Ocean heat record broken, with grim implications for the planet

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The oceans have hit their hottest ever recorded temperature as they soak up warmth from climate change, with dire implications for our planet's health.

The average daily global sea surface temperature beat a 2016 record this week, according to the EU's climate change service Copernicus.

It reached 20.96C. That's far above the average for this time of year.

Oceans are a vital climate regulator. They soak up heat, produce half Earth's oxygen and drive weather patterns.

Warmer waters have less ability to absorb carbon dioxide, meaning more of that planet-warming gas will stay in the atmosphere. And it can also accelerate the melting of glaciers that flow into the ocean, leading to more sea level rise.

Hotter oceans and heatwaves disturb marine species like fish and whales as they move in search of cooler waters, upsetting the food chain. Experts warn that fish stocks could be affected.

 

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[Jingthing]

But right wing ideologues will call this fake news.

Abandon all hope.

[thaibeachlovers]

Ocean heat record broken, with grim implications for the planet

 

No, it doesn't have grim implications for the planet. The planet will be fine and has been through many such variations in it's history.

Humans, not so much. Our time as visitors on this planet may be coming to an end. We have been very, very bad guests, and if we are the author of our own demise; that's ironic.

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On 8/5/2023 at 5:40 AM, thaibeachlovers said:

Ocean heat record broken, with grim implications for the planet

 

No, it doesn't have grim implications for the planet. The planet will be fine and has been through many such variations in it's history.

Humans, not so much. Our time as visitors on this planet may be coming to an end. We have been very, very bad guests, and if we are the author of our own demise; that's ironic.

Someone else who thinks they are making a significant point by taking literally a figure of speech.

[KhunLA]

On 8/4/2023 at 12:12 PM, Jingthing said:

But right wing ideologues will call this fake news.

Abandon all hope.

Hope for ...

... trying to slow what nobody probably can, as seems all a bit natural to me ...

... IMHO

 

"About 71 percent of the Earth's surface is water-covered, and the oceans hold about 96.5 percent of all Earth's water. " ... Earth's water coverage

 

Humans only use about half of that, and people are trying to tell me, humans are the cause, and may have the solution.   Seems a bit out of human's control .... 

... again, IMHO

 

"Humans use approximately 14.5 percent of the total surface of the planet. As 71 percent of the Earth is water, only 29 percent of the Earth's surface is land." ... Human's actual use of

 

AND ... more than 1/3 of that measly 14.5%, is used for farming, not the polluting metros.

 

"Globally agricultural land area is approximately five billion hectares, or 38 percent of the global land surface. About one-third of this is used as cropland, while the remaining two-thirds consist of meadows and pastures) for grazing livestock." ... 1/3 of that small % is farming

 

And wait, there's more.  Yes, it actually gets a bit sillier ...

 

... "My attention was recently drawn to an estimate that 2.7% of the world's land (excluding Antarctica) is occupied by urban development." ... Say Whot ... only 2.7%

 

So 2.7% vs 97.3% ... and humans are the problem and possibly the solution.

 

Let that sink in, take as long as you need ????

Edited August 6, 2023 by KhunLA

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8 hours ago, KhunLA said:

Hope for ...

... trying to slow what nobody probably can, as seems all a bit natural to me ...

... IMHO

 

"About 71 percent of the Earth's surface is water-covered, and the oceans hold about 96.5 percent of all Earth's water. " ... Earth's water coverage

 

Humans only use about half of that, and people are trying to tell me, humans are the cause, and may have the solution.   Seems a bit out of human's control .... 

... again, IMHO

 

"Humans use approximately 14.5 percent of the total surface of the planet. As 71 percent of the Earth is water, only 29 percent of the Earth's surface is land." ... Human's actual use of

 

AND ... more than 1/3 of that measly 14.5%, is used for farming, not the polluting metros.

 

"Globally agricultural land area is approximately five billion hectares, or 38 percent of the global land surface. About one-third of this is used as cropland, while the remaining two-thirds consist of meadows and pastures) for grazing livestock." ... 1/3 of that small % is farming

 

And wait, there's more.  Yes, it actually gets a bit sillier ...

