EU Diplomats Concerned Over Possible Dissolution Of Major Party: Anutin

[webfact]

Bhumjaithai leader Anutin Charnvirakul holding talks with EU diplomats. Photo: Matichon

 

By Thai Newsroom Reporters

 

THE EUROPEAN UNION has raised concerns over the sustained possibility that a major Thai party contesting the May 14 general election might be dissolved by court sooner or later, according to Bhumjaithai leader Anutin Charnvirakul.

 

Ambassadors and other senior diplomats of the EU community attached to Bangkok, including those of France, Germany, Spain, Denmark, Sweden and the Netherlands, among others, today (Apr.26) visited the Bhumjaithai headquarters and met with Anutin and other executive members of the party to inquire, among other issues, the possibility of the dissolution of the Pheu Thai and others by the Constitutional Court, either before or after the nationwide election.

 

The EU diplomats were known to have inquired with the Bhumjaithai leader as to whether caretaker prime minister Prayut Chan-o-cha who is running to retain power under the Ruam Thai Sang Chart tickets could possibly enjoy “windfall” advantages, either before or after the May 14 election, only if his archrivals such as the Pheu Thai were dissolved by court.

 

Full story: https://thainewsroom.com/2023/04/26/eu-diplomats-concerned-over-possible-dissolution-of-major-party-anutin/

 

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[pegman]

Hopefully they threatened economic sanctions

[Dcheech]

 If you can't win at the ballot box. Nine years ago next month, and here we go again. Garf.

[hotchilli]

1 hour ago, webfact said:

The EU diplomats were known to have inquired with the Bhumjaithai leader as to whether caretaker prime minister Prayut Chan-o-cha who is running to retain power under the Ruam Thai Sang Chart tickets could possibly enjoy “windfall” advantages, either before or after the May 14 election, only if his archrivals such as the Pheu Thai were dissolved by court.

In other words, you are being watched.... last time around you dissolved the FFP..

We would not like to see a repeat performance of another main opposition party.

[SABloke]

This "news" article is basically hearsay. The use of the word "apparently" multiple times is a clear sign. 

 

Have any of these embassies actually confirmed asking these questions? 

[stoner]

dissolving other parties would then create the path of least resistance right ? 

Edited April 26, 2023 by stoner

[ikke1959]

Of course, they will use all kind of tricks to stay in power.. As we could see last time with Future Forward and now with predictions that the army influence is out of power, they will never accept that. Or dissolutions or a new coup...I hope that the world will punish this kind of so called democracy 

[spidermike007]

Just try it. This time the people would overthrow the army. There is alot of frustration with their failures and if they attempted to steal this election, things would get very ugly. Possibly fatal for the army leaders. 

[zzaa09]

1 hour ago, hotchilli said:

In other words, you are being watched.... last time around you dissolved the FFP..

We would not like to see a repeat performance of another main opposition party.

Should be expecting such.

It's what they do. 

[OneMoreFarang]

How would those diplomats react if a party in their home country would be under the control of a criminal fugitive? Would they think that is perfectly ok and let it happen?

No

So why do they protest if Thailand wants to dissolve the party of the criminal fugitive? 

[dinsdale]

26 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

Just try it. This time the people would overthrow the army. There is alot of frustration with their failures and if they attempted to steal this election, things would get very ugly. Possibly fatal for the army leaders. 

Yes things are different this time I agree. If Prayut wants a people's revolution this will be the way to do it.

[herfiehandbag]

18 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said:

How would those diplomats react if a party in their home country would be under the control of a criminal fugitive? Would they think that is perfectly ok and let it happen?

No

So why do they protest if Thailand wants to dissolve the party of the criminal fugitive? 

They might raise their eyebrows if that party was predicted to win.

Especially if that party had  already been prevented from winning by coups and interventions in three previous elections.

 

Perhaps they don't share your utter contempt for democracy, and the expressed political choice of the electorate.

 

And don't waste bandwidth by bleating pathetically about how you really just wish that the Thai people would vote for responsible politicians. There can be very few here that fail to understand that what you really mean is that they should only vote for the candidate you favour.

 

Why don't you trot along and arrange the flowers and cool boxes full of soft drinks, so you can pay your impromptu and spontaneous homage to the neofascists when they make their move?

Edited April 27, 2023 by herfiehandbag

[Enoon]

22 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said:

How would those diplomats react if a party in their home country would be under the control of a criminal fugitive? Would they think that is perfectly ok and let it happen?

