5 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

Let me recap the bidding. Please tell me where you disagree:

 

Carbon dioxide is a greenhouse gas, and traps heat in the lower atmosphere.

 

Until 40 years ago, CO2 concentrations in the atmosphere have been at 280 ppm. Today, CO2 is at 400+ ppm and rising.

 

Additional CO2 causes more warming.

 

Much of this excess CO2 is produced by humans.

 

So, with which of these do you disagree?

It would be pointless saying anything related to your inquisition, as you are as set in your opinion as I am in mine. So we can agree to disagree and go have a cuppa and a bikkie instead of bickering over something we fundamentally disagree on.

 

Have a nice day.

5 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

You constantly refer to a movie featuring oil company funded scientists.

Today was first time I mentioned it.

You really are making things up.

Jai yen.

16 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

Please provide data disproving the Global Warming hypothesis.

 

Note that the movie you refer to was debunked long ago. And the planet has gotten a lot warmer since that movie.

What a joke of a request.  Any data disproving your premises for climate change will only get "debunked" by you and the other climate change believer cohorts.  The truth of the matter is, Danderman123, is that your request, and others similar requests, will never be accepted by you.  Never as in N-E-V-E-R.  So why do even ask when you know in advance you'll just poo-poo it?

Due to the obvious truth above I've told you guys before, you're just playing a game here.  But do carry on with the utter nonsense. 

2 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Today was first time I mentioned it.

You really are making things up.

Jai yen.

TBL, it's what these people do.  They make things up.  They have no regard for truth nor a desire for honest debate.  Outright deception and fraud is part of their toolkit.

On 9/7/2023 at 8:45 PM, thaibeachlovers said:

So what? The point of the MMCC scenario is apparently to monetise climate, so while temperatures are rising, it's not sufficient to just accept that and do something to prepare for change- no, it's time to invent a whole new passle of ways to get rich off of it. Conferences in exotic locations at taxpayer expense and carbon credits .

The last major conference was held in exotic Glasgow, Scotland.

7 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

How about posting enacted laws, rather than proposals?

What difference does that make, Danderman123?  You're of the same cloth so you should know that you folks will never, ever stop pushing it.  If it doesn't get passed in it's current form today it will again be proposed in similar form . . . and again and again and again until they finally succeed.  You really need to take the course "How The World Works 101" so you can quit feigning that you don't understand it. 

4 minutes ago, placeholder said:

The last major conference was held in exotic Glasgow, Scotland.

And they were all staying in local hostels. 

20 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

And they were all staying in local hostels. 

And yet, the planet is warming, despite the locale where conferences are held.

 

https://berkeleyearth.org/july-2023-temperature-update/

 

BTW, where are oil industry conferences held? 

41 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

And yet, the planet is warming, despite the locale where conferences are held.

 

https://berkeleyearth.org/july-2023-temperature-update/

 

BTW, where are oil industry conferences held? 

Just more parroting.  None of this information is yours.  You receive it and then parrot it.  Nothing more.  The issue requires thought, Danderman123.  It requires constant questioning.  But in your world the act of questioning is transformed into engaging in conspiracy theory.  To you they are one and the same.  And the term conspiracy theory is simply a ruse and a tool to shame people into NOT questioning.  And merely accepting what they are told.  No thought is required as the thoughts are provided you by others.

 

Fortunately the world is filled with free thinkers and people who question.

53 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

Just more parroting.  None of this information is yours.  You receive it and then parrot it.  Nothing more.  The issue requires thought, Danderman123.  It requires constant questioning.  But in your world the act of questioning is transformed into engaging in conspiracy theory.  To you they are one and the same.  And the term conspiracy theory is simply a ruse and a tool to shame people into NOT questioning.  And merely accepting what they are told.  No thought is required as the thoughts are provided you by others.

 

Fortunately the world is filled with free thinkers and people who question.

You are suggesting that facts don't matter. That the only reality is the one in your mind, outside sources need not apply, unless they fit in your personal viewpoint.

 

http://www.columbia.edu/~mhs119/Temperature/

 

Unfortunately, a working definition of crazy people is that they deny reality. I'll give you another shot with this chart - can you see that the temperature is rising?

 

 

1 hour ago, Danderman123 said:

And yet, the planet is warming, despite the locale where conferences are held.

