1 hour ago, rabas said:

As you are agreeing with the poster's claim of ethnic cleansing:

 

There is NO ethnic cleansing, there is NO carpet bombing of Gaza. If you want ethnic cleansing, look to your friends Iran, Hamas, and others who deny the Jewish state's right to exist. 

 

Follow the logic for one minute.

Wheeler is a dodgy far right character. More than one instance of false comments and reporting. Some would recall her from Covid-19 related nonsense reporting and views.

 

I'm sure that you could make your case without relying on her words.

15 minutes ago, Morch said:

Wheeler is a dodgy far right character. More than one instance of false comments and reporting. Some would recall her from Covid-19 related nonsense reporting and views.

 

I'm sure that you could make your case without relying on her words.

What does Wheeler have to do with anything? Is it your position that Israel carpet bombing Gaza? 

26 minutes ago, stevenl said:

Stop this anti-Semitic nonsense. Now you're accusing people of being anti-Semitic because they say they're not.

If it walks like a duck  ….. you know the rest

 

BTW do you understand when this present conflict started, or like the poster I was replying to, think it only started when Israel responded to the most heinous and barbaric acts seen in this world since the holocaust ?

30 minutes ago, stevenl said:

Stop this anti-Semitic nonsense. Now you're accusing people of being anti-Semitic because they say they're not.

Pathetic. Falsely calling someone something should result in blockage.

5 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

What does Wheeler have to do with anything? Is it your position that Israel carpet bombing Gaza? 

The poster I replied to link a clip featuring her.

Carpet bombing the Gaza Strip? When did that happen? Carpet bombing is not what you now see on the news from there.

1 minute ago, Neeranam said:

Pathetic. Falsely calling someone something should result in blockage.

Prunes are good for that, I hear.

2 minutes ago, Morch said:

The poster I replied to link a clip featuring her.

Carpet bombing the Gaza Strip? When did that happen? Carpet bombing is not what you now see on the news from there.

So, apparently you agree with Wheeler. 

16 hours ago, BarraMarra said:

Explain to us kalisiner why Hamas told the civilians in Gaza to stay ??

You come across as not so smart troll and a bully with unambiguous Zionist views. I will reply not to convince the likes of you as it pointless, but for other members to enrich the debate.

 

Hamas rightly told Gazans to stay because it's their own land and relocation means another 'Nakba' (Arabic term means disaster when they had to flee a war zone thinking it's a temporarily measure but were never allowed back by Israel) as happened after the wars of 1948 and 1976

 

Palestinians prefer to stay in their own land and die for it, but most Israelis have a 'Spare' second nationality so they can 'leg it' when things get serious.

15 hours ago, Thorgal said:

The only GoPro Hamas/Israeli kids that has been posted is available on the NY Post (credible link). 

 

These kids have been taken as hostages and are bombed by now. That was my concern. At least I spotted some "resistance" from the Ultra Orthodox Jews in Jerusalem opposing the carpet bombing of Gaza and force the Israeli government to negotiate for the hostages and peace.

 

https://nypost.com/2023/10/13/hamas-seen-holding-kidnapped-israeli-children-babies-in-footage/

Do you know what carpet bombing is Thorgal ?

16 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

So, apparently you agree with Wheeler. 

I have my own opinions, no need or much use for hers.

My comment was that, generally, she's not credible.

9 minutes ago, Danny Australia said:

You come across as not so smart troll and a bully with unambiguous Zionist views. I will reply not to convince the likes of you as it pointless, but for other members to enrich the debate.

 

Hamas rightly told Gazans to stay because it's their own land and relocation means another 'Nakba' (Arabic term means disaster when they had to flee a war zone thinking it's a temporarily measure but were never allowed back by Israel) as happened after the wars of 1948 and 1976

 

Palestinians prefer to stay in their own land and die for it, but most Israelis have a 'Spare' second nationality so they can 'leg it' when things get serious.

Do you see calling civilians to stay in harm's way as a worthy moral position?

 

And as per your last paragraph, it would seem that many, if not most of the civilians in question are not that enthusiastic about dying for the cause. Of course, much easier to cheer for that from afar.

12 minutes ago, Danny Australia said:

You come across as not so smart troll and a bully with unambiguous Zionist views. I will reply not to convince the likes of you as it pointless, but for other members to enrich the debate.