No

So why do they protest if Thailand wants to dissolve the party of the criminal fugitive? 

Here we go........

[Enoon]

22 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said:

How would those diplomats react if a party in their home country would be under the control of a criminal fugitive? Would they think that is perfectly ok and let it happen?

No

So why do they protest if Thailand wants to dissolve the party of the criminal fugitive? 

 

So it's OK to contest the election.......but not to win it?

 

 

 

[dinsdale]

2 hours ago, SABloke said:

This "news" article is basically hearsay. The use of the word "apparently" multiple times is a clear sign. 

 

Have any of these embassies actually confirmed asking these questions? 

I guess you know nothing about diplomatic language. "sustained possibility" means they're onto something. Ambassadors and senior diplomats are not idiots and this information is coming from more than 6 nations embassies (or consulates) in BKK.

Asking questions? "The EU diplomats were known to have inquired with the Bhumjaithai leader...."

Edited April 27, 2023 by dinsdale

[soalbundy]

1 hour ago, spidermike007 said:

Just try it. This time the people would overthrow the army. There is alot of frustration with their failures and if they attempted to steal this election, things would get very ugly. Possibly fatal for the army leaders. 

I doubt that, Thais are apathetic in general regarding politics (Bangkok is perhaps an exception) I asked my wife who she will vote for, she said, nobody, they are all corrupt and it will never change, who cares if there is a coup it wont affect my daily life, in fact a coup would be good for us as the Baht would fall and my pension would be worth more.

[ThailandRyan]

Reading in between the lines this is more about Anutins Bhumjaithai party being dissolved as they are already in the crosshairs of several lawsuits being filed to dissolve them

 

https://thainewsroom.com/2022/10/18/anutin-shrugs-off-party-dissolution-bid-over-free-marijuana-campaign/

[dinsdale]

24 minutes ago, ThailandRyan said:

Reading in between the lines this is more about Anutins Bhumjaithai party being dissolved as they are already in the crosshairs of several lawsuits being filed to dissolve them

 

https://thainewsroom.com/2022/10/18/anutin-shrugs-off-party-dissolution-bid-over-free-marijuana-campaign/

Not sure what lines your reading between

 

5 hours ago, webfact said:

the possibility of the dissolution of the Pheu Thai and others by the Constitutional Court, either before or after the nationwide election.

 

5 hours ago, webfact said:

The EU diplomats were known to have inquired with the Bhumjaithai leader as to whether caretaker prime minister Prayut Chan-o-cha who is running to retain power under the Ruam Thai Sang Chart tickets could possibly enjoy “windfall” advantages, either before or after the May 14 election, only if his archrivals such as the Pheu Thai were dissolved by court.

 

[TigerandDog]

1 hour ago, OneMoreFarang said:

How would those diplomats react if a party in their home country would be under the control of a criminal fugitive? Would they think that is perfectly ok and let it happen?

No

So why do they protest if Thailand wants to dissolve the party of the criminal fugitive? 

You really are obsessed about Thaksin aren't you.  What did he ever do to you for you to have so much hate for the man?

The only difference between him and those in power now is this. They are all criminals with the exception that he is in exile.

So one would hope that when all the current criminals in power are gone and convicted and have to go into exile that you'll have as much hate for them.

You really need to get over yourself on this issue.

Edited April 27, 2023 by TigerandDog

[jacko45k]

2 minutes ago, TigerandDog said:

You really are obsessed about Thaksin aren't you.  What did he ever do to you for you to have so much hate for the man?

Were you here when he was in power? His mug was everywhere plastered on posters to walls....that alone........

[Denim]

2 hours ago, OneMoreFarang said:

So why do they protest if Thailand wants to dissolve the party of the criminal fugitive? 

Criminal fugitive vs criminals who have granted themselves amnesty for anything they do wrong and who ban anybody who threatens their hegemony.

 

Unfortunately Thaksin is not really a criminal. They had to move the goal posts just to incriminate him.

 

People often complain that Thaksin had an army of highly paid and qualified legal experts that he would sic on anybody who tried to obstruct him. Those people should ask themselves why , if that is true , those legal experts would allow him to do anything that wasn't legal thereby making it easy for his enemies to ensnare him. They were always at his side making sure he stayed within the law.

