Trump charged with four counts over 2020 election

[heybruce]

1 hour ago, jerrymahoney said:

AND --

 

August 7, 2023 at 11:46 a.m. EDT
 

A majority of Americans think the Trump probes are about 2024

New polling from CBS News, conducted by YouGov, shows that arguments like the one made by Lauro have real traction. Nearly 6 in 10 Americans think that the investigations into Trump are an effort to keep him from winning the White House next year. Trump argues that he’s being indicted because his opponents want to punish his supporters; half of Republicans think that the probes are “an attack on people like me.”

 

In other words, most Republicans — and perhaps most Americans — think that Biden is engaged in what Trump is accused of doing: manipulating the system to retain power. Subtle arguments about the role of a special counsel probably won’t do much to reverse that idea.

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/08/07/trump-federal-election-charges/

 

https://archive.is/wrhPK

Evidence that brain-washing by right-wing MSM is having an effect.

[newnative]

9 hours ago, Danderman123 said:

Here's a question for the Trump fans:

 

Remember "Lock her up"?

 

What was Hillary Clinton's alleged crime?

Crimes not 'crime'.  And, 'lock her up' because she was guilty, nothing alleged about it. To refresh your memory:

Guilty of being a woman

Guilty of not being hot enough for Trump to even consider sexually assaulting

Guilty of being smarter than Trump (99.9% of us are also guilty of this)

Guilty of being far more articulate than Trump on any subject other than The Art of Grifting

Guilty of being far more experienced and prepared to be President than Trump

Guilty of being more popular than Trump (this was proven beyond a reasonable doubt when 2 million more voters selected her for President over Trump. The nerve!)

Guilty of thinking too small--a couple of low-level secret documents on her email account when she could have had boxes and boxes of top secret highly-classified, very sensitive documents in her bathroom for guests to read while they were pooping

And, finally, her worst crime:  Being 'way too honest' (hello, Pence!) in calling the deplorables supporting Trump deplorables

 

[Danderman123]

The final stage of all these trials will be an insanity plea by Trump's lawyers. He will resist, but psych evaluation will indicate that an insanity plea is warranted.

 

For you Trumpers who believe everything he says, I am so sorry you are following a crazy person.

[Yellowtail]

10 hours ago, Danderman123 said:

Here's a question for the Trump fans:

 

Remember "Lock her up"?

 

What was Hillary Clinton's alleged crime?

As a leftist, she is by definition not guilty. 

[Berkshire]

3 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

 

For you Trumpers who believe everything he says, I am so sorry you are following a crazy person.

Sometimes I think I deplore Trump's supporters more than Trump himself.  At least Trump knows he's a lying conman doing what comes natural.  But his supporters....I don't get how their brain works.  

[Danderman123]

1 minute ago, Yellowtail said:

As a leftist, she is by definition not guilty. 

Please answer the question: what crimes did Hillary Clinton commit to warrant being locked up?

[riclag]

2 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

I don’t see the Republicans have a way out of selecting Trump as their candidate, a mess of their own making.

 

The ‘Republican Party’ doesn’t really exist anymore, it’s been replaced by an extremist cult.

 

The party of ‘small government’ now focussed on controlling the minutiae of citizens lives.

 

 

God forbid the cult wants to see globalists world order binned!

Make America Great Again.

America First has a huge Mess to clean up ,on aisle USA.

imop

[Yellowtail]

7 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

Please answer the question: what crimes did Hillary Clinton commit to warrant being locked up?

Statement by FBI Director James B. Comey on the Investigation of Secretary Hillary Clinton’s Use of a Personal E-Mail System — FBI

[Rimmer]

An unattributed claim and subsequent replies to it have been removed

[Danderman123]

2 hours ago, Yellowtail said:

Statement by FBI Director James B. Comey on the Investigation of Secretary Hillary Clinton’s Use of a Personal E-Mail System — FBI

from your posted link:

 

"Although there is evidence of potential violations of the statutes regarding the handling of classified information, our judgment is that no reasonable prosecutor would bring such a case."