 

https://berkeleyearth.org/july-2023-temperature-update/

 

BTW, where are oil industry conferences held? 

Yes, Danderman. All you are doing is parroting. You see, there is no such thing as expertise acquired by years of studying and training to learn to the highly technical aspects of climate research. All you have to do is claim to have sat down and have read and analyzed the results for yourself. And when you do, you, like some others here, you will not offer any actual factual rebuttals of what these reports show, but, instead you will demonstrate your mastery by offering all sorts of accusations and slurs. You will prove your mastery of the subject by offering 0 fact-based rebuttals of the scientific conclusions of climatologists. You will offer rants instead of engaging with the science. And that is how you will demonstrate your mastery of the subject. Of course, this demonstrated mastery will be indistinguishable from a rebuttal offered by someone with no knowledge of the subject, but the crucial fact is that we will accept your word because you say that you have done the research. And just because you offer no hard scientific evidence to back your case, or, for that matter, any familiarity with the research,  that is no reason to doubt your word. Because you are you.

2 hours ago, placeholder said:

You will prove your mastery of the subject by offering 0 fact-based rebuttals of the scientific conclusions of climatologists.

Kind of interesting how those folks posting here seem to operate in a fact-free world where the overwhelming consensus of climate experts worldwide is to be discounted and ignored, and what they read from Rupert Murdoch or see on some obscure  YT video is to believed.

15 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

Kind of interesting how those folks posting here seem to operate in a fact-free world where the overwhelming consensus of climate experts worldwide is to be discounted and ignored, and what they read from Rupert Murdoch or see on some obscure  YT video is to believed.

As there's nothing we can do, one way or the other, why does it matter if we believe or not?

2 hours ago, Danderman123 said:

Unfortunately, a working definition of crazy people is that they deny reality. I'll give you another shot with this chart - can you see that the temperature is rising?

Another definition of crazy, would be to obsess about stuff you can't change.

I can't change the graph in either direction, so it's irrelevant to my life.

Accept the world as it is and enjoy your life.

4 hours ago, Tippaporn said:

And they were all staying in local hostels. 

........ after cycling there from their homes.

5 hours ago, Danderman123 said:

Do you think politicians should rely on scientists or simply on whatever feeling they have today?

Most politicians seem to rely on whatever decision nets them the most bribe money/expenses/votes.

38 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

As there's nothing we can do, one way or the other, why does it matter if we believe or not?

Of course there's things every individual person can do via the choices they make in their lives...

 

I chose to live in BKK specifically so I could rely on mass transit (BTS/MRT) and not have to drive or need a car. And then there's the folks here on the forum using EVs and installing solar power for their homes, etc etc.

 

And at least for places outside of Thailand, that includes voting for and electing public officials who recognize that global warming and climate change are real risks to the world and its people.

 

16 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

I chose to live in BKK specifically so I could rely on mass transit (BTS/MRT) and not have to drive or need a car. And then there's the folks here on the forum using EVs and installing solar power for their homes, etc etc.

I'm already 80% solar powered and use less than 70 units/month from the grid.

Not because I believe, but because the Thai grid power is unreliable, an it saves me money (maybe).

I also drive a scooter that gets 55km/ltr and cycle a lot.

 

So what does it matter if I believe or not?

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2 hours ago, BritManToo said:

As there's nothing we can do, one way or the other, why does it matter if we believe or not?

Given that your premise is false, why does it matter at all?

23 hours ago, novacova said:

Here we have a clear disparity between those who choose to uniform themselves with an ideology in order to maintain self preservation and acceptance by picking and choosing through a narrow prism field, and those who choose to explore the real world data through observation without prejudice. No doubt it’s overwhelmingly obvious that those who are fixed on the “idea” that humans are solely responsible for climate change (which in of itself, climate, is a broad variable) have absolutely no interest in reading study(s) of any substantial data that shows there really is no support for human caused climate change. Anyone who states rhetoric such as deniers, you must believe a vast conspiracy are indicative of resisting further knowledge and a complete cop out. There’s a lot of good information out there to be ignored by the uniformity mental disorders of the cult of climate. So please do not educate yourselves and please continue on with the gullible act. Though for those who are interested in a good read…

 

https://patricktbrown.org/

 

And if you have access…

 

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-023-06444-3

 

…incidentally most of you here are out of view,  simply because you just have nothing new or insightful to offer, just the continuation of recycling surface junk and graphs. I’ll check back in after a few weeks to see if there’s anything new that’s been offered. 