[RichardColeman]

Anyone know if the EU diplomats were actually democratically voted into their position or not ? Be pot calling the kettle black if not

[Srikcir]

The EU is just chasing butterflies. Diplomats doing their job talking diplomacy.

2014: in response to Prayut's military coup, the EU (sorry delayed edit because of login issues) suspended all official visits to the country and shelving important agreements to back up calls for an urgent return to democratic rule. (no return until the 2018 election announcement)

2017: the EU resumes political contact at all levels with Thailand after PM Prayut announced a general election in Nov. 2018.

But the government would not end a political ban that would allow political parties to campaign ahead of the vote. And the government controlled the Senate which will be allowed to vote for PM should there not be a 51% majority in the House for PM.

The House pro-military coalition passed several amendments to the Political Parties Act that made it easier for small political parties to gain minor number of seats (diluting seats a new party could take), and harder for new large parties to garner large number of seats. Then after the election what appears to be a pro-military controlled Constitutional Court (oddly remained in place despite the military dissolving the 2007 constitution and rewritting one of its own) moves to disqualify the leader of one of the new larger political parties. 

But the EU just saw an election in 2018 being announced and quickly resumed all suspended relations with Thailand Prayut government. A Paper Tiger.

Edited April 27, 2023 by Srikcir
forgot to finish comment

[OneMoreFarang]

10 minutes ago, TigerandDog said:

You really are obsessed about Thaksin aren't you.  What did he ever do to you for you to have so much hate for the man?

The only difference between him and those in power now is this. They are all criminals with the exception that he is in exile.

So one would hope that when all the current criminals in power are gone and convicted and have to go into exile that you'll have as much hate for them.

You really need to get over yourself on this issue.

I live in Thailand since before Thaksin came to power.

As far as I experienced it, nobody divided Thailand like he did. His whole politics is about us against them.

He is obviously not the only corrupt politician, but he was corrupt so much in the open like showing everybody the middle finger and asking: What will you do again my corruption?

And then he found out what the military did against him. And at least in Bangkok many people were happy that he was removed.

And then came the bloody red-shirts, financed and directed by him. They terrorized the streets of Bangkok and later they occupied the center of Bangkok for three months. With barricades and war weapons and later with fire and looting. All directed by Thaksin so that he can get "his" money back.

The list goes on and on and on.

 

Now look at the current government. Did they do a good job. No, not really. But to be fair Covid didn't make it easy to do a good job. Did the current government try to divide the people in Thailand further? I don't think so.

 

What will happen if Thaksin's daughter will be elected? He will rule, that is obvious. And what will he do? Likely exactly what he did before. Divide the people. And obviously he wants revenge. Will any of that be good for Thailand? No.

 

If you think I am obsessed, then maybe wait a few months and look if he will be back in power and then see what happens. And maybe then you will understand why I don't want that history repeats itself. 

[OneMoreFarang]

8 minutes ago, Denim said:

Unfortunately Thaksin is not really a criminal.

Just look at the evidence. There is no doubt at all that he is a criminal. 

[sammieuk1]

Who needs windfall advantages when you have a load of long barrels ????

[zzaa09]

2 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

Just try it. This time the people would overthrow the army. There is alot of frustration with their failures and if they attempted to steal this election, things would get very ugly. Possibly fatal for the army leaders. 

Overthrow the army by way of the people. ????

That's rich. 

 

 

More than likely more frustration among the circles of deluded Farang, for whatever reasoning think they know what's what and what's not within this society. Pitiful. 

[Pink Mist]

Troll posts have been removed.

[Geir Rasch]

2 hours ago, OneMoreFarang said:

How would those diplomats react if a party in their home country would be under the control of a criminal fugitive? Would they think that is perfectly ok and let it happen?

No

So why do they protest if Thailand wants to dissolve the party of the criminal fugitive? 

Stupid comment!

Thaksin’s and Yingluck’s convictions is pure political. They are no more criminal than the general that stole the government with a coup 8 years ago and the generals before that in 2006.

You should instead ask: How would those diplomats react in their home country if the army made a coup and dissolved the legitim government?

[ThailandRyan]

27 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said:

Just look at the evidence. There is no doubt at all that he is a criminal. 

And Prayut and his cronies are not criminals in your book.  All politicians are corrupt in this country.  Prayut gave himself immunity, now why would he do that?  Dissolution of parties is reckless in my book, and only certain politicians, who are proven corrupt, should truly be banned. Just look at the ones from the PPRP that have already been removed by the courts.