ISRAEL IS AT WAR !

[JonnyF]

12 minutes ago, riclag said:

Its that shock and awe  of seeing the headless bodies of Israeli soldiers laying there on the ground that makes me want to hate anybody who supports Hamas! 
 

Not to mention that poor girl whose dead body was paraded naked through the streets after being gang raped.

 

How anybody can try to justify this is beyond me. 

[John Drake]

On 10/7/2023 at 8:58 PM, bob smith said:

Free Palestine. 

Why is it I never hear Free Xinjiang?

[Chomper Higgot]

19 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

So what? There is caca posting all over the internet of all flavors. That doesn't reflect the policies of any government. 

But this is a discussion forum?!

[Bkk Brian]

3 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

To hear some of the language being used it seems some think they are subhuman. Hmmmm, I seem to recall that language being used last century. Am I wrong?

The terrorists who deliberately murdered 260 or more young music festival goers, injured 1'000's more in just one incident. In tandem with killing hundreds more innocents civilians, kidnapping women children and whole families are indeed sub human. It was an unprecedented massacre and your constant deflection is shameful.

 

Whataboutary on how this could have been avoided is not the priority now, dealing with the aftermath is.

[Chomper Higgot]

10 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

Not to mention that poor girl whose dead body was paraded naked through the streets after being gang raped.

 

How anybody can try to justify this is beyond me. 

Is anyone in this thread justifying that atrocity?

 

Point them out I’ll join you in condemning their support.

[Bkk Brian]

Some pretty graphic and disturbing eye witness accounts:

 

Women have been raped at the area of the rave next to their friends bodies, dead bodies.”

Several of these rape victims appear to have been later executed. Others were taken to Gaza. In photographs released online, you can see several paraded through the city’s streets, blood gushing from between their legs.

https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/news/articles/israel-music-festival-massacre-eyewitness-account

[JonnyF]

9 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Is anyone in this thread justifying that atrocity?

 

Point them out I’ll join you in condemning their support.

That's a bit like saying you sympathized with the Nazi cause but couldn't really justify the gas chambers. 

 

Anything other than complete condemnation of what has happened the last couple of days is nothing short of disgraceful. It is really showing how morally bankrupt the left has become. 

[Jingthing]

3 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

To hear some of the language being used it seems some think they are subhuman. Hmmmm, I seem to recall that language being used last century. Am I wrong?

There you go again with the Nazi equivalence garbage.

[Jingthing]

21 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

But this is a discussion forum?!

No argument there 

[Jingthing]

As far of the blame game look beyond Israel and the Palestinian Arabs.

Look more closely at the pan Arabic world that has for the most part failed to integrate Palestinian Arabs.

[proton]

9 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Some pretty graphic and disturbing eye witness accounts:

 

Women have been raped at the area of the rave next to their friends bodies, dead bodies.”

Several of these rape victims appear to have been later executed. Others were taken to Gaza. In photographs released online, you can see several paraded through the city’s streets, blood gushing from between their legs.

https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/news/articles/israel-music-festival-massacre-eyewitness-account

They do this as they follow a prophet who said he had been victorious with terror. To them he is the perfect example of how to live, so if he did it thats the right way for them. They never compromise, always lie to advance their aims and use terror against those they see as the enemy- in this case Israel for existing.

[MrMojoRisin]

10 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

That's a bit like saying you sympathized with the Nazi cause but couldn't really justify the gas chambers. 

 

Anything other than complete condemnation of what has happened the last couple of days is nothing short of disgraceful. It is really showing how morally bankrupt the left has become. 

Nothing short of complete condemnation of both sides for the countless atrocities committed by both sides over many decades is disgraceful.

[couchpotato]

11 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Some pretty graphic and disturbing eye witness accounts:

 

Women have been raped at the area of the rave next to their friends bodies, dead bodies.”

Several of these rape victims appear to have been later executed. Others were taken to Gaza. In photographs released online, you can see several paraded through the city’s streets, blood gushing from between their legs.

https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/news/articles/israel-music-festival-massacre-eyewitness-account

blood gushing from between their legs

You really believe everything written in   .tabletmag

[MrMojoRisin]

3 minutes ago, proton said:

They do this as they follow a prophet who said he had been victorious with terror. To them he is the perfect example of how to live, so if he did it thats the right way for them. They never compromise, always lie to advance their aims and use terror against those they see as the enemy- in this case Israel for existing.

Why is anti-Islamism not as unacceptable as antisemitism?

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2 minutes ago, proton said:

They do this as they follow a prophet who said he had been victorious with terror. To them he is the perfect example of how to live, so if he did it thats the right way for them. They never compromise, always lie to advance their aims and use terror against those they see as the enemy- in this case Israel for existing.

For hundreds of years Jewish and Christian communities thrived in many Muslim ruled countries in the Mideast as well as in the Balkans and Andalusia. In fact, when Christian armies of Spain expelled hundreds of thousands of Jews, it was Muslim Turkey that welcomed them in.

[Bkk Brian]

Just now, couchpotato said:

blood gushing from between their legs

You really believe everything written in   .tabletmag

I'm not claiming its true however tablet mag is not known for misinformation:

 

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/tablet-magazine

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6 minutes ago, MrMojoRisin said:

Why is anti-Islamism not as unacceptable as antisemitism?

Well, for one thing anti-semitism has a racial tinge to it and the whole blood libel thing. You know, the claim that Jews used the blood of Christian children to make matzoh. In fact, a story from Chaucer's Canterbury Tales features the lie that Jews killed Christian children.  It wasn't until the late 19th century that Musliims started to pick up on that thanks to European colonialism. Before that, in areas of the Muslim world where Jews weren't treated well, they weren't demonized the way they were in Christian Europe. Just looked down upon because the faith they subscribed to was incomplete. The same goes for Muslim treatment of Christians in those regions.