 

Hamas rightly told Gazans to stay because it's their own land and relocation means another 'Nakba' (Arabic term means disaster when they had to flee a war zone thinking it's a temporarily measure but were never allowed back by Israel) as happened after the wars of 1948 and 1976

 

Palestinians prefer to stay in their own land and die for it, but most Israelis have a 'Spare' second nationality so they can 'leg it' when things get serious.

Regarding your vile lie in the last paragraph about "most" Israelis. 

Not all criticism of Israel is anti-semitic of course.

Yours above is 

Shame on you.

12 minutes ago, Danny Australia said:

Palestinians prefer to stay in their own land and die for it, but most Israelis have a 'Spare' second nationality so they can 'leg it' when things get serious.

Interesting. Good post. 

Just now, Neeranam said:

Interesting. Good post. 

It's an antisemite lie  You would like it though.

Just now, Jingthing said:

It's an antisemite lie  You would like it though.

Why would I like a racial lie?

Jeez, you find it difficult not to polarized on many topics.   

 

2 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

Why would I like a racial lie?

Jeez, you find it difficult not to polarized on many topics.   

 

Pot kettle black 

5 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

Why would I like a racial lie?

Jeez, you find it difficult not to polarized on many topics.   

 

Well, you’re the one that highlighted and quoted that one particular part of the comment; it wasn’t a stand alone comment, you dug out that part to heap praise on ….. think about it

Just now, Danny Australia said:

You come across as not so smart troll and a bully with unambiguous Zionist views. I will reply not to convince the likes of you as it pointless, but for other members to enrich the debate.

 

Hamas rightly told Gazans to stay because it's their own land and relocation means another 'Nakba' (Arabic term means disaster when they had to flee a war zone thinking it's a temporarily measure but were never allowed back by Israel) as happened after the wars of 1948 and 1976

 

Palestinians prefer to stay in their own land and die for it, but most Israelis have a 'Spare' second nationality so they can 'leg it' when things get serious.

so you are a supporter of Hamas by agreeing that the Gazans should stay put  and as for another Nakba that is Only your opinion no prove that it will happen when this is over, are you palestinian because if you are not i dont see how you can speak for them  this post is just rubbish

1 hour ago, Mr Derek said:

By allowing the Palestinians an independent state. Then there will be no need for Hamas to exist.

 

Try it. If it doesn't work and Hamas still keeps fighting (why would they?), then there is justifiable excuse for ethnic cleansing. Until then, there is no excuse. 

The terrorist state Israel would never allow the establishment of a Palestinian State because that is counterproductive. They need this situation to continue forever to justify getting billions in aid and support from the western world for them under the pretence of being the protectors of democracy and as the tiny peaceful nation under threat from barbaric neighbors. Establishing a Palestinian state would destroy this big lie.

 

Hence, Israel has been making excuses and misusing the so-called peace talks process for 30 years (since the Oslo peace agreement) not to leave the occupied territories or allow any chance of a Palestinian State.  To the contrary, they have been confiscating more Palestinian lands and establishing more illegal Jewish settlements in the heart of the west bank and East Jerusalem to make the idea of a Palestinian State practically impossible.

 

 

 

2 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Pot kettle black 

So according your many posts, Biden can do no wrong and Israel can do no wrong. 

Anyone who mentions otherwise is a Trump supporter or an Antisemite , is this correct?

What about what Trump did to help Israel, that must be hard for you to think about ???? 

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7 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

"Let's not forget that the Hamas Attack was done with some 1.500 militants."

 

Where did you pluck that figure from that you want no-one to forget?

 

There were 1,500 Hamas terrorists killed in Israel in the attack. That is not the total amount who were involved!

 

The Hamas has a 40,000-strong military wing, that's without all those who help and facilitate them.

My reliable source :

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Al-Aqsa_Flood

 

Quote from source :

 

Simultaneously, around 1,000^[25] Palestinian militants infiltrated Israel from Gaza using trucks, pickup trucks, motorcycles, bulldozers, speedboats and paragliders

Just now, Danny Australia said:

The terrorist state Israel would never allow the establishment of a Palestinian State because that is counterproductive. They need this situation to continue forever to justify getting billions in aid and support from the western world for them under the pretence of being the protectors of democracy and as the tiny peaceful nation under threat from barbaric neighbors. Establishing a Palestinian state would destroy this big lie.

