about this "pro-life" idiocy otherwise.  A certain member of Congress says "I care about children" whenever a TV camera is pointed at her, and it's pretty obvious hokum.  Every decent human adult cares about children to some degree -- if she feels the need to say that, better keep an eye out.

 

 

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

17 hours ago, Credo said:

All I hear is drag queens, drag queens, drag queens, trans, trans, trans and other nonsense. 

The Republicans really know what side their backwoods bread is buttered on.  ????

 

If you ask me, it's a very peculiar, somewhat perverse obsession they seem to have developed...

 

The common-thinking American might think they have bigger, more important issues to concern themselves with.

 

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

19 hours ago, Hanaguma said:

trans people deserve respect and treatment (but not unquestioning belief in their delusions)

Tell that to the Republican Party in Montana, USA. They didn't get the message:

 

Montana transgender lawmaker barred by GOP from House floor

Republicans barred Zooey Zephyr from the House floor for the rest of the 2023 session, acting in retribution for protests against a previous decision to silence her.

 

"HELENA, Mont. — Republicans in Montana barred transgender lawmaker Zooey Zephyr from the House floor for the rest of the 2023 session on Wednesday, in retribution for protests against a decision to silence her for telling colleagues they’d have blood on their hands for voting to ban gender-affirming medical care for children.

 

The punishment of the freshman lawmaker caps a weeklong standoff between House Republican leaders and Zephyr which concluded that she will still be able to vote remotely under terms of the punishment. She will be unable though to discuss proposals and amendments under consideration with the 99 other members of the Montana House."

 

https://www.politico.com/news/2023/04/26/montana-transgender-lawmaker-barred-by-gop-from-house-floor-00094057

 

Edited April 27, 2023 by TallGuyJohninBKK

[Yellowtail]

52 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

The Republicans really know what side their backwoods bread is buttered on.  ????

 

If you ask me, it's a very peculiar, somewhat perverse obsession they seem to have developed...

 

The common-thinking American might think they have bigger, more important issues to concern themselves with.

 

What do you think is the most important thing to a parent? 

[Hanaguma]

51 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

Tell that to the Republican Party in Montana, USA. They didn't get the message:

 

Montana transgender lawmaker barred by GOP from House floor

Republicans barred Zooey Zephyr from the House floor for the rest of the 2023 session, acting in retribution for protests against a previous decision to silence her.

 

"HELENA, Mont. — Republicans in Montana barred transgender lawmaker Zooey Zephyr from the House floor for the rest of the 2023 session on Wednesday, in retribution for protests against a decision to silence her for telling colleagues they’d have blood on their hands for voting to ban gender-affirming medical care for children.

 

The punishment of the freshman lawmaker caps a weeklong standoff between House Republican leaders and Zephyr which concluded that she will still be able to vote remotely under terms of the punishment. She will be unable though to discuss proposals and amendments under consideration with the 99 other members of the Montana House."

 

https://www.politico.com/news/2023/04/26/montana-transgender-lawmaker-barred-by-gop-from-house-floor-00094057

 

Sure. Another spoiled lefty who has a tantrum when they dont get their way. If you lead a protest in the middle of the legislative session, what do you expect? Another very junior(first term) lawmaker who has no knowledge of or respect for their office.

[Yellowtail]

4 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

Sure. Another spoiled lefty who has a tantrum when they dont get their way. If you lead a protest in the middle of the legislative session, what do you expect? Another very junior(first term) lawmaker who has no knowledge of or respect for their office.

They'll probably be invited to the Whitehouse. 

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

Keep going down that road, and see where it lands the Republican Party...

Republican Party Loses One Of Its Biggest Donors: Billionaire Peter Thiel Says 'I'm Out'

...

"A business associate of Thiel's said that the Republican Party's recent focus on "culture war" issues drew him away from the party, citing the party’s position on abortion and transgender people's rights as examples.

 

The GOP should be more focused on how the U.S. can innovate and compete with China on the global market, said the source."

 

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/republican-party-loses-one-of-its-biggest-donors-billionaire-peter-thiel-says-i-m-out/

 

Edited April 27, 2023 by TallGuyJohninBKK

[Jingthing]

34 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

Keep going down that road, and see where it lands the Republican Party...

Republican Party Loses One Of Its Biggest Donors: Billionaire Peter Thiel Says 'I'm Out'

...

"A business associate of Thiel's said that the Republican Party's recent focus on "culture war" issues drew him away from the party, citing the party’s position on abortion and transgender people's rights as examples.

 

The GOP should be more focused on how the U.S. can innovate and compete with China on the global market, said the source."

