ISRAEL IS AT WAR !

[Nick Carter icp]

  On 10/14/2023 at 4:02 PM, Thorgal said:

The only GoPro Hamas/Israeli kids that has been posted is available on the NY Post (credible link). 

 

These kids have been taken as hostages and are bombed by now. That was my concern. At least I spotted some "resistance" from the Ultra Orthodox Jews in Jerusalem opposing the carpet bombing of Gaza and force the Israeli government to negotiate for the hostages and peace.

 

https://nypost.com/2023/10/13/hamas-seen-holding-kidnapped-israeli-children-babies-in-footage/

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Orthodox Jews are not protesting against the war, they think the current Israeli state is  illegitimate because their Messiah hasn't returned to Earth yet

There will not be peace whilst Hamas is still there , Israel will have to release all its Palestinian terrorist prisoners to free the hostages and then it will just be  continuous   terror attacks and hostage taking and violence and war .

   Israel are going to wipe Hamas out , Israel have asked Egypt not to let Hamas escape over their border .

   Israel will not be negotiating with Hamas

[Thorgal]

  On 10/14/2023 at 4:16 PM, Nick Carter icp said:

 

Orthodox Jews are not protesting against the war, they think the current Israeli state is  illegitimate because their Messiah hasn't returned to Earth yet

There will not be peace whilst Hamas is still there , Israel will have to release all its Palestinian terrorist prisoners to free the hostages and then it will just be  continuous   terror attacks and hostage taking and violence and war .

   Israel are going to wipe Hamas out , Israel have asked Egypt not to let Hamas escape over their border .

   Israel will not be negotiating with Hamas

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Why continue carpet bombing when you know that your own citizens are taken as hostages in that same bombing area ?

[Nick Carter icp]

  On 10/14/2023 at 4:25 PM, Thorgal said:

Why continue carpet bombing when you know that your own citizens are taken as hostages in that same bombing area ?

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It is war, there will be causalities 

People die in wars , its expected 

[Yagoda]

  On 10/14/2023 at 3:15 PM, MikeandDow said:

english only

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Sorry. Technicly it is English, albiet legal English. Here is a summary, its a bit more complex but for a definition...

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tu_quoque_defense#:~:text=The tu quoque defense (Latin,an eye for an eye".

[Neeranam]

  On 10/14/2023 at 3:17 PM, Thorgal said:

Some Israeli Jews are raising their concerns not to bomb Gaza and to fight with the Israeli police. Why is this off topic ?

 

I'm asking in vain to receive credible links of the 40 beheaded babies, raped women and 260 victims of the rave party ?

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The longer it goes on, the more people will turn against Israel. 

[Thorgal]

  On 10/14/2023 at 5:21 PM, Neeranam said:

The longer it goes on, the more people will turn against Israel. 

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The ongoing collective punishment or ethnic cleansing is valid for some 2.200.000 Gazans.

2.200 Palestinians died of which 600 children with no connection to Hamas attacks.

 

Let's not forget that the Hamas Attack was done with some 1.500 militants.

[Yagoda]

  On 10/14/2023 at 5:21 PM, Neeranam said:

The longer it goes on, the more people will turn against Israel. 

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As if the Israelis care. Haters will hate, we in the USA will cheer israel on

[Hanaguma]

  On 10/14/2023 at 5:31 PM, Thorgal said:

The ongoing collective punishment or ethnic cleansing is valid for some 2.200.000 Gazans.

2.200 Palestinians died of which 600 children with no connection to Hamas attacks.

 

Let's not forget that the Hamas Attack was done with some 1.500 militants.

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Funny kind of ethnic cleansing when the population of the supposedly ethnically cleansed area actually INCREASES every year by 2-3%.

 

The people of Gaza have chosen to live with barbarians in their midst, cheered them on, and given them support. Now they have to face the consequences for that.  They have had 15 years to throw Hamas out, and did not do so.  So Israel will do it for them. 

[Thorgal]

  On 10/14/2023 at 6:11 PM, Hanaguma said:

Funny kind of ethnic cleansing when the population of the supposedly ethnically cleansed area actually INCREASES every year by 2-3%.

 

The people of Gaza have chosen to live with barbarians in their midst, cheered them on, and given them support. Now they have to face the consequences for that.  They have had 15 years to throw Hamas out, and did not do so.  So Israel will do it for them. 