 

So, what is the basis of "Lock her up"?

[Danderman123]

On January 6, Trump incited a crowd to go to the Capitol to fight. Then, he sat back and watched for hours as the police were assaulted, and he did nothing.

 

That alone warrants jail time.

[Yellowtail]

3 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

On January 6, Trump incited a crowd to go to the Capitol to fight. Then, he sat back and watched for hours as the police were assaulted, and he did nothing.

 

That alone warrants jail time.

Do you have a link that supports your claim that Trump incited a riot? If so, why is he not being charged with it? 

 

 

[Walker88]

1 hour ago, Yellowtail said:

As a leftist, she is by definition not guilty. 

I wonder what you cultists believe 'leftist' means?

 

The US economy consistently performs better under Dems, or "leftists". So does the stock market.

 

Not a single (R) POTUS has ever NOT presided over the start of a Recession, trump being the latest.

 

trump inherited 4.8% UE and left with UE at 6.8%. He left a Recession. He caused inflation by adding 41% to the US' accumulated National Debt since 1787, yet trump created that +41% debt in just 4 years. That's $24,000 for every American. Even with that profligacy, he left a Recession. No surprise, of course, coming from a 6-time bankrupt boy born with a silver spoon in his mouth, albeit totally lacking in talent, other than fooling the gullible.

 

Then the non-leftist trump tried to overthrow American democracy. Not good.

 

Oh, and those leftist Blue States are the net contributors to the Federal Budget, while the non-leftist Red States are the net takers, or parasites.

 

non-leftists should get down on their knees and thank the successful leftists for generating the wealth that the mouthbreathing parasitic non-leftists live off.

[Berkshire]

5 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

Do you have a link that supports your claim that Trump incited a riot? If so, why is he not being charged with it? 

 

 

"Incitement is the encouragement of another person to commit a crime" and is against the law.  We already have enough information in the public domain--not to mention our own ears and eyes--to see that Trump is guilty of this.  But proving it in a court of law, especially when freedom of speech is involved, becomes a little dicey.  Jack Smith wisely decided not to pursue this charge, especially when he has others that are much easier to prove. 

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10 hours ago, watthong said:

But who cares? stop bandying about the name of a, to use Trump language, "washed-up has-been wannabe." This old man "effectively" got off Virginia Giuffre's case by keeping his panties on during massage, nevertheless his notoriety has gone down hill since. And repeat, no one cares a straw (sorry for bringing up the image) about his "smoking gun."

Actually, Giuffre's accusations against Dershowitz were weak and she ultimately recanted.

[Neeranam]

1 hour ago, Berkshire said:

Sometimes I think I deplore Trump's supporters more than Trump himself.  At least Trump knows he's a lying conman doing what comes natural.  But his supporters....I don't get how their brain works.  

Most Republican voters are voting for the party and will choose anyone but Biden, it's not rocket science. 

They could say exactly the same about Biden supporters, you sound so polarised and posts such as this add to dividing the USA.

[Danderman123]

21 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

Do you have a link that supports your claim that Trump incited a riot? If so, why is he not being charged with it? 

 

 

Trump is being charged with obstruction of an official procedure, ie the counting of electoral votes on January 6. It appears you have not read the indictment (its anathema to Trumpers, like holy water to a vampire).

 

As for the incitement to storm the Capitol:

 

"We will stop the steal"

 

"If you don't fight like hell you're not going to have a country anymore'

 

"We are going to the Capitol"

 

"You will have an illegitimate president. That is what you will have, and we can't let that happen."

 

And then Trump watched for hours as his minions assaulted the police and threatened to hang Mike Pence.

 

Why didn't Trump stop them?

[Danderman123]

7 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

Most Republican voters are voting for the party and will choose anyone but Biden, it's not rocket science. 

They could say exactly the same about Biden supporters, you sound so polarised and posts such as this add to dividing the USA.