 

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/republican-party-loses-one-of-its-biggest-donors-billionaire-peter-thiel-says-i-m-out/

 

Anti woke goes broke yuk yuk.

[Sametboy2019]

A traffic cone. It will be Trump though.

[bendejo]

5 hours ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

Republican Party Loses One Of Its Biggest Donors: Billionaire Peter Thiel Says 'I'm Out'

In it's own way, this is somewhat impressive.  I've considered this guy to be the Kanye of LGBT.

 

I think the money in politics stuff has reached it's tipping point in the US, meaning they've taken the campaigns as far as money can legally take them.  I recall during the 2012 campaign nearly every commercial on US daytime television was for the election, saw a clip of a little girl back then saying "I don't want any more Mitt Romney and Bronco Bama!"  Gearing up for the primaries in 2015 it was said that Jeb! had a $300 million war chest, and they were trying to come up with ways to spend it; at one point they put together a video tape selling the candidate, then someone realized no one has tape players any more, so the plan was to send the voters a player, with its own screen and the tape loaded, so the voter need only open the package, take out the player and push the button and there is Jeb!  I don't know if they ever actually went through with it, if someone has info please post a link.

Also, a big question of what happens to the $$$ left unspent when the campaign is over -- this is a truly bipartisan (lack of) concern.

 

 

[heybruce]

6 hours ago, Yellowtail said:

What do you think is the most important thing to a parent? 

Keeping their children safe.  I'm sure most parents worry more about school shootings than drag queens.

[Credo]

4 hours ago, heybruce said:

Keeping their children safe.  I'm sure most parents worry more about school shootings than drag queens.

Yeah, but, but, but they can do something about drag queens.  They can't do anything about school shootings (sarcasm emoticon needed).

[Skipalongcassidy]

On 4/26/2023 at 6:37 AM, Eleftheros said:

Anyone except Donald Trump.

Look what that got ya... hahaha... 

[Tug]

10 hours ago, Yellowtail said:

What do you think is the most important thing to a parent? 

Sometimes it seems what political party actually that’s not true the vast majority of the American people want stricter gun control but back to topic a young dynamic decent democrat just might beat Joe personally I don’t think any one on the Republican side can manly because they have no agenda and the maga nuts have so poisoned the party to the extent that not enough people trust them

[Yellowtail]

6 hours ago, heybruce said:

Keeping their children safe.  I'm sure most parents worry more about school shootings than drag queens.

But the schools are not promoting school shootings. 

 

Most parents are not stupid enough to believe the problem is guns, which have been around longer than any of us, and already have more restrictions than ever than ever. 

 

When were guns not readily available in the US? 

[bamnutsak]

Who can beat Biden? The Republican candidate.

 

 

A "no-label" candidate, like Manchin, said to be considering "other" election opportunities, would in theory swing the election from Biden to the Republican candidate.

 

The 2024 presidential election will again come down to four or five states, and probably fewer than 150,000 total votes. We all remember Ralph Nader in 2000, and Jill Stein in 2016.

 

 

[heybruce]

19 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

But the schools are not promoting school shootings. 

 

Most parents are not stupid enough to believe the problem is guns, which have been around longer than any of us, and already have more restrictions than ever than ever. 

 

When were guns not readily available in the US? 

When have guns been more readily available and more lethal than now in the US?

 

Answer:  Never.  When the US Constitution was approved the state of the art firearm was a muzzle loader rifle, and it was used primarily to put food on the table.  It also cost so much that few families could afford more than one.

 

Now anyone working a minimum wage job can earn enough for a high capacity semi-automatic handgun in a week, and they aren't used for hunting.

[heybruce]

10 minutes ago, bamnutsak said:

Who can beat Biden? The Republican candidate.

 

 

A "no-label" candidate, like Manchin, said to be considering "other" election opportunities, would in theory swing the election from Biden to the Republican candidate.

 

The 2024 presidential election will again come down to four or five states, and probably fewer than 150,000 total votes. We all remember Ralph Nader in 2000, and Jill Stein in 2016.

I don't know about Jill Stein, but Ralph Nader almost certainly swung the 2000 election to George W. Bush, just as Ross Perot almost certainly swung the 1992 election to Bill Clinton.

 

I don't know why the leaders of the Democratic and Republican parties aren't pushing for Rank Choice Voting.  With the current system a left-wing third party Presidential candidate will swing the election to the Republicans, and a right-wing candidate will guaranty a Democrat wins.  Currently the Republican seem more at risk of such an outcome than the Democrats.