Social Media Posted June 12, 2023 Share Posted June 12, 2023 Donald Trump will have another day in court on Tuesday, when he is due to surrender to authorities in Miami to face charges that he mishandled classified documents. The first former president ever to face federal charges, he is accused of 37 criminal counts of unauthorised possession of classified material, obstruction of justice and making false statements to law enforcement. Mr Trump's court appearance is his second in less than three months. He was arraigned in April in New York on charges that he falsified business records for a 2016 hush-money payment to a porn star. But that is a state-level case and much less serious than the one he is now facing. Florida officials are bracing for protests from supporters and opponents. Here's how we expect Tuesday's arraignment to unfold. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post earlinclaifornia Posted June 13, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted June 13, 2023 Most of us could not handle this sort of humiliation but Trump can. 1 2 1 1 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post bamnutsak Posted June 13, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted June 13, 2023 Want to see his real height, without his shoe lifts, in the mug shot. And how the burnt umber make-up looks. Some of the Watergate conspirators mug shots are classics. AG John Mitchell for example. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ThaiFelix Posted June 13, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted June 13, 2023 He'll just get up and say hes never heard of this Donald Trump fella. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post LosLobo Posted June 13, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted June 13, 2023 (edited) From the OP....... 'Normally, defendants who appear.....in court are handcuffed and get their fingerprints and mugshots taken. But legal experts do not expect the former president to face the same procedures as any other defendant'. Very disappointing that Trump is not getting equal justice here even when the GOP are calling for equal justice but for all the wrong reasons. A similar case is Jack Teixeira, the 21-year-old airman charged in connection with the leaked documents probe. Teixeira was charged with illegally removing, retaining and transmitting classified documents under the Espionage Act. The judge called Teixeira disloyal to the U S into how he accessed top secret documents. He was handcuffed and wore a tan jumpsuit when arraigned ,was denied bail and jailed until his trial because of flight risk and risk to obstruct justice. How Trump’s Indictment Compares to Other Espionage Act Cases - The Washington Post (googleusercontent.com) Edited June 13, 2023 by LosLobo 2 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post candide Posted June 13, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted June 13, 2023 (edited) 43 minutes ago, LosLobo said: From the OP....... 'Normally, defendants who appear.....in court are handcuffed and get their fingerprints and mugshots taken. But legal experts do not expect the former president to face the same procedures as any other defendant'. Very disappointing that Trump is not getting equal justice here even when the GOP are calling for equal justice but for all the wrong reasons. A similar case is Jack Teixeira, the 21-year-old airman charged in connection with the leaked documents probe. Teixeira was charged with illegally removing, retaining and transmitting classified documents under the Espionage Act. The judge called Teixeira disloyal to the U S into how he accessed top secret documents. He was handcuffed and wore a tan jumpsuit when arraigned ,was denied bail and jailed until his trial because of flight risk and risk to obstruct justice. How Trump’s Indictment Compares to Other Espionage Act Cases - The Washington Post (googleusercontent.com) I'm tired of these double-standards! If Trump were just a normal citizen, he would have been already convicted and put into jail. Edited June 13, 2023 by candide 1 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Purdey Posted June 13, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted June 13, 2023 Treating him differently from a normal person says something about the law. He should be treated equally with others charged with espionage. It is a serious crime. 1 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyExpat57 Posted June 13, 2023 Share Posted June 13, 2023 5 hours ago, bamnutsak said: Want to see his real height, without his shoe lifts, in the mug shot. And how the burnt umber make-up looks. Some of the Watergate conspirators mug shots are classics. AG John Mitchell for example. Apparently the legal system is gonna do a better job of keeping his mug shot from the public than the government does with top secret nuclear documents. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottiejohn Posted June 13, 2023 Share Posted June 13, 2023 1 hour ago, HappyExpat57 said: Apparently the legal system is gonna do a better job of keeping his mug shot from the public than the government does with top secret nuclear documents. Better than Trump does! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post candide Posted June 13, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted June 13, 2023 This is going to be good! At what time should we sit in front of TV with popcorn? 