How was Israel caught totally unawares on this incident?

Any logical explanation?

1 minute ago, MrMojoRisin said:

Nope.

It's because they are constantly jumping to clownish conclusions and producing clownish posts underpinned with clownish logic.

????????????

According to you !!! Sound like you are a budding Dictature

11 minutes ago, rabas said:

Hamas can release the hostages at any time. 

Indeed. 

Caused by who ???

19 minutes ago, MikeandDow said:

According to you !!! Sound like you are a budding Dictature

Yes, according to me - it is a subjective opinion.

 

What is a Dictature?

22 minutes ago, ravip said:

How was Israel caught totally unawares on this incident?

Any logical explanation?

 

Mostly hubris, being too complacent, and falling for Hamas masquerade.

 

Apparently there were warning - from Egypt, for example. And some signs were detected the night before the attack, but underestimated it's scope.

"Cutting off men, women, children of water, electricity and heating with winter coming - these are acts of pure terror.  -  Ursula von der Leyen

 

 I hope she remember what she said about Russia a while back. 

1 hour ago, Jingthing said:

The time to stop is when Hamas is fully cancelled. Sadly, it's just the beginning. 

Maybe the best way is to get all the innocents safely out the area then drop a nuke on Hamas.

2 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

Maybe the best way is to get all the innocents safely out the area then drop a nuke on Hamas.

That's insane

5 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

Maybe the best way is to get all the innocents safely out the area then drop a nuke on Hamas.

Problem is, in this situation how to separate the two - if not, perfect solution.

Just now, ravip said:

Problem is, in this situation how to separate the two - if not, perfect solution.

Right, and also how to stop a similar group forming in the future. 

Maybe the US guy talking to The President o Palestine today could suggest eh outlaw Hamas and lock all of them up if they refuse. Surely, the good people of Palestine are growing to hate Hamas. 

 

 

Like many threads, they start off well. Then you get idiots and wind-up merchants who jump on the bandwagon who deliberately wreck the thread and spoil a good discussion. As is being seen now. To up the Anti they deflect, blame others, revert to name calling then they use their joker the use big bold print to highlight their wind up knowing it's going to get a reaction. For me, this thread has ended and to the other members trying to argue with them is pointless.

2 hours ago, Morch said:

Get back to reality - the recent casualty lists more of less evened just now. There is no 'extermination' of over two million civilians, other than in hyperbole posts. There is no policy announced by Israel to that effect, and if there was you'd see international support withdrawn. That's not the case.

 

The Stern Gang was not mainstream. Even the Irgun wasn't mainstream. Shamir was elected Prime Minister many many years after events - not right away or anything.

"Shamir was elected Prime Minister many many years after events - not right away or anything"

I find the words of an earlier poster appropriate : mealy mouthed.

22 minutes ago, MrMojoRisin said:

Yes, according to me - it is a subjective opinion.

 

What is a Dictature?

french spelling

5 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

Right, and also how to stop a similar group forming in the future. 

Maybe the US guy talking to The President o Palestine today could suggest eh outlaw Hamas and lock all of them up if they refuse. Surely, the good people of Palestine are growing to hate Hamas. 

 

 

With terrorism, nothing is predictable.

Like mushrooms, different groups popup in the least expected moments/places.

17 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

"Cutting off men, women, children of water, electricity and heating with winter coming - these are acts of pure terror.  -  Ursula von der Leyen

 

 I hope she remember what she said about Russia a while back. 

This deflection was already tried several times.

Did Ukraine launch a mass terrorist attack on Russia, specifically targeting civilians?

15 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

That's insane

Do you think Biden will totally refuse any demands from the Palestinians? That was his predecessor's stance.  

10 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

Right, and also how to stop a similar group forming in the future. 

Maybe the US guy talking to The President o Palestine today could suggest eh outlaw Hamas and lock all of them up if they refuse. Surely, the good people of Palestine are growing to hate Hamas. 

 

 

Or maybe you should educate yourself about Palestinian politics, their ongoing internal divide, and Palestinian public opinion trends. On the other hand, much easier to spout nonsense posts....

12 minutes ago, kalasiner said:

"Shamir was elected Prime Minister many many years after events - not right away or anything"

I find the words of an earlier poster appropriate : mealy mouthed.

That's entirely up to you. I don't think it was a worthy appointment, if that matters. I do realize that it is not unusual for former leaders of such organizations to, over time, become politicians and leaders. Israel tolerated Arafat as the Palestinian leader, and many of the current Palestinian leadership could be faulted along similar lines.