Here's a link to the peer reviewers comments that show the emptiness of Patrick Brown's claim of bias.  And Patrick Brown's replies. You will see that he argued against making the research more inclusive.

https://static-content.springer.com/esm/art%3A10.1038%2Fs41586-023-06444-3/MediaObjects/41586_2023_6444_MOESM2_ESM.pdf

 

 

 

 

4 hours ago, BritManToo said:

Another definition of crazy, would be to obsess about stuff you can't change.

I can't change the graph in either direction, so it's irrelevant to my life.

Accept the world as it is and enjoy your life.

You can't do anything about the weather, but its not irrelevant to your life.

 

More importantly, your understanding of the impact of individuals is not useful. As an example, the decision of one person to attend a football match may not seem important, but if 60,000 people individually decide not to attend, the team would be significantly impacted.

 

Same with climate change. One individual cannot make a noticeable difference, but lots of individuals can.

4 hours ago, BritManToo said:

As there's nothing we can do, one way or the other, why does it matter if we believe or not?

No matter the situation, its always good to rely on the factual evidence, as opposed to some internet troll's talking points.

 

We've got people here who claim they don't believe scientists (although they seem to have no problem using technologies developed by scientists). Not healthy.

15 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

You can't do anything about the weather, but its not irrelevant to your life.

You're wrong, I fixed the UK weather by moving to Thailand.

1 hour ago, BritManToo said:

You're wrong, I fixed the UK weather by moving to Thailand.

We are awaiting confirmation from UK residents to confirm that.

12 hours ago, Danderman123 said:

Since the topic is about warming, do you think the Sun is making the Earth warmer than before? Do you really believe that increased Solar output is responsible for the last 40 years of warming?

Actually there is a small but significant connection between solar activity and warming. When more sunspots are created the climate does warm a bit. The problem is that as global warming began to rise sharply, solar activity, i.e. sunspots creation, actually plunged. Until recently, solar activity was very low. So, if anything, the sun exerted a lowering effect on temperature. Despite which, the average temperature actually rose.

15 hours ago, placeholder said:

Actually there is a small but significant connection between solar activity and warming. When more sunspots are created the climate does warm a bit. The problem is that as global warming began to rise sharply, solar activity, i.e. sunspots creation, actually plunged. Until recently, solar activity was very low. So, if anything, the sun exerted a lowering effect on temperature. Despite which, the average temperature actually rose.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/09/08/the-public-isnt-being-told-the-full-truth-about-the-climate/

9 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/09/08/the-public-isnt-being-told-the-full-truth-about-the-climate/

Just like the author of this piece in The Telegraph. you blindly accept what Patrick Brown claims. You clearly didn't note my link to the peer reviewers requests to Brown to include other factors in his study and how Brown pushed back against those requests. One reviewer actually thought the Brown's study was so deficient it shouldn't be published.. Here again is a link to the reviewers' critiques and Brown's reply:

https://static-content.springer.com/esm/art%3A10.1038%2Fs41586-023-06444-3/MediaObjects/41586_2023_6444_MOESM2_ESM.pdf

 

In addition to which, as has already been pointed out, in that same edition of Nature, there were 3 articles that addressed the issue of being overly simplistic about ascribing extreme weather and disastrous consequences solely to climate change.

 

In other words, Patrick Brown is a liar.

 

1 hour ago, BritManToo said:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/09/08/the-public-isnt-being-told-the-full-truth-about-the-climate/

Geez, the internet trolls are all over this story.

 

And it is newsworthy, due to its rarity.

 

 

On 9/9/2023 at 8:52 AM, Tippaporn said:

What a joke of a request.  Any data disproving your premises for climate change will only get "debunked" by you and the other climate change believer cohorts.  The truth of the matter is, Danderman123, is that your request, and others similar requests, will never be accepted by you.  Never as in N-E-V-E-R.  So why do even ask when you know in advance you'll just poo-poo it?

Due to the obvious truth above I've told you guys before, you're just playing a game here.  But do carry on with the utter nonsense. 

Do you have any data that disproves the Global Warming hypothesis, or are you just going to blather on?