Managing forum toxicity and negativity

[Lacessit]

5 minutes ago, Airalee said:

Make the forum “pay 4 play”

฿50 per topic started

฿5 per comment

 

Hopefully, it might prevent

 

1.  Irrelevant off topic one line quips

2. People constantly policing others for spelling/grammar/opinions

3. People beating a dead horse in debates.

4. Asking stupid questions that are far more easily googled.

 

 

 

 

Make it 1000 baht for every poster that claims their wife/GF supports them.

[ChaiyaTH]

8 minutes ago, Lee65 said:

 

Earn it.  Your generation wants every thing given to them.

Earn it? I would build a better one in half a day if I wanted too. My generation wants everything given to them? You are the generation who has little brains and speaks before they think, you are mentioning the 20s generation in that case. I have worked since I was 15.

 

Your reply is the perfect example and reason why this forum has died. And it is run by the same generation, hence nothing will improve, slow death.

Edited November 10, 2023 by ChaiyaTH

[KhunLA]

31 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

IIRC you are the poster who claimed there was an ample supply of lithium for EV's, because the oceans were full of it. I pointed out one would have to process 55,000 tonnes of seawater at 100% efficiency to recover 1 kg of lithium, when the average EV battery needs 60 kg. I can't recall you admitting you were wrong.

Don't recall the post either, but lithium is very abundant, but anti EV'er continue to state otherwise.

 

On that thread, the only time seawater is mention is by you.   So I can neither confirm nor deny, I ever stated such 

 

Let my fingers do some more searching, and check if I'm mistaken.

edit: that didn't show any results.  You may have me confused with someone else.

Edited November 10, 2023 by KhunLA

[Morch]

18 minutes ago, ChaiyaTH said:

Earn it? I would build a better one in half a day if I wanted too. My generation wants everything given to them? You are the generation who has little brains and speaks before they think, you are mentioning the 20s generation in that case. I have worked since I was 15.

 

Your reply is the perfect example and reason why this forum has died. And it is run by the same generation, hence nothing will improve, slow death.

 

So why don't you? Why ask for it to be given?

[george]

1 hour ago, thaibeachlovers said:

While I'm not George, obviously, I can answer that. It was regarded as commenting on moderation, which is against the rules, and certain mods seemed to enjoy suspending posters for any reason, or perhaps it was only certain posters that they liked suspending.

Don't worry in this specific thread. Discuss, come with ideas and suggestions and keep it civil and I will listen and reply as much I can. That being said, moderation has changed the last 3 months. 

[Mike Lister]

I think you've already taken the giant step and showed that you're listening to the posting community rather than dictating to them and threatening them, which has been the dominant style for a long time. Posters and content don't provide fee income but they are the reason why people come here. I think if you continue to do as you are doing now and listen to the community, the community will develop and will make the site grow. Individual niggles about the minutiae will always persist, no matter what you do, you can't please all of the people....etc.

[proton]

How about managing advertising? I asked why the link does not work as interested, and no response!

[proton]

4 hours ago, george said:

 

Things looks good. The forum has a constant growth since 6 months back. We are recovering big time after the very unsuccessful re-branding. Improved SEO and changed moderation attitude is part of the strategy. I'm good at this kinda stuff.. (jokingly).

 

Regarding Dan: He is doing well with his YouTube Channel and property business, and I'm running the AseanNow show since 1.5 years. Forum was not his bag.

 

We are soon launching a campaign to get more new members onboard. Follow this space!

 

How about getting some Thai members on board?

[Shop mak]

Brand recognition: 

THAIVISA.COM

Will the old name come back?

Rebranding as 'Asean now' was a big mistake, no one use that name in daily life among friends.

I'm sure all Admins and mods know this.

[keith101]

13 hours ago, mstevens said:

Too many clowns dominate the forum these days, lowering the tone and ruining many threads.

You can just do what i do and add them to the ignore list and never see their comments again

[george]

7 minutes ago, keith101 said:

You can just do what i do and add them to the ignore list and never see their comments again

Yes, put them on ignore!

[sirineou]

7 hours ago, george said:

There is a way of filtering out which subforums you want to show up in “new content” . Have you tried that? Could we improve that feature? Let me know please 🙏 

IMO the " New content" is fine just as it is , which is new posts. No one forces anyone to read or participate in subforums one does not find desirable. All new posts have a notation at tho it's subforum.  IMO before one engages in a post , one need to see what subforum it is posted in so that he/she could react with in the context of that sunforum.  

[Wobblybob]

4 minutes ago, george said:

Yes, put them on ignore!

That's all very well George but when you put someone on ignore they can still talk about you and you don't know about it (gosh I hope that doesn't sound too paranoid), I like to keep my enemies where I can see them.

[sammieuk1]

1 hour ago, Tidal wave said:

Did you ever get a reason to the font size being reduced to near invisible for some of us before the thread got closed?. 

