2 hours ago, HappyExpat57 said:

Yes, something must be done about future policies, but ignoring the past rather than using the past as a guide is just what Republicans WANT you to think.

 

The greatest economy ever created on this planet was just after WW II. The corporate taxes were high, but there were MANY tax deductions for just about anything that would help society. Corporations won't contribute unless forced to do so, that's just the nature of corporate mentality. This setup encouraged them to give back to the economy that helped them get very wealthy.

 

As a result, anyone willing to work had a job. A one income family could buy a house and send their kids to college. Corporations still made a hefty profit and EVERYONE BENEFITED.

 

Enter corporate greed, starting with union busting Ronald Reagan and that "trickle down" nonsense. Ever since then, the US economy has been brought to its knees. Corporate profits skyrocketed but so did homelessness. Two income families can barely get by, college loans have shackled entire generations resulting in low home ownership, and the future looks grim for some time to come. We are living in the Golden Age version 2.0.

 

I encourage folks who haven't tried to learn how to walk and chew gum at the same time - give it a go. Yes, focus on the future which needs serious fixing, but learn lessons from the past and apply them.

The World is a very different place to what it was in the 1950's and the World has moved on and it wont be going back to the 1950s again anytime soon .

   The policies that worked in the 1950s wont necessarily work today 

1 hour ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

The World is a very different place to what it was in the 1950's and the World has moved on and it wont be going back to the 1950s again anytime soon .

   The policies that worked in the 1950s wont necessarily work today 

Wrong. Yes, technology is changing at a frightening pace, but basic macro-economics is an axiom. By that, I mean when corporations get too greedy at the cost of employee well-being, the entire economy suffers.

 

Here are facts:

 

1. The US is the largest (note: not greatest) economy on earth.

2. Income inequality in the U.S. is the highest of all the G7 nations.

3. The US has the highest ratio between CEO and average employee salary.

4. The US has legalized bribing government officials in the form of lobbyists, creating laws to facilitate the above three facts.

 

People die every year in the US from lack of affording heat for their homes, they die of starvation, they die because they can't afford their medications. These are basic wrongs that the largest economy in recorded history COULD eliminate but WON'T. Poverty is a man-made construct and until the overall corporate greed is reigned in, the cost to society remains too high.

 

To quote Pearl S. Buck, "“When the rich are too rich there are ways, and when the poor are too poor there are ways."

A Baiting personal attack has been removed. Stay civil.

 

More comments like the one removed will result in a posting suspension. 

15 hours ago, EVENKEEL said:

Lie's nah, insults by the dozens though.

Every time 45 opens his mouth, a lie falls out.

1 minute ago, HappyExpat57 said:

Every time 45 opens his mouth, a lie falls out.

Why do the left have to lie to make their point that Trump is a liar? It does not smack of an honest stance when they must resort to personal attack and lies IMO

 

Watched the whole town hall yesterday, have to admit it was an impressive performance. A nice combo of humour, sharp witted jabs and truth bombs. 9.5/10 nice one Mr Trump!!

1 minute ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

Why do the left have to lie to make their point that Trump is a liar? It does not smack of an honest stance when they must resort to personal attack and lies IMO

 

Watched the whole town hall yesterday, have to admit it was an impressive performance. A nice combo of humour, sharp witted jabs and truth bombs. 9.5/10 nice one Mr Trump!!

The former president has been proven to be one of the biggest liars in history, and the CNN town hall was rife with his "alternate facts." I won't provide the numerous links available describing them. I've had debates with supporters of the former president, facts bounce off them.

 

I do challenge you to find and present facts, not opinions, that support him NOT being a bald faced liar.

Everytime a poster claims Trump did an excellent job sparring with CNN host, the only defense is "Trump Lies" Newsflash people politicians lie, biden lies. If it comes down to biden vs Trump, I bet Trump takes the cake home.

10 hours ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

I was thinking about the future and future policies and what should be done, rather than what has happened in the past

Yes, given how the past belies the Republicans alleged concerns about the deficit, that's probably the only route you can take. Because since the high  level of the deficit problem is entirely due to Republican tax cuts starting with Reagan and the big lie that supported them, if one were to consider the past. the sensible course would be to undo those tax cuts.

27 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

Everytime a poster claims Trump did an excellent job sparring with CNN host, the only defense is "Trump Lies" Newsflash people politicians lie, biden lies. If it comes down to biden vs Trump, I bet Trump takes the cake home.

Yes everybody lies. But frequency counts. And when someone repeatedly tells bald-faced lies, as Trump did during the townhall, that's a remarkable achievement.

FactChecking Trump’s CNN Town Hall

https://www.factcheck.org/2023/05/factchecking-trumps-cnn-town-hall/

I do wonder what would be a longer list: the false things Trump asserted or the true things.