 

Hence, Israel has been making excuses and misusing the so-called peace talks process for 30 years (since the Oslo peace agreement) not to leave the occupied territories or allow any chance of a Palestinian State.  To the contrary, they have been confiscating more Palestinian lands and establishing more illegal Jewish settlements in the heart of the west bank and East Jerusalem to make the idea of a Palestinian State practically impossible.

 

 

I cannot belive all this BS   its just rubbish from begining to the end where is the proof  of all this  figment of your imagination

15 hours ago, Morch said:

 

There is no 'ethnic cleansing' of the Gaza Strip. Israel's actions are not based solely on what you claimed. Your lame attempts to troll, minimize, and deny what happened are obnoxious, but expected.

Quote from reliable link :

 

Ethnic cleansing is the systematic forced removal of ethnic, racial, and religious groups from a given area, with the intent of making a region ethnically homogeneous. Along with direct removal, extermination, deportation or population transfer, it also includes indirect methods aimed at forced migration by coercing the victim group to flee and preventing its return, such as murder, rape, and property destruction.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_cleansing

 

The Gazans had 24 hours to leave (forced) the area above the natural Gaza river. How do I troll if what's happening to Gaza is described in Wiki...

9 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

 

So according your many posts, Biden can do no wrong and Israel can do no wrong. 

Anyone who mentions otherwise is a Trump supporter or an Antisemite , is this correct?

What about what Trump did to help Israel, that must be hard for you to think about ???? 

All of your post is a total lie.

40 minutes ago, Danny Australia said:

You come across as not so smart troll and a bully with unambiguous Zionist views. I will reply not to convince the likes of you as it pointless, but for other members to enrich the debate.

 

Hamas rightly told Gazans to stay because it's their own land and relocation means another 'Nakba' (Arabic term means disaster when they had to flee a war zone thinking it's a temporarily measure but were never allowed back by Israel) as happened after the wars of 1948 and 1976

 

Palestinians prefer to stay in their own land and die for it, but most Israelis have a 'Spare' second nationality so they can 'leg it' when things get serious.

So the women and children should stay and die, rather than go until the fighting settles down and return? 

8 minutes ago, Thorgal said:

Quote from reliable link :

 

Ethnic cleansing is the systematic forced removal of ethnic, racial, and religious groups from a given area, with the intent of making a region ethnically homogeneous. Along with direct removal, extermination, deportation or population transfer, it also includes indirect methods aimed at forced migration by coercing the victim group to flee and preventing its return, such as murder, rape, and property destruction.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_cleansing

 

The Gazans had 24 hours to leave (forced) the area above the natural Gaza river. How do I troll if what's happening to Gaza is described in Wiki...

Is Gaza not already ethnically pure? 

1 hour ago, Eloquent pilgrim said:

If it walks like a duck  ….. you know the rest

 

BTW do you understand when this present conflict started, or like the poster I was replying to, think it only started when Israel responded to the most heinous and barbaric acts seen in this world since the holocaust ?

That's not what he said.

The narrow and simple mindedness of some posters here is astounding, on both sides of the isle 

29 minutes ago, Morch said:

Do you see calling civilians to stay in harm's way as a worthy moral position?

 

 

The moral position is to stop intentional targeting of civilians in the first place. Do you know how many women and children were killed in the last 24 hours alone in Gaza? 

9 minutes ago, Thorgal said:

Quote from reliable link :

 

Ethnic cleansing is the systematic forced removal of ethnic, racial, and religious groups from a given area, with the intent of making a region ethnically homogeneous. Along with direct removal, extermination, deportation or population transfer, it also includes indirect methods aimed at forced migration by coercing the victim group to flee and preventing its return, such as murder, rape, and property destruction.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_cleansing

 

The Gazans had 24 hours to leave (forced) the area above the natural Gaza river. How do I troll if what's happening to Gaza is described in Wiki...

So, severe storm warnings and evacuation advisories in Florida are ethnic cleaning? Who knew.

 

Gazans were advised to leave their homes, not Gaza, temporarily to save their lives. Hamas is trying to keep them there to die.