 

... "My attention was recently drawn to an estimate that 2.7% of the world's land (excluding Antarctica) is occupied by urban development." ... Say Whot ... only 2.7%

 

So 2.7% vs 97.3% ... and humans are the problem and possibly the solution.

 

Let that sink in, take as long as you need ????

I don't see what point you're trying to make in claiming that somehow because humans live on land, the greenhouse gas emissions they generate can't be the cause of the oceans getting warmer. Do you believe that the gases so generated mostly remain over the land? 

 

What makes you think that agriculture isn't also responsible for pumping greenhouse gasses into the atmosphere?

 

Agriculture and Aquaculture: Food for Thought

Researchers have found that 37% of methane emissions from human activity are the direct result of our livestock and agricultural practices.

https://www.epa.gov/snep/agriculture-and-aquaculture-food-thought#:~:text=Researchers have found that 37,our livestock and agricultural practices.

 

Emissions due to agriculture

https://www.fao.org/3/cb3808en/cb3808en.pdf

 

The issue how much greenhouse gases their activity generates relative to how much gas the atmosphere holds. What has that got to do what percentage of land urban areas cover? Where do you think all the excess CO2 and other greenhouse gas has come from in the last 200 years? Warm beer?

 

[Red Phoenix]

It is more than likely that the rise of the ocean temperature is due to the volcanic eruption, that occurred last year but which is rarely mentioned.

This happened on 15 January 2022 in Tonga but we didn’t hear much about it because it was underwater. However, this was a major event which NASA warned could temporarily (years) warm the Earth’s surface. 

The impact of that single event on ocean water temperature is orders of magnitude bigger than all methane emissions from human activity over the last centuries.

https://www.nasa.gov/feature/jpl/tonga-eruption-blasted-unprecedented-amount-of-water-into-stratosphere

 

[ozimoron]

On 8/5/2023 at 5:40 AM, thaibeachlovers said:

Ocean heat record broken, with grim implications for the planet

 

No, it doesn't have grim implications for the planet. The planet will be fine and has been through many such variations in it's history.

Humans, not so much. Our time as visitors on this planet may be coming to an end. We have been very, very bad guests, and if we are the author of our own demise; that's ironic.

The plant has never (not even once) been through any climate change caused by humans. Never. The planet will survive but most of the living organisms on it won't. Predominantly caused by the insanity of climate change deniers.

[ozimoron]

19 minutes ago, Red Phoenix said:

It is more than likely that the rise of the ocean temperature is due to the volcanic eruption, that occurred last year but which is rarely mentioned.

This happened on 15 January 2022 in Tonga but we didn’t hear much about it because it was underwater. However, this was a major event which NASA warned could temporarily (years) warm the Earth’s surface. 

The impact of that single event on ocean water temperature is orders of magnitude bigger than all methane emissions from human activity over the last centuries.

https://www.nasa.gov/feature/jpl/tonga-eruption-blasted-unprecedented-amount-of-water-into-stratosphere

 

It's impossible that volcanic eruptions in the ocean are the cause of this degree of temperature rise.

 

https://www.scienceunderattack.com/blog/2022/3/7/can-undersea-volcanoes-cause-global-warming-98

Edited August 6, 2023 by ozimoron

[novacova]

Solar maximum cycle is peaking now. 
Areas where the oceanic winds are calm, the oceans temperature rapidly increases. These variable cycles have been going on for millions of years. Calm down already, there’s really nothing to get excited about????

Edited August 6, 2023 by novacova
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[Caldera]

This year we will all die from...

 

Ocean Overheating

 

Alright then, the Covid scare is dead, we needed something new. Meh.

[Scott]

2 hours ago, novacova said:

Solar maximum cycle is peaking now. 
Areas where the oceanic winds are calm, the oceans temperature rapidly increases. These variable cycles have been going on for millions of years. Calm down already, there’s really nothing to get excited about????

Not exactly correct:  

The solar maximum cycle is peaking now, and this is causing a slight increase in ocean temperatures. However, the current rise in ocean temperatures is not solely due to the solar maximum cycle. Other factors, such as human-caused climate change, are also contributing to the rise in ocean temperatures.