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You mix a high natural population growth with a false narrative of reduced or neglectable ethnic cleansing.

 

Innocent civilians become instant terrorists and thus legit targets.

Israel declared war to Hamas, but why implementing a collective punishment to the Gaza civilians ?

 

[Yagoda]

  On 10/14/2023 at 6:39 PM, kalasiner said:

Absolutely disgusting to to regard this as a ball game.

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LOL....look who is taking the moral high ground. 

 

Im just an everyday Yank, kill one of us and as far as I am concerned, turn the perps base of operations into a glass parking lot. Bomb them back into the stone age. Peace through Superior Firepower. You think I give a hoot about being called names by you lot?

[Nick Carter icp]

  On 10/14/2023 at 6:33 PM, Thorgal said:

You mix a high natural population growth with a false narrative of reduced or neglectable ethnic cleansing.

 

Innocent civilians become instant terrorists and thus legit targets.

Israel declared war to Hamas, but why implementing a collective punishment to the Gaza civilians ?

 

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Gaza civilians were asked to leave the potential battleground , Hamas has set up road blocks to stop civilians leaving .

   Hamas will be responsible  for any citizens caught up in the battle .

   Hamas are using Palestinian citizens as human shields .

Hamas murder innocent civilians , defenceless woman and children  , now its time for them to fight soldiers with guns 

   Lets see how they get on .

Hamas will be wiped out

[ezzra]

 

British author Douglas Murray "Only the Israelis are asked to respond proportionately"

 

https://www.israelnationalnews.com/news/378457

 

 

 

[Danderman123]

  On 10/14/2023 at 5:31 PM, Thorgal said:

The ongoing collective punishment or ethnic cleansing is valid for some 2.200.000 Gazans.

2.200 Palestinians died of which 600 children with no connection to Hamas attacks.

 

Let's not forget that the Hamas Attack was done with some 1.500 militants.

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How to bring those 1500 militants to justice? Any ideas?

[talahtnut]

Israel’s “Right to Defend Itself”: An Excuse to Commit War Crimes.

[Lemsta69]

  On 10/14/2023 at 3:32 PM, Thorgal said:

The ethnic cleansing of Gaza - bombing with JDAM smart bombs - is based on 40 beheaded babies, raped women and 260 youngsters killed at a rave party.

 

I'm just asking to back this up if this is used as an argument for carpet bombing of Gaza.

 

 

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I don't think you understand what carpet bombing, actually is.

 

For best results you need a squadron of BUFFs and a <deleted>-ton of ordnance, mostly dumb bombs to keep the cost down. Then you drop them all over a fairly large area instead of trying to hit one specific target.

 

AFAIK Israel doesn't have any bombers, let alone a squadron of Stratofortresses. That, and I doubt they'd have any allies left if they did that in Gaza.

[Thorgal]

  On 10/14/2023 at 8:53 PM, Danderman123 said:

How to bring those 1500 militants to justice? Any ideas?

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Most of them decided to join Walhalla at the early stage of the attack.

 

 

The other Hamas militants who persist will join them the next weeks.

 

 

[ezzra]

  On 10/14/2023 at 9:07 PM, talahtnut said:

Right to Defend Itself

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One men's "war crimes" is another's defending his homeland, How else can a nation defends itself against a marauding murderous, raping barbarians who don't distinguishes between children and old people to a combating troupes?

[Jingthing]

  On 10/14/2023 at 9:48 PM, ezzra said:

One men's "war crimes" is another's defending his homeland, How else can a nation defends itself against a marauding barbarians who don't distinguishes between children and old people to a combating troupes?

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Bingo.

Don't let the Jew haters deny what happened at these massacres in the same way they're still trying to deny the holocaust.

This isn't just yet another periodic Israel - Palestinian flare up.

These massacres bring back memories of pogroms.

Israel went from Never Again to It Happened Again, so now what?

 

 

[Bkk Brian]

  On 10/14/2023 at 9:58 PM, Jingthing said:

Bingo.

Don't let the Jew haters deny what happened at these massacres in the same way they're still trying to deny the holocaust.

This isn't just yet another periodic Israel - Palestinian flare up.

These massacres bring back memories of pogroms.

Israel went from Never Again to It Happened Again, so now what?