I'm not going to vote for a candidate with multiple felony indictments. Can you say the same?

[Neeranam]

Just now, Danderman123 said:

I'm not going to vote for a candidate with multiple felony indictments. Can you say the same?

You do know these are allegations?

[CANSIAM]

4 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

It’s not a matter of what most Americans think, it’s a matter of what a jury of 12 think.

 

They, unlike ‘most Americans’ will get to see and hear the evidence firsthand with no intermediaries telling them what to think.

 

[edit] Multiple juries of 12 Americans.

 

Multiple juries of other Americans have already decided there is good cause to send the accusations against Trump to trial.

 

 

Hang tough wait and see, its quite possible more than 12 jurors will 'see and hear' evidence, place a few TV cameras around and 300 million Americans can have a good listen from their sofas..........

[newnative]

    If I may, a small correction to my earlier post, in which I mentioned The Art of Grifting.  I have since heard from Trump's publisher and they inform me that, while they appreciate the plug for his upcoming book, it is actually called The Art of the Grift, apparently to piggyback on the popularity of his last book, The Art of the Lie.  Sorry for the mix-up.

    As with the previous opus, Trump did not actually write the book, rather, he has put his name on the cover, as he does with buildings and casinos.  They assure me, however, that much of the writing might have been imagined in his head.   I'm further told that Trump has relayed to the publisher that he considers the book to be 'beautiful' (this will be highlighted on the cover) and he fully expects to win the Nobel Prize for Literature, to join his other wins for Peace, Chemistry, Medicine, and Physics. 

    Unlike The Art of the Lie, a lighthearted, often humorous look (according to the publisher) at some of Trump's most famous and biggest whoppers among his 30,000 lies, his latest book is in a much more serious vein, and begins with his early years, even before his college cheating, draft-dodging days.  It also includes a detailed account of what Trump, himself, considers one of his very best grifts, among so many to choose from, of convincing his gullible, clueless, non-thinking, rabid supporters to send tons of their hard-earned, low-wage money to him to pay him for the crimes he has committed.  

     Out this Fall, advanced orders now being taken by Amazon.  Nationwide book tour by Trump, provided he is not incarcerated.  The publisher tells me it will make a wonderful Christmas gift for all the Trump supporters possessing the ability to read.  

[Tug]

19 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

I'm not going to vote for a candidate with multiple felony indictments. Can you say the same?

In the case of the poster you are referring to its a moot point he can’t vote in American elections some of the most divisive here aren’t American citizens.

Edited August 8, 2023 by Tug

[Neeranam]

7 minutes ago, newnative said:

The publisher tells me it will make a wonderful Christmas gift for all the Trump supporters possessing the ability to read.  

How sad that America, once a Democratic country that respected all voters, has spiralled down to this.  

Edited August 8, 2023 by Neeranam

[Walker88]

14 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

Very sad personal attack.

 

Another anti-Trump supremacist.

The guy uses every shibboleth in the cult hand book, including 'globalist' and the use of 'leftist' in a disparaging way...aimed as a direct personal attack on the posters here who are not part of the cult.

 

Goose and gander.

 

Perhaps my comments will encourage some people to get up to speed on the facts related to trump, his performance as POTUS and how the economy and world community responded

 

I tire of the brickbats tossed by trumpers, even on this Forum:  "<deleted>, socialists, globalists, commies", etc.

 

The cult understands precious little about US ideals, about democracy, and about socilaism

 

Like most modern countries, the US has lots of social policies that would come under the umbrella of socialism, such as the military, the interstate highway system, FDIC insurance, the FDA that tries to make sure food and drugs are safe for human consumption. There are many aspects of society where there is not an economic incentive for a private sector to run it; hence the Federal Govt, using taxpayer money or debt, funds the service or entity.

 

trump added much more when he imposed trade sanctions of China, then had to pay tens of billions to US farmers hurt when China cut back on ag buys from the US. THAT is socialism, too.

 

 

[Walker88]

21 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

You do know these are allegations?