23 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

Every time a poster claims Trump did an excellent job sparring with CNN host, the only defense is "Trump Lies" Newsflash people politicians lie, Biden lies. If it comes down to Biden vs Trump, I bet Trump takes the cake home.

YUGE difference between stretching the truth (as all politicians do) and stating horrific lies, the biggest one being how the election was stolen from former 45. It's been proven again and again ad nauseum that it was a fair election, yet the gaslighting that's been done has duped willing lemmings to bleat the same lie, over and over. There's no getting through thick skulls that refuse to see truth or accept facts, particularly when there are talking heads like Kellyanne Conway spewing "alternative facts."

4 minutes ago, placeholder said:

I do wonder what would be a longer list: the false things Trump asserted or the true things.

You really wonder? Obviously almost all lies.

Baiting troll post along with an off topic post on Biden removed from the same member

11 hours ago, placeholder said:

Or call the Republicans' bluff. They've certainly had no problems with deficits when Republicans held the Presidency,. The problem with the Repubicans' plan is that deficits aren't really high on the lost of concerns of most Americans.

They are now.

2 minutes ago, nauseus said:

They are now.

Not really. But if the fascist party forces a debt default crashing the dollar, the stock market, and global economies, now that will be a big issue. 

55 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Yes everybody lies. But frequency counts. And when someone repeatedly tells bald-faced lies, as Trump did during the townhall, that's a remarkable achievement.

FactChecking Trump’s CNN Town Hall

https://www.factcheck.org/2023/05/factchecking-trumps-cnn-town-hall/

Now this is exactly what I'm talking about. They "fact check" Trump by using their own opinions and more often than not Trump is more correct than the fact checker. For example

 

Fact check "He wrongly claimed that U.S. gasoline prices reached $9 under Biden. The highest weekly average price under Biden was about $5 in June 2022."

 

Actual reality "MENDOCINO, Calif. -- If you think gas prices are bad here in the Central Valley, be glad you're not filling up in the Northern California community of Mendocino.

Schlafer's Auto Repair is selling regular gas for $9.60 for a gallon."

https://abc30.com/california-gas-10-dollars-a-gallon-highest-prices-in-country-mendocino/11932601/

 

So technically he is correct, yes OK it's not a national average but he did not claim the national average was $9. I'd say Trump is clearly more on the factual side than the fact checker. And most of the fact checks are questionable for the same reason.

13 minutes ago, nauseus said:

They are now.

If you mean that not raising the debt ceiling is more of a concern, than you have a point. But if you mean that the fact that there are deficits is more of a concern, you got any evidence for that?

Various commentators have pointed out that the most notable moments from this event were probably the numerous statements made by Trump that may well serve to deepen his legal jeapordy.

 

He said things that would have prosecutors on the January 6 and Mar-a-Lago documents cases pricking their ears up and repeated his defamatory language against E. Jean Carroll - a move that could see her suing him again.

 

How Trump’s CNN Town Hall Remarks Put Him in Greater Legal Peril

1 minute ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

Now this is exactly what I'm talking about. They "fact check" Trump by using their own opinions and more often than not Trump is more correct than the fact checker. For example

 

Fact check "He wrongly claimed that U.S. gasoline prices reached $9 under Biden. The highest weekly average price under Biden was about $5 in June 2022."

 

Actual reality "MENDOCINO, Calif. -- If you think gas prices are bad here in the Central Valley, be glad you're not filling up in the Northern California community of Mendocino.

Schlafer's Auto Repair is selling regular gas for $9.60 for a gallon."

https://abc30.com/california-gas-10-dollars-a-gallon-highest-prices-in-country-mendocino/11932601/

 

So technically he is correct, yes OK it's not a national average but he did not claim the national average was $9. I'd say Trump is clearly more on the factual side than the fact checker. And most of the fact checks are questionable for the same reason.

You found the one questionable item in the list.  He made 3 claims about the elections that were false He made 2 claims about borders and immigration that were false. He made 2 claims about illegal possession of documents that were false. And a false about abortion.

And these weren't the only falsehoods. For instance he claimed during the CNN Townhall that he was referring to stars' being entitled to be sexually aggressive  and that he didn't consider himself a star. Yet during the deposition he said exactly that. He claimed his tax cuts were the biggest in history. Fortunately, they were not.

3 hours ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

Why do the left have to lie to make their point that Trump is a liar? It does not smack of an honest stance when they must resort to personal attack and lies IMO

 

Watched the whole town hall yesterday, have to admit it was an impressive performance. A nice combo of humour, sharp witted jabs and truth bombs. 9.5/10 nice one Mr Trump!!

There was a Cnn segment after the town hall asking Trump voters what they thought and the Cnn rep just couldn’t help himself by attacking 

Trump . 
The first person was asked after he set the stage that Trump is a notorious liar and something about does it bother you  he keeps talking about 2020 and not 2024!