 

Which doesn't make such statements by those such as proton's any more acceptable.

Edited October 9, 2023 by placeholder

[Nick Carter icp]

21 minutes ago, couchpotato said:

blood gushing from between their legs

You really believe everything written in   .tabletmag

There have been videos posted online showing as such , blood stains around the genital area , festival attendees  held hostage by Palestinians 

Edited October 9, 2023 by Nick Carter icp

[Confuscious]

3 hours ago, Morch said:

This has been going on for years, but today the World ends, you say?

A declaration of war by Israel and a thousand of casualties had been going on for years?

Can you give me 1 year when this happened?

 

[Jingthing]

10 minutes ago, MrMojoRisin said:

Why is anti-Islamism not as unacceptable as antisemitism?

Antisemitism is racism so there is a difference. 

I think the term you're looking for is Islamophobia. 

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2 minutes ago, Confuscious said:

A declaration of war by Israel and a thousand of casualties had been going on for years?

Can you give me 1 year when this happened?

 

As you well know, this is what Morch was replying to:

[Jingthing]

11 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

I'm not claiming its true however tablet mag is not known for misinformation:

 

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/tablet-magazine

Tablet only reported what was seen in photos. Obviously photos are sometimes faked.

[transam]

1 hour ago, herfiehandbag said:

It is incredibly naive, no, utter hyperbole, to suggest that Israel has any intention of murdering 2 million people in Gaza. Their stated intention is to destroy Hamas as a government (elected in 2006 and now in the 17th year of their 4 year term!), and in particular the ability to wage war on Israel, and to carry out the sort of large scale murderous attacks which they have in the last 72 hours.

 

This will inevitably lead to casualties amongst civilians, because Hamas hides behind and amongst the civil population, uses hospitals and schools to hide it's weapons and as launch sites for it's rockets. To that we can now add a hundred or more hostages. Such casualties will be terrible, and add to the misery of the Gaza people, misery already hugely exacerbated by Hamas's savage rule.

 

Recognise that Hamas's charter incorporates a clause committing them to the utter destruction of the State of Israel, and one (article 7 if I am correct, although I may be wrong in the numbers) which commits them to the slaughter of the Jewish population - some 9 million.

 

Taking those practices, their domestic human rights abuses, their clear commitment to genocide, and the atrocities of the last 72 hours, to casually dismiss those atrocities with "yes we know all about that" amounts to determined apologism for that appalling slaughter.

 

I said on Sunday morning, at the beginning of this thread, what I thought of you and your views. I absolutely stand by that statement.

Hip-hip....

[Chomper Higgot]

44 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

That's a bit like saying you sympathized with the Nazi cause but couldn't really justify the gas chambers. 

 

Anything other than complete condemnation of what has happened the last couple of days is nothing short of disgraceful. It is really showing how morally bankrupt the left has become. 

It’s got nothing to do with ‘the Left’ Jonny, or the Nazis.

 

The suffering of the people who have been subjected to atrocities is not a stick handed to you to go off on one of your customary anti left rants.

 

Their suffering is not your political capital, and absolutely no one here is justifying or defending these atrocities.

 

 

 

 

 

Edited October 9, 2023 by Chomper Higgot

[MrMojoRisin]

21 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Antisemitism is racism so there is a difference. 

I think the term you're looking for is Islamophobia. 

Jews are not a race!

[Nick Carter icp]

2 minutes ago, MrMojoRisin said:

Jews are not a race!

You need to look up what the word racism means :

Here : Racism 

 

prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism by an individual, community, or institution against a person or people on the basis of their membership of a particular racial or ethnic group, typically one that is a minority or marginalized.

[Hanaguma]

45 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

As far of the blame game look beyond Israel and the Palestinian Arabs.

Look more closely at the pan Arabic world that has for the most part failed to integrate Palestinian Arabs.

THIS is exactly correct. In the aftermath of the Israeli war of independence in 1948, the myriad Muslim/Arab countries in the area could have done the right thing and taken in their Palestinian brothers/sisters. Given them citizenship rights, allowed them to rebuild their lives. But that did not happen. Instead they were kept in camps and fed constant false promises of some day being able to return to an Israel empty of Jews. 

 

A lot of blame to be had there. 

[Hanaguma]

39 minutes ago, placeholder said:

For hundreds of years Jewish and Christian communities thrived in many Muslim ruled countries in the Mideast as well as in the Balkans and Andalusia. In fact, when Christian armies of Spain expelled hundreds of thousands of Jews, it was Muslim Turkey that welcomed them in.

Except, of course, for the 20th century. Most muslim countries in the region forced out their Jewish citizens, who as you say had been there for centuries. Nearly one million Jews were expelled from countries from Morocco to Iran.  North Africa used to be home to half a million Jews. Today, less than 3,000. There used to be 75,000 Jews in Egypt. Today? Perhaps a hundred. 

[JonnyF]

15 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

It’s got nothing to do with ‘the Left’ Jonny, or the Nazis.

Of course it has. Elements of the left have long supported the Palestinians, Hamas and been anti-semitic. As you well know.

 

15 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

 

Their suffering is not your political capital, and absolutely no one here is justifying or defending these atrocities.

 

 

I disagree. There have been a lot of posts giving off the "Israel had it coming" and "what did they expect" vibe. Most have been removed thankfully.

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2 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

Except, of course, for the 20th century. Most muslim countries in the region forced out their Jewish citizens, who as you say had been there for centuries. Nearly one million Jews were expelled from countries from Morocco to Iran.  North Africa used to be home to half a million Jews. Today, less than 3,000. There used to be 75,000 Jews in Egypt. Today? Perhaps a hundred. 

But the person I was replying to made it a theological issue about the very nature of Islam.