 

The solar maximum cycle is a natural 11-year cycle of the sun's activity. During solar maximum, the sun emits more energy, which can cause a slight warming of the Earth's atmosphere and oceans. However, the solar maximum cycle is not the only factor that affects ocean temperatures. Other factors, such as the amount of cloud cover, the amount of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere, and the strength of ocean currents, can also affect ocean temperatures.

In recent decades, the Earth's atmosphere has warmed significantly due to human-caused climate change. This warming is causing the oceans to warm as well. The warming of the oceans is causing sea levels to rise, which is flooding coastal areas and displacing millions of people. The warming of the oceans is also causing more extreme weather events, such as hurricanes and typhoons.

The current rise in ocean temperatures is a complex issue with multiple contributing factors. The solar maximum cycle is one factor that is contributing to the rise in ocean temperatures, but it is not the only factor. Human-caused climate change is also a major factor that is contributing to the rise in ocean temperatures.

 

Source:   AI

 

 

[Red Phoenix]

8 hours ago, ozimoron said:

It's impossible that volcanic eruptions in the ocean are the cause of this degree of temperature rise.

 

https://www.scienceunderattack.com/blog/2022/3/7/can-undersea-volcanoes-cause-global-warming-98

So NASA is lying? 

https://www.nasa.gov/feature/jpl/tonga-eruption-blasted-unprecedented-amount-of-water-into-stratosphere

Read the article, the magnitude of that unprecedented ocean-bottom vulcanic eruption is such that it must have a large - if not the main - impact on the rise of the ocean temperature. 

[ozimoron]

7 minutes ago, Red Phoenix said:

So NASA is lying? 

https://www.nasa.gov/feature/jpl/tonga-eruption-blasted-unprecedented-amount-of-water-into-stratosphere

Read the article, the magnitude of that unprecedented ocean-bottom vulcanic eruption is such that it must have a large - if not the main - impact on the rise of the ocean temperature. 

I don't know how you see this invalidate my argument. It says temporary and small and it in no way explains the rise in temperatures we see over the past decades. It's like your c;linging to some straw in the form of some faint evidence that doesn't even say what you want it to say.

[thaibeachlovers]

6 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

I don't know how you see this invalidate my argument. It says temporary and small and it in no way explains the rise in temperatures we see over the past decades. It's like your c;linging to some straw in the form of some faint evidence that doesn't even say what you want it to say.

Regardless, the real question is what are we going to do about it and IMO nothing is being done that would actually change anything.

The little that has been done in western countries is meaningless as long as consumer units are being born at a rate that will negate any remedial action.

IMO we were doomed the day the world's human population exceeded 3 billion. Now it's just a matter of waiting for the end.

 

However, that doesn't mean we should not bother to stop polluting everything with our wasteful lives. We should.

[ozimoron]

8 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Regardless, the real question is what are we going to do about it and IMO nothing is being done that would actually change anything.

The little that has been done in western countries is meaningless as long as consumer units are being born at a rate that will negate any remedial action.

IMO we were doomed the day the world's human population exceeded 3 billion. Now it's just a matter of waiting for the end.

 

However, that doesn't mean we should not bother to stop polluting everything with our wasteful lives. We should.

The problem isn't people, it's fossil fuels in the main. The only aspect in which people are involved is cutting down the carbon dioxide sinks (trees) and livestock. If we stop the source of the carbon dioxide pollution we fix the problem. It's that simple. The world is doing a lot. The problem is that climate denying politicians, their mouths fueled by donations from fossil fuel magnates, are trying to prevent us from reducing fossil fuel usage. Like pulling out of the IPCC while every other country remains in it.

[Red Phoenix]

19 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

I don't know how you see this invalidate my argument. It says temporary and small and it in no way explains the rise in temperatures we see over the past decades. It's like your c;linging to some straw in the form of some faint evidence that doesn't even say what you want it to say.

It is laughable to believe that human activity is the main cause of the natural process of climate change.  That's 'what I want to say'. 