 

 

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I watched that on twitter last night, truly horrific, at the music festival the Hamas were throwing grenades into the packed bomb shelters, a survivor inside captured it. His face shows the terror of watching his friends being blown apart. Very disturbing

[Bkk Brian]

  On 10/14/2023 at 5:31 PM, Thorgal said:

The ongoing collective punishment or ethnic cleansing is valid for some 2.200.000 Gazans.

2.200 Palestinians died of which 600 children with no connection to Hamas attacks.

 

Let's not forget that the Hamas Attack was done with some 1.500 militants.

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"Let's not forget that the Hamas Attack was done with some 1.500 militants."

 

Where did you pluck that figure from that you want no-one to forget?

 

There were 1,500 Hamas terrorists killed in Israel in the attack. That is not the total amount who were involved!

 

The Hamas has a 40,000-strong military wing, that's without all those who help and facilitate them.

[Morch]

  On 10/14/2023 at 6:33 PM, Thorgal said:

You mix a high natural population growth with a false narrative of reduced or neglectable ethnic cleansing.

 

Innocent civilians become instant terrorists and thus legit targets.

Israel declared war to Hamas, but why implementing a collective punishment to the Gaza civilians ?

 

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If the population routinely grows, there is no genocide or ethnic cleansing, or the rest of the hyperbole you push.

It's not too complicated.

 

Why keep asking 'questions' you received answers for dozens of times? On this topic, on past topics. It's impossible you're not aware of how things are, and of the reasoning behind actions taken. It's pretty much on all news reports as well.

 

No, what you try to do is troll and run interference. Nothing more.

[Morch]

  On 10/14/2023 at 9:07 PM, talahtnut said:

Israel’s “Right to Defend Itself”: An Excuse to Commit War Crimes.

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Sure. Because nothing happened that triggered the Israeli attack. Just came out of the blue with no reason.

On the other hand, Hamas's barbarian attack is  to be understood in context. Try harder.

[Morch]

  On 10/14/2023 at 9:11 PM, Thorgal said:

Most of them decided to join Walhalla at the early stage of the attack.

 

 

The other Hamas militants who persist will join them the next weeks.

 

 

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How do you suppose them 'other Hamas militants' to 'join them in the next weeks'? Slit their own throats? Realize the error of their ways? What?

 

Would it be preferable to conduct the upcoming Israeli incursion when civilians are around?

[Eleftheros]

  On 10/14/2023 at 9:07 PM, talahtnut said:

Israel’s “Right to Defend Itself”: An Excuse to Commit War Crimes.

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Hamas believes that everyone inside the borders of Israel is fair game - if they are Israeli citizens, adult or child, they are usurpers and colonialists; if they are foreign workers (like the 24 Thais killed), they are serving the Zionist state; if they are tourists, their money is funding the Zionist state.

 

Given that, Israel has the right in turn to consider all inhabitants of Gaza as supporters of Hamas and therefore fair game.  What is sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander.

 

I expect and hope, however, that the Israeli authorities are more merciful, smarter, and more pragmatic than that.

[rabas]

  On 10/14/2023 at 3:51 PM, Thorgal said:

Iran has also been blamed to be involved ? Is there any proof of direct involvement with Hamas ?

 

2 US aircraft carriers with escort will relocate to the Mediterranean sea. 

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Lol, define 'direct' involvement. Funds transferred via SWIFT versus crypto? Training in Gaza versus Iran/Syria? Not sneaking weapons in? 

 

From the Atlantic Council:  For years, Iran has provided Hamas the overwhelming majority of its funding, weapons, and training—all of which were leveraged for this attack.

 

Iran's foreign minister is meeting with Hamas right now in Qatar [reference].

 

[Danderman123]

Hamas knows that mass civilian casualties in Gaza would be politically favorable to Hamas.

[Danderman123]

For civilians to escape from northern Gaza, it's a 10 kilometer walk through side streets.  Maybe 2 or 3 hours, for anyone not wanting to be killed by Israeli bombs.

 

It could be compared to walking from Naklua in Pattaya to  the south of Pattaya.

[rabas]

Hamas is using roadblocks and possibly car bombs to stop fleeing Gazans and kill them. Time to end Hamas.

 

Xlink roadblocks.

 

XLink carbomb

[Bkk Brian]

From the IDF

 

"The world needs to know: we are at war with Hamas, NOT the people of Gaza."

 

 

[Neeranam]

  On 10/14/2023 at 5:47 PM, Yagoda said:

  Haters will hate, we in the USA will cheer israel on

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Is that generally most of US people because they are allies?