They replied to the effect,its your narrative you keep asking about 2020.It was the first thing you asked instead of current stuff!

Kudo’s to Mr. Lesly

 

 

 

 

Trump appeals to billionaires and easily led fools. Check your bank account to see which one you are.

17 hours ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Some people listen to the whole interview , rather than just reading a few sentences and shouting "LIAR , LIAR"

The link provided by another poster, which listed the "fact checks" on trumps speech should be enough to convince any sane person that trump lies, but it would seem that once trumpies have joined the cult and gone down the rabbit hole, they can't see just how much of a low rent circus clown trump is.

 

He will always lie, it's what he does best and he knows that his supporters like to hear his lies, although the problem being that they are not intelligent enough to see them for what they are, and this post fits that category.

 

Simply unbelievable that this huckster can fool so many people, but then again there has to be some inherent problem within these people to want to believe him??

13 minutes ago, riclag said:

There was a Cnn segment after the town hall asking Trump voters what they thought and the Cnn rep just couldn’t help himself by attacking 

Trump . 
The first person was asked after he set the stage that Trump is a notorious liar and something about does it bother you  he keeps talking about 2020 and not 2024!

They replied to the effect,its your narrative you keep asking about 2020.It was the first thing you asked instead of current stuff!

Kudo’s to Mr. Lesly

 

 

 

Hypocrisy, your name is CNN.  Why doesnt CNN stop talking about 2020? Why did they spend 20 minutes of the townhall talking about it and only 3 minutes on the economy?  This guy, just like the town hall, leads with 2020 and with no sense of irony hammers away for 5 of the seven minutes on 2020.  Even after the members of the panel agree that talking about 2024 is more important, the guy just cant help himself. He is so wrapped up in his narrative and narrow world view that he has no option but to keep pounding away with little regard for anything else. 

 

3 hours ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

Why do the left have to lie to make their point that Trump is a liar? It does not smack of an honest stance when they must resort to personal attack and lies IMO

 

Watched the whole town hall yesterday, have to admit it was an impressive performance. A nice combo of humour, sharp witted jabs and truth bombs. 9.5/10 nice one Mr Trump!!

Try reading this link all the way through and then explain why you believe it is wrong.

 

https://www.factcheck.org/2023/05/factchecking-trumps-cnn-town-hall/

All debates and interviews should be immediately fact checked by ChatGBT.  Networks should all have a 3 second delay, then if the ChatGBT says it is a false statement, that statement is muted when aired 3 seconds later.

For pete's sake, we have the technology ,use it in real time so listeners do not have to wait and go to a fact checking site later (which many will not do)

Also this will not give followers any more claims, saying they "heard" it from their prophet so it must be true.   

Simple solution IMO

11 minutes ago, xylophone said:

The link provided by another poster, which listed the "fact checks" on trumps speech should be enough to convince any sane person that trump lies, but it would seem that once trumpies have joined the cult and gone down the rabbit hole, they can't see just how much of a low rent circus clown trump is.

 

He will always lie, it's what he does best and he knows that his supporters like to hear his lies, although the problem being that they are not intelligent enough to see them for what they are, and this post fits that category.

 

Simply unbelievable that this huckster can fool so many people, but then again there has to be some inherent problem within these people to want to believe him??  [I added the emphasis to this post to clarify what I am referring to.]

In my real life, I have eliminated most of his supporters because of their general outlook on life. However, some of them were not at all unintelligent. They all did have a common streak of white nationalist running through their veins, and the ones I can't completely remove for sake of keeping peace in the family admit they know they are being lied to but really don't care.

 

This is not to say all 45 supporters are white nationalists. I am saying all the ones I once knew were.

35 minutes ago, johnnybangkok said:

Trump appeals to billionaires and easily led fools. Check your bank account to see which one you are.

Really?

According to Forbes Magazine, in the campaign of 2020 there were 150 billionaires under the big spenders for Biden and 108 for Trump.

Must be fake news then, I guess...

59 minutes ago, HappyExpat57 said:

In my real life, I have eliminated most of his supporters because of their general outlook on life. However, some of them were not at all unintelligent. They all did have a common streak of white nationalist running through their veins, and the ones I can't completely remove for sake of keeping peace in the family admit they know they are being lied to but really don't care.

 

This is not to say all 45 supporters are white nationalists. I am saying all the ones I once knew were.

Not all Trump supporters are racist but all racists are Trump supporters. 

51 minutes ago, JustAnotherHun said:

Really?

According to Forbes Magazine, in the campaign of 2020 there were 150 billionaires under the big spenders for Biden and 108 for Trump.

Must be fake news then, I guess...

That’s easily explained. Some billionaires have a conscience. 

Just now, johnnybangkok said:

That’s easily explained. Some billionaires have a conscience. 

Maybe, But it has nothing to do with the post I replied to.