 

2 hours ago, MikeandDow said:

so u belive Hamas is justifed in killing babys , as Hamas is the goverment of the Palestine people  you are a sick person

Sick is to make baseless accusations against a poster without any justification or a shred of evidence.

So you believe the settlers, many from the USA and Russia, are justified in driving Palestinians from their lands and homes which they have occupied for many generations

1 hour ago, Lacrimas said:

This is insane, can't they just target the heads of Hamas instead of bombing the whole strip?

Perhaps you could tell Israel exactly how to target the heads of Hamas.

5 minutes ago, kalasiner said:

Sick is to make baseless accusations against a poster without any justification or a shred of evidence.

So you believe the settlers, many from the USA and Russia, are justified in driving Palestinians from their lands and homes which they have occupied for many generations

Since we are talking about Gaza, please describe how settlers drove Gazans from their homes in Gaza.

25 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

Right, and also how to stop a similar group forming in the future. 

Maybe the US guy talking to The President o Palestine today could suggest eh outlaw Hamas and lock all of them up if they refuse. Surely, the good people of Palestine are growing to hate Hamas. 

 

 

The President of the Palestinian Authority has zero control over Hamas. PA forces in Gaza were removed a long time ago.

7 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

Since we are talking about Gaza, please describe how settlers drove Gazans from their homes in Gaza.

Please learn to read: the title of this thread is "Israel Is At War !".

4 hours ago, MrMojoRisin said:

A journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step.

Congrats, you've taken a single step.

I admitted that I was wrong, (as I always am happy to do on the vary rare occasions that it happens)

   I publicly admitted that I was wrong and offered an apology. 

Do you also have the humility to do likewise ?

  Will you now be like me and maker an apology when you are wrong and also apologise for calling me a "Clown"?

 

   You claimed that 

 

"Don’t expect a response from these clowns admitting that they are wrong in this particular instance"

 

   I responded and admitted that I was wrong and offered an apology , lets see whether you do likewise and you admit that you were wrong and offer an apology  .

  

 

 

 

 

1 minute ago, kalasiner said:

Please learn to read: the title of this thread is "Israel Is At War !".

I was responding to this post:

 

18 minutes ago, kalasiner said:

Sick is to make baseless accusations against a poster without any justification or a shred of evidence.

So you believe the settlers, many from the USA and Russia, are justified in driving Palestinians from their lands and homes which they have occupied for many generations

This thread is about Israel's war with Hamas in Gaza. No idea why you are dragging the West Bank Palestinians into it.

Of course, the Palestinian situation is complex, but it's less understandable if you conflate Gaza with the West Bank, they are separate problems.

 

The Gazans don't want to be ruled by the Palestinian Authority, they want to be a separate state. Fortunately,  they don't suffer incursions from Israeli settlers. The Gaza problem is that Hamas is focused on destroying Israel, rather than improving the lives of people in Gaza.

ISRAEL IS AT WAR !

 

Israel has always been at war. A people that are throughly and tita6 incompatible with other tribes and ethnicities. They work at it.

 

Blame UK/US that land should have never been given to those white Europeans.

5 minutes ago, Jelli said:

ISRAEL IS AT WAR !

 

Israel has always been at war. A people that are throughly and tita6 incompatible with other tribes and ethnicities. They work at it.

 

Blame UK/US that land should have never been given to those white Europeans.

"Blame UK/US that land should have never been given to those white Europeans." bit of a Racist remark

17 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

Of course, the Palestinian situation is complex, but it's less understandable if you conflate Gaza with the West Bank, they are separate problems.

 

The Gazans don't want to be ruled by the Palestinian Authority, they want to be a separate state. Fortunately,  they don't suffer incursions from Israeli settlers. The Gaza problem is that Hamas is focused on destroying Israel, rather than improving the lives of people in Gaza.

Ummm....no.

 

The political divide is not quite a geographic one as you present. There are Hamas supporters in the West Bank, and PA supporters in the Gaza Strip. Both get face occasional harassment and prosecution from the respective powers in control.

 

To the best of my knowledge, there is no such popular Palestinian desire for separate states (as in the West Bank and Gaza Strip). On the contrary, events in one area often cause reactions in the other. The issue is more political in nature, and by now, also of maintaining power and control.

 

To add, it's been years since elections were held among Palestinians. So, in effect, the Palestinian people do not have a direct say even with regard to their own leaderships decisions and policies.