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post heybruce Posted June 13, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted June 13, 2023 I posted this on another topic, but it's good enough to post twice: "Donald Trump spent the day before his historic appearance in federal court scrambling to find a qualified Florida lawyer willing to join his defense team as he faces the Justice Department’s first prosecution of a former president." "Several prominent Florida attorneys declined to take Trump on as a client after two of the key lawyers handling the documents matter — Jim Trusty and John Rowley — resigned last week, according to people familiar with the matter." "Trusty and Rowley’s departure was sudden and unexpected, leaving Trump jockeying to identify a lawyer ahead of his Tuesday appearance in federal court in Miami, where rules require practicing attorneys to be a member in good standing of the Florida bar or to be sponsored by one before appearing." https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2023/06/12/trump-documents-lawyer/ 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post scottiejohn Posted June 13, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted June 13, 2023 55 minutes ago, candide said: This is going to be good! At what time should we sit in front of TV with popcorn? All year! 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bamnutsak Posted June 13, 2023 Share Posted June 13, 2023 2 hours ago, HappyExpat57 said: Apparently the legal system is gonna do a better job of keeping his mug shot from the public than the government does with top secret nuclear documents. Seems like the current reading for Federal crimes is that mug shots cannot be released. Detroit Free Press Inc. v. U.S. Dep't of Justice https://casetext.com/case/detroit-free-press-inc-v-us-dept-of-justice-2 https://www.politico.com/blogs/under-the-radar/2016/07/mugshots-federal-criminal-suspects-225546 The 6th Circuit decision does not mean that federal mugshots will never see the light of day. It leaves open the possibility that they could be released in response to FOIA requests on a case-by-case basis, perhaps when there are credible allegations of police abuse or in cases of unusual public interest. In addition, federal authorities sometimes choose to release mugshots outside the FOIA process, like when officials are seeking a suspect. Varies for state crimes by state, unsurprisingly. Florida Mug shots are subject to public inspection unless they are exempt criminal intelligence information or are otherwise exempt. Fla. Stat. § 119.071(2)(c)(1) (2020). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat is a type of crazy Posted June 13, 2023 Share Posted June 13, 2023 1 hour ago, candide said: This is going to be good! At what time should we sit in front of TV with popcorn? Trump won't be seen as he enters by a tunnel and they'll be 100 reporters filming some protesters and getting their amazing insights into why they think Trump's been wronged. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyExpat57 Posted June 13, 2023 Share Posted June 13, 2023 27 minutes ago, Fat is a type of crazy said: Trump won't be seen as he enters by a tunnel and they'll be 100 reporters filming some protesters and getting their amazing insights into why they think Trump's been wronged. Most likely there will be more media folks than protesters. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tug Posted June 13, 2023 Share Posted June 13, 2023 We won’t see much aside from (any) protesters unfortunately he will be appearing before a judge who appears to be an acolyte of trump she most likely will do everything she can to do his bidding if her past rulings are considered.just lock him up allready enough humiliation of our country! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post earlinclaifornia Posted June 13, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted June 13, 2023 4 minutes ago, Tug said: We won’t see much aside from (any) protesters unfortunately he will be appearing before a judge who appears to be an acolyte of trump she most likely will do everything she can to do his bidding if her past rulings are considered.just lock him up allready enough humiliation of our country! I read she is still the Judge but a Magistrate will take on this first appearance 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moogradod Posted June 13, 2023 Share Posted June 13, 2023 4 minutes ago, Tug said: We won’t see much aside from (any) protesters unfortunately he will be appearing before a judge who appears to be an acolyte of trump she most likely will do everything she can to do his bidding if her past rulings are considered.just lock him up allready enough humiliation of our country! And then her ruling could possibly be challenged at a higher instance if it is obviously wrong ? It cannot be that the whole case now depends on one single person despite obvious evidence - or is this OK in the US ? I would not be surprized. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pink Mist Posted June 13, 2023 Share Posted June 13, 2023 Two flame posts with one using disguised profanity have been removed. Stay civil, and do not post vulgarities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozimoron Posted June 13, 2023 Share Posted June 13, 2023 Watching the "protest" outside the Miami courthouse live. I have more fingers on one hand than there are protesters. They mostly look over 70 and, strangely, all white and male. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skeptic7 Posted June 13, 2023 Share Posted June 13, 2023 This Trump appointed "judge" is as unscrupulous as he is. She's in his pocket and has already been overruled TWICE by higher courts for abuse of power, as she made totally unjustified Trump favorable rulings. Almost as if she doesn't even know LAW. Hopefully this gross Trumpism and gross Trump sycophantic insanity ends soon...with him behind bars❗ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozimoron Posted June 13, 2023 Share Posted June 13, 2023 One protester, looks older than Biden, singing a Johnny Cash song with modified lyrics. Sheesh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardColeman Posted June 13, 2023 Share Posted June 13, 2023 Personally - love him or hate him - I think this event sparks the end of the USA. There is now one president overseeing the potential imprisonment of his biggest rival for the next election. This is Bannana Republic stuff. Imagine what the USA would say about another country doing it Biden who has done basically exactly the same as trump with documents and not a sausage of a prosecution by the DOJ and FBI - these agencies just sign off false Russian dossiers against Trump, whilst stating Hunter's laptop was fake. I have no issues with a prosecution against Trump, but heavens, even it out or look exactly what you are, the new Democrat states of America. I full expect if Biden gets in again, that there their will be referendums by states to leave the USA 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post honcho Posted June 13, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted June 13, 2023 12 hours ago, candide said: I'm tired of these double-standards! If Trump were just a normal citizen, he would have been already convicted and put into jail. if america wasnt a sespit of corruption the equal standards would have seen hillari , biden and son already jailed for corruption and Trump would be president!! fingers crosse Trump will win this time and have Biden prosecuted for his bribary!!!! 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
candide Posted June 13, 2023 Share Posted June 13, 2023 (edited) Error Edited June 13, 2023 by candide Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
candide Posted June 13, 2023 Share Posted June 13, 2023 1 hour ago, honcho said: if america wasnt a sespit of corruption the equal standards would have seen hillari , biden and son already jailed for corruption and Trump would be president!! fingers crosse Trump will win this time and have Biden prosecuted for his bribary!!!! Thank you for your valuable contribution! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jerrymahoney Posted June 13, 2023 Share Posted June 13, 2023 6 hours ago, RichardColeman said: I full expect if Biden gets in again, that there their will be referendums by states to leave the USA No, Texas can’t legally secede from the U.S., despite popular mythThe theme of independence has recurred throughout the history of Texas, which was a republic from 1836–45. But the Civil War established that a state cannot secede. If there were any doubt remaining after this matter, the late Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia set it to rest when he asked by a screenwriter in 2006 whether there was a legal basis for secession. In his response, he wrote: “The answer is clear,” Scalia wrote. “If there was any constitutional issue resolved by the Civil War, it is that there is no right to secede. https://www.texastribune.org/2021/01/29/texas-secession/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post heybruce Posted June 13, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted June 13, 2023 7 hours ago, RichardColeman said: Personally - love him or hate him - I think this event sparks the end of the USA. There is now one president overseeing the potential imprisonment of his biggest rival for the next election. This is Bannana Republic stuff. Imagine what the USA would say about another country doing it Biden who has done basically exactly the same as trump with documents and not a sausage of a prosecution by the DOJ and FBI - these agencies just sign off false Russian dossiers against Trump, whilst stating Hunter's laptop was fake. I have no issues with a prosecution against Trump, but heavens, even it out or look exactly what you are, the new Democrat states of America. I full expect if Biden gets in again, that there their will be referendums by states to leave the USA "Biden who has done basically exactly the same as trump with documents and not a sausage of a prosecution by the DOJ and FBI" Really? Did Biden refuse to return documents, attempt to hide them, show classified to uncleared people, etc.? If not, stop lying. 4 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post earlinclaifornia Posted June 14, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted June 14, 2023 9 hours ago, RichardColeman said: Personally - love him or hate him - I think this event sparks the end of the USA. There is now one president overseeing the potential imprisonment of his biggest rival for the next election. This is Bannana Republic stuff. Imagine what the USA would say about another country doing it Biden who has done basically exactly the same as trump with documents and not a sausage of a prosecution by the DOJ and FBI - these agencies just sign off false Russian dossiers against Trump, whilst stating Hunter's laptop was fake. I have no issues with a prosecution against Trump, but heavens, even it out or look exactly what you are, the new Democrat states of America. I full expect if Biden gets in again, that there their will be referendums by states to leave the USA Pretty wild imagination. Maybe a lesson in American History it's probably a good time. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post bamnutsak Posted June 14, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted June 14, 2023 10 hours ago, RichardColeman said: I full expect if Biden gets in again, that there their will be referendums by states to leave the USA Do tell. A referendum to secede is not a thing, and it never was. Do you understand what a referendum is? Are you American? I think you're being overly hysterical with your prognostications. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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