It is easy to overlook the fact that something larger is at stake amid the Conservative party’s midsummer mayhem. Something larger, for sure, than Boris Johnson’s petulance or Nadine Dorries’ attention-seeking. Something affecting us all, not just the Tory party. Something that underlies everything else about current British politics and will outlast the current excitement. That something is the future of Brexit.

Yes, Johnson’s latest self-centred lord-of-misrule melodrama is remarkable even by his own standards. Yes, Dorries’ latest career move, going postal in parliament, on the run from her own resignation, is providing a suitably disturbing coda to an already dauntingly disturbing political career. And, yes, Rishi Sunak’s laboriously constructed authority as prime minister is again under threat from the intemperate disloyalty that has become the default setting of a section of the Tory party.

Actually 52% of people who voted were Brexit. 

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_United_Kingdom_European_Union_membership_referendum

 

 

The UK is not a dictatorship. Johnson wasn't even PM when we voted to leave in the Democratic vote.

 

The UK is currently doing better than many EU countries, including the economic powerhouse Germany.

 

https://www.cnbc.com/2023/06/08/euro-zone-enters-recession-after-germany-ireland-growth-revision.html

 

Seems like Brexit wasn't such a cliff edge after all.

 

https://www.cnbc.com/2023/03/10/uk-economy-rebounds-with-stronger-than-expected-january-gdp-print.html

 

This is simply The Guardian trying to spin Johnson's poor decision to have a party into rejoining the EU. Desperate stuff even by their standards ????.

3 hours ago, JonnyF said:

Actually 52% of people who voted were Brexit. 

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_United_Kingdom_European_Union_membership_referendum

 

 

The UK is not a dictatorship. Johnson wasn't even PM when we voted to leave in the Democratic vote.

 

The UK is currently doing better than many EU countries, including the economic powerhouse Germany.

 

https://www.cnbc.com/2023/06/08/euro-zone-enters-recession-after-germany-ireland-growth-revision.html

 

Seems like Brexit wasn't such a cliff edge after all.

 

https://www.cnbc.com/2023/03/10/uk-economy-rebounds-with-stronger-than-expected-january-gdp-print.html

 

This is simply The Guardian trying to spin Johnson's poor decision to have a party into rejoining the EU. Desperate stuff even by their standards ????.

And yet public opinion consistently turning against Brexit.

 

Even Farage says Brexit has failed.

 

Not true in any way at all.

 

Boris Johnson was only 1 person with 1 vote in the referendum.

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/politics/eu_referendum/results

 

Leave
Vote share
51.9%
VOTES 17,410,742 VOTES
Remain
Vote share
48.1%
VOTES 16,141,241 VOTES

 

33,551,983 people actually voted with Leave
Vote share
51.9%
VOTES 17,410,742 VOTES
Remain
Vote share
48.1%
VOTES 16,141,241 VOTES with 26,033 rejected ballots.

 

Now it seems that the Guardian's Opinion columns say we must think again.

 

Who and what gives the the right to overrule  17.410,742 other voters apart from the arrogance of those people believing that they speak for the entire population of the UK?

 

 

 

 

1 hour ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Even Farage says Brexit has failed

Farage meant that this isn’t a proper Brexit and Parliament failed to do it properly not that the UK has failed because of it. Spin spin spin .  I thought we moved on from this but obviously the Guardian never ever will.
 

 

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Britain must think again

Sorry, can't help you with that.

I stopped thinking when I moved here and I don't know how to start again... But hey, haven't had a single headache since.

1 hour ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Even Farage says Brexit has failed.

The government failed Brexit during the negotiations with the EU

1 hour ago, Chomper Higgot said:

And yet public opinion consistently turning against Brexit.

 

Even Farage says Brexit has failed.

 

Taken out of context.

 

He meant it should have been a harder Brexit which would have reaped even more rewards.

 

But you already knew that.

5 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

Taken out of context.

 

He meant it should have been a harder Brexit which would have reaped even more rewards.

 

But you already knew that.

Or done even more damage.

 

‘Brexit has failed’.

8 minutes ago, hotchilli said:

The government failed Brexit during the negotiations with the EU

You can’t make a silk purse out of a sow’s ear.

 

 

5 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Or done even more damage.

 

‘Brexit has failed’.

Rubbish

5 minutes ago, David in the north said:

Rubbish

Tell us what you really think.

16 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

You can’t make a silk purse out of a sow’s ear.

 

 

But the government can make a pigs ear out of anything.

Britain won't be able to re-join easily (we'll need to adopt the Euro for a start) but once Labour take over next year expect an ever closer union relationship.  If only Starmer had the balls to say so!

3 minutes ago, brewsterbudgen said:

Britain won't be able to re-join easily (we'll need to adopt the Euro for a start) but once Labour take over next year expect an ever closer union relationship.  If only Starmer had the balls to say so!

Britain is not the only EU country that did not adopt the euro.

6 hours ago, JonnyF said:

Actually 52% of people who voted were Brexit. 