That we should do efforts to stop polluting our beautiful planet is not in question.  But the doomsday-scenarios launched by 'green-washing' groups to further their agenda, have been proven wrong every time.  Unfortunately most people have short memory and don't recall the propaganda of yesteryear (e.g. remember the story of polar bears on the edge of extinction, while their population is now bigger than ever).

[ozimoron]

3 minutes ago, Red Phoenix said:

It is laughable to believe that human activity is the main cause of the natural process of climate change.  That's 'what I want to say'. 

That we should do efforts to stop polluting our beautiful planet is not in question.  But the doomsday-scenarios launched by 'green-washing' groups to further their agenda, have been proven wrong every time.  Unfortunately most people have short memory and don't recall the propaganda of yesteryear (e.g. remember the story of polar bears on the edge of extinction, while their population is now bigger than ever).

Maybe you ought to back up incorrect claims with sources.

 

https://www.worldwildlife.org/stories/polar-bear-population-decline-a-wake-up-call-for-climate-change-action

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-64083507

 

 

Edited August 7, 2023 by ozimoron

[thaibeachlovers]

2 minutes ago, Red Phoenix said:

It is laughable to believe that human activity is the main cause of the natural process of climate change.  That's 'what I want to say'. 

That we should do efforts to stop polluting our beautiful planet is not in question.  But the doomsday-scenarios launched by 'green-washing' groups to further their agenda, have been proven wrong every time.  Unfortunately most people have short memory and don't recall the propaganda of yesteryear (e.g. remember the story of polar bears on the edge of extinction, while their population is now bigger than ever).

Well said.

However the greensters with their "it's all our fault" mantra have IMO replaced God religion with the "man made climate change" religion and are just as fanatic about it. It's even similar, given God religion relies on people believing in a being that can't be seen, and the "man made climate change" religion relies on people believing in something that can't be proven beyond a reasonable doubt. In both case it's belief in a theory, IMO.

[ozimoron]

1 minute ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Well said.

However the greensters with their "it's all our fault" mantra have IMO replaced God religion with the "man made climate change" religion and are just as fanatic about it. It's even similar, given God religion relies on people believing in a being that can't be seen, and the "man made climate change" religion relies on people believing in something that can't be proven beyond a reasonable doubt. In both case it's belief in a theory, IMO.

It's proven beyond any shred of doubt. Only religious people believe it isn't.

[Red Phoenix]

17 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

Maybe you ought to back up incorrect claims with sources.

 

https://www.worldwildlife.org/stories/polar-bear-population-decline-a-wake-up-call-for-climate-change-action

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-64083507

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For the segment of the media that traffics in sound bites, it’s easy to declare that polar bears are on the verge of extinction … or that this is just another example of the climate-change myth. The truth, as usual, lies somewhere in between.

https://canadiangeographic.ca/articles/the-truth-about-polar-bears/

 

This discussion is not about polar bears, but about rise in ocean heat and its causes.  My point is that the MSM tend to grossly overestimate the impact of human activity to further the agenda of the groups that sponsor them. 

[thaibeachlovers]

14 minutes ago, Red Phoenix said:

My point is that the MSM tend to grossly overestimate the impact of human activity to further the agenda of the groups that sponsor them. 

Agree 100%. It's all about money IMO.

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6 hours ago, Red Phoenix said:

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For the segment of the media that traffics in sound bites, it’s easy to declare that polar bears are on the verge of extinction … or that this is just another example of the climate-change myth. The truth, as usual, lies somewhere in between.

https://canadiangeographic.ca/articles/the-truth-about-polar-bears/

 

This discussion is not about polar bears, but about rise in ocean heat and its causes.  My point is that the MSM tend to grossly overestimate the impact of human activity to further the agenda of the groups that sponsor them. 

I don't know what you mean by the MSM. But the reports from the IPCC make for pretty grim reading.

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5 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Agree 100%. It's all about money IMO.

Yes, Big Green continues it's bullying attacks on Little Oil, Tiny Gas & Petit Coal.