Allegations?

 

Yes, here's one: trump admitted he had highly classified documents at his country club. The DoJ and FBI said the same thing. THAT is illegal. He admitted he had them, though he did offer up a silly excuse (declassified in his mind, had a 'right' to them).

 

Claiming something contrary to established law (trump had zero right to the docs, and there exists a system and procedure for declassification, so it cannot be done 'in your head') does not make him innocent.

 

He broke the law. The mere existence of the TS/SCI, SAP, Codeword, HCS and RD docs in his country club---which was found to have at least one MSS member (Ministry of State Security of the Peoples Republic of China)---is criminal. No allegation. FACT.

[Neeranam]

5 minutes ago, Walker88 said:

The guy uses every shibboleth in the cult hand book, including 'globalist' and the use of 'leftist' in a disparaging way...aimed as a direct personal attack on the posters here who are not part of the cult.

 

Goose and gander.

 

Perhaps my comments will encourage some people to get up to speed on the facts related to trump, his performance as POTUS and how the economy and world community responded

 

I tire of the brickbats tossed by trumpers, even on this Forum:  "<deleted>, socialists, globalists, commies", etc.

 

The cult understands precious little about US ideals, about democracy, and about socilaism

 

Like most modern countries, the US has lots of social policies that would come under the umbrella of socialism, such as the military, the interstate highway system, FDIC insurance, the FDA that tries to make sure food and drugs are safe for human consumption. There are many aspects of society where there is not an economic incentive for a private sector to run it; hence the Federal Govt, using taxpayer money or debt, funds the service or entity.

 

trump added much more when he imposed trade sanctions of China, then had to pay tens of billions to US farmers hurt when China cut back on ag buys from the US. THAT is socialism, too.

 

 

Bizarre post. 

When you disrespectfully say 'Trumpers' are uneducated, do you mean all Republicans?

The US constitution says everyone is equal and frankly, saying a truck driver's vote is somehow less than your vote is very sad.  Do you really think you need to go to university to know about the Economy?

[Yellowtail]

47 minutes ago, Walker88 said:

BTW, your career was as a truck driver, right? Study a lot of economics and civics, did you?

I drove truck traveling with the carnival for ten years when I was a kid, before going to engineering school. 

 

What have you ever done? I'm betting you've been on the public teat your whole life. 

 

 

[CharlieKo]

6 minutes ago, Walker88 said:

Allegations?

 

Yes, here's one: trump admitted he had highly classified documents at his country club. The DoJ and FBI said the same thing. THAT is illegal. He admitted he had them, though he did offer up a silly excuse (declassified in his mind, had a 'right' to them).

 

Claiming something contrary to established law (trump had zero right to the docs, and there exists a system and procedure for declassification, so it cannot be done 'in your head') does not make him innocent.

 

He broke the law. The mere existence of the TS/SCI, SAP, Codeword, HCS and RD docs in his country club---which was found to have at least one MSS member (Ministry of State Security of the Peoples Republic of China)---is criminal. No allegation. FACT.

On that basis, Biden also broke the law by having classified documents in his garage. So maybe Biden should be charged under the same law.  

[Neeranam]

Just now, Yellowtail said:

I drove truck traveling with the carnival for ten years when I was a kid, before going to engineering school. 

 

What have you ever done? I'm betting you've been on the public teat your whole life. 

 

 

 

Well done, respect. 

 

[newnative]

5 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

How sad that America, once a Democratic country that respected all voters, has spiralled down to this.  

    Sad, indeed.  And the spiral began with Trump's elevation to the presidency , over the will of the voters, who preferred Clinton by over 2 million votes.   Clinton, like Gore before her, accepted defeat and did not file 60 ridiculous lawsuits, did not spout countless lies about the election, did not try to force governors to 'find' votes, did not falsely and loudly trash the voting process, did not try to intimidate the vice-president at the time, Biden, to disregard the Constitution, and did not incite her supporters to overthrow the government.  Yes, 'how sad'.