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_United_Kingdom_European_Union_membership_referendum

 

 

The UK is not a dictatorship. Johnson wasn't even PM when we voted to leave in the Democratic vote.

 

The UK is currently doing better than many EU countries, including the economic powerhouse Germany.

 

https://www.cnbc.com/2023/06/08/euro-zone-enters-recession-after-germany-ireland-growth-revision.html

 

Seems like Brexit wasn't such a cliff edge after all.

 

https://www.cnbc.com/2023/03/10/uk-economy-rebounds-with-stronger-than-expected-january-gdp-print.html

 

This is simply The Guardian trying to spin Johnson's poor decision to have a party into rejoining the EU. Desperate stuff even by their standards ????.

I am currently in the UK visiting relatives and I can tell you that whatever that article says, the economy is NOT thriving post Brexit. Food is unbelievably expensive, most households are struggling to get by. My son who earns a very good salary says he can no longer save any of it due to mortgage interest increases and skyrocjeting fuel and food bills. Inflation is outstripping wage increases ( if any)  and anyone who isn't a millionaire is finding life increasingly challenging.

Brexit is a continuing disaster - hundreds of small businesses closing as they can't export to our nearest and biggest market due to the paperwork involved and the increased cost and duration of transport, others because they can't get workers from the EU any more.  Meanwhile the number of immigrants has actually *increased* - so much for the much vaunted  "controlling our borders" slogan.  

He reminded me of a little Trump

1 hour ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Or done even more damage.

 

‘Brexit has failed’.

Terrible echo in here again.

1 hour ago, Chomper Higgot said:

You can’t make a silk purse out of a sow’s ear.

 

 

But you can use the Guardian to wipe your bum! 

24 minutes ago, Drumbuie said:

I am currently in the UK visiting relatives and I can tell you that whatever that article says, the economy is NOT thriving post Brexit. Food is unbelievably expensive, most households are struggling to get by. My son who earns a very good salary says he can no longer save any of it due to mortgage interest increases and skyrocjeting fuel and food bills. Inflation is outstripping wage increases ( if any)  and anyone who isn't a millionaire is finding life increasingly challenging.

Brexit is a continuing disaster - hundreds of small businesses closing as they can't export to our nearest and biggest market due to the paperwork involved and the increased cost and duration of transport, others because they can't get workers from the EU any more.  Meanwhile the number of immigrants has actually *increased* - so much for the much vaunted  "controlling our borders" slogan.  

Well, the EU regime always favoured the large (lobbying) corporations and for UK SME's, the unfavourable EU regulations are still there.

29 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

Britain is not the only EU country that did not adopt the euro.

If the UK tries to rejoin, that will be the heaviest cost and the ultimate loss of sovereignty.

32 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

Britain is not the only EU country that did not adopt the euro.

I know; it got a 'good' deal.  But it's a condition of re-joining.

2 minutes ago, nauseus said:

If the UK tries to rejoin, that will be the heaviest cost and the ultimate loss of sovereignty.

Not as heavy as the cost of remaining out of it.  

1 minute ago, brewsterbudgen said:

Not as heavy as the cost of remaining out of it.  

A matter of opinion, which has already been settled on a national basis.

6 hours ago, JonnyF said:

Actually 52% of people who voted were Brexit. 

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_United_Kingdom_European_Union_membership_referendum

 

 

The UK is not a dictatorship. Johnson wasn't even PM when we voted to leave in the Democratic vote.

 

The UK is currently doing better than many EU countries, including the economic powerhouse Germany.

 

https://www.cnbc.com/2023/06/08/euro-zone-enters-recession-after-germany-ireland-growth-revision.html

 

Seems like Brexit wasn't such a cliff edge after all.

 

https://www.cnbc.com/2023/03/10/uk-economy-rebounds-with-stronger-than-expected-january-gdp-print.html

 

This is simply The Guardian trying to spin Johnson's poor decision to have a party into rejoining the EU. Desperate stuff even by their standards ????.

not a brit but i think that brexit was and is the right decision.. also brexit nothing really to do with J..... additionally i would think that if there would be a vote on it today the number for "leave" would be higher than 51.89

3 minutes ago, nauseus said:

A matter of opinion, which has already been settled on a national basis.

Yes.  For now. 

1 minute ago, Zapitapi said:

not a brit but i think that brexit was and is the right decision.. also brexit nothing really to do with J..... additionally i would think that if there would be a vote on it today the number for "leave" would be higher than 51.89

I am a Brit and I can assure you it was the wrong decision!

9 minutes ago, nauseus said:

Well, the EU regime always favoured the large (lobbying) corporations and for UK SME's, the unfavourable EU regulations are still there.

Which I guess why so many UK SME’s are going bust.

5 minutes ago, brewsterbudgen said:

I am a Brit and I can assure you it was the wrong decision!

in your opinion..more power to you

11 minutes ago, brewsterbudgen said:

I am a Brit and I can assure you it was the wrong decision!

17,488,000 public voters can assure you it was the right decision.