[ozimoron]

6 hours ago, Red Phoenix said:

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For the segment of the media that traffics in sound bites, it’s easy to declare that polar bears are on the verge of extinction … or that this is just another example of the climate-change myth. The truth, as usual, lies somewhere in between.

https://canadiangeographic.ca/articles/the-truth-about-polar-bears/

 

This discussion is not about polar bears, but about rise in ocean heat and its causes.  My point is that the MSM tend to grossly overestimate the impact of human activity to further the agenda of the groups that sponsor them. 

Somewhere in between is still a major problem but you are wrong on that assertion as well. My links showed that. That's just a meaningless throw away indicating you don't have an argument.

 

I've yet to see a link from you showing that the polar bear population decline is anything other than catastrophic.

Edited August 7, 2023 by ozimoron

[novacova]

13 hours ago, Scott said:

Not exactly correct:  

The solar maximum cycle is peaking now, and this is causing a slight increase in ocean temperatures. However, the current rise in ocean temperatures is not solely due to the solar maximum cycle. Other factors, such as human-caused climate change, are also contributing to the rise in ocean temperatures.

 

The solar maximum cycle is a natural 11-year cycle of the sun's activity. During solar maximum, the sun emits more energy, which can cause a slight warming of the Earth's atmosphere and oceans. However, the solar maximum cycle is not the only factor that affects ocean temperatures. Other factors, such as the amount of cloud cover, the amount of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere, and the strength of ocean currents, can also affect ocean temperatures.

In recent decades, the Earth's atmosphere has warmed significantly due to human-caused climate change. This warming is causing the oceans to warm as well. The warming of the oceans is causing sea levels to rise, which is flooding coastal areas and displacing millions of people. The warming of the oceans is also causing more extreme weather events, such as hurricanes and typhoons.

The current rise in ocean temperatures is a complex issue with multiple contributing factors. The solar maximum cycle is one factor that is contributing to the rise in ocean temperatures, but it is not the only factor. Human-caused climate change is also a major factor that is contributing to the rise in ocean temperatures.

 

Source:   AI

 

 

Very nice, though I don’t think AI is capable of empirically deducing decades of research and differentially able to decipher politically funded induced science, and politically drowned out pragmatic science that fears losing project funding and job loss by speaking out. There’s absolutely nothing left to add or subtract on the subject due to the political nature of it which makes any attempt to convince null whether one is for or against.

[ozimoron]

Climate scientists on Friday said the rapidly rising temperature of the planet's oceans is cause for major concern, particularly as policymakers in the top fossil fuel emissions-producing countries show no sign of ending planet-heating oil and gas extraction.

 

https://www.rawstory.com/terrifying-scientists-raise-alarm-over-unprecedented-global-ocean-heat/

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3 hours ago, novacova said:

Very nice, though I don’t think AI is capable of empirically deducing decades of research and differentially able to decipher politically funded induced science, and politically drowned out pragmatic science that fears losing project funding and job loss by speaking out. There’s absolutely nothing left to add or subtract on the subject due to the political nature of it which makes any attempt to convince null whether one is for or against.

The only way your allegations would work is if there is a massive conspiracy involving tens of thousands of researchers. It's lunacy fueled by ignorance of how science works.

[gargamon]

Ever heard the insult: “May you live in interesting times“?

 

I'm waiting for hurricane season. With the waters in the Atlantic broaching 100 degrees F, the size and strength of hurricanes this year will likely be much larger than previous years.

 

Interesting times for sure for the US east coast. 

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5 hours ago, gargamon said:

Ever heard the insult: “May you live in interesting times“?

 

I'm waiting for hurricane season. With the waters in the Atlantic broaching 100 degrees F, the size and strength of hurricanes this year will likely be much larger than previous years.

 

Interesting times for sure for the US east coast. 

Climatologists have said they expect fewer hurricanes in the Atlantic because of an expected increase in vertical wind shear episodes. Wind shear hinders cyclonic motion from gathering momentum. So because of that, at least in the Atlantic, they expect fewer hurricanes but when they do occur, they will be much more powerful since not only will the ocean heat be greater, but more heat will be on tap for those hurricanes that do occur.

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