The short answer is "No" 🤔

[Morch]

19 minutes ago, Wobblybob said:

That's all very well George but when you put someone on ignore they can still talk about you and you don't know about it (gosh I hope that doesn't sound too paranoid), I like to keep my enemies where I can see them.

 

As far as I'm aware, adding the username to the post sends a notice to the 'ignoring' poster regardless of the 'ignore' thing being on. As in 'poster x mentioned you'.

[TroubleandGrumpy]

1 hour ago, ChaiyaTH said:

A forum like this only has a chance to thrive again, if the power is given to my generation (30s).

Gen Z - not likely to have any 'contribution' to anything - exceptions always will - but as a rule - nothing there nor ever will be.

[eisfeld]

15 hours ago, george said:

Your feedback is welcome!

 

Not falling for that trap, you are just baiting us to break the "no commenting on forum moderation" rule! :P

 

Jokes aside I think it's a refreshing topic that shows admins are willing to be more open about the challenges and processes of running a community/forum. I applaud this effort.

 

As for specific feedback: as mentioned by others in this thread there are a few members who open a lot of threads in the pub subsection that well... are pretty much bartalk. I don't have anything against people doing that but there is a section on the right of the page that shows active topics. I use this a lot for discovery and I think it would be great if the pub topics were not included in there unless one specifically browses that part of the forum. Ideally one could maybe configure which subforums one wants to show up there but I don't know if the software allows for that. That's what made Reddit so big. I was never a poster there but as a reader one could dive into the topics one was interested in without being forced to see stuff one didn't want. But at the same time one could easily see what is on offer in general if one so chose.

 

My second biggest gripe with the forum is the personal attacks, baiting, trolling and general toxic attitude of some which I guess this topic is exactly about.

 

I've read the posted file and found it gives a pretty good overview of the general issue of toxic posters and how to handle them. I fully agree with the light handed approach instead of dishing out bans.

[Morch]

32 minutes ago, george said:

Yes, put them on ignore!

 

That makes topics into a circus - posters placing others on 'ignore' then going on about stuff already discussed, or commenting on posts they do see out of context - and that's just a couple of examples. In other words, it can be used as means to derail topics, or troll. Everyone putting everyone else on ignore is on answer.

[TroubleandGrumpy]

1 hour ago, george said:

Don't worry in this specific thread. Discuss, come with ideas and suggestions and keep it civil and I will listen and reply as much I can. That being said, moderation has changed the last 3 months. 

Mate - You asked for suggestions - I have one about something that has annoyed me for a while.

When reading through a good/long post, when I see something I want to 'quote and respond' I cannot 'open in new tab' as such.

When I right click on 'quote' the new tab is not that post - it is at the start of that page.

Likewise, after I have posted a 'quote and reply' rather than take me back to where I was, it takes me to my post (the last post).

Any chance of an IT Mod to allow open in new tab to work?

Like when I right click on a notification - if I right click on 'open in new tab' for a notification, it opens that exact response message in the new tab. 

 

[TroubleandGrumpy]

31 minutes ago, Wobblybob said:

That's all very well George but when you put someone on ignore they can still talk about you and you don't know about it (gosh I hope that doesn't sound too paranoid), I like to keep my enemies where I can see them.

 

I think that a good new development would be that when/if you ignore someone, they cannot see your comments and posts (not just you not seeing theirs). I would rather they no longer see anything of mine, as well as me not seeing anything of theirs.

 

[TroubleandGrumpy]

9 minutes ago, Morch said:

 

That makes topics into a circus - posters placing others on 'ignore' then going on about stuff already discussed, or commenting on posts they do see out of context - and that's just a couple of examples. In other words, it can be used as means to derail topics, or troll. Everyone putting everyone else on ignore is on answer.

Agree not all people you disagree with should be 'ignored' - but the vicious and nasty and trolls should be ignored (and hopefully if we all do that they will go away).

[Moonlover]

7 hours ago, george said:

Please ignore toxic or flaming posts, use the report button instead, is my advise. If  toxic members gets reported by many, the algorithm takes care of the rest 😎

 

I assure you!

That's good to know George. I am one of those members who like to help out where I can by reporting such posts, especially those with anti Thai sentiments which I find abhorrent. But I sometime feel that I'm peeing into the wind when the same poster, has moved on to another topic and posts yet another anti Thai slur! Just like a subway graffiti writer.

 

I have often wondered whether their behaviour does eventually get noticed. If it's not a 'trade secret' could you please explain what it takes to get these posters sanctioned?

[Wobblybob]

1 minute ago, TroubleandGrumpy said:

Agree not all people you disagree with should be 'ignored' - but the vicious and nasty and trolls should be ignored (and hopefully if we all do that they will go away).

But the two most prolific posters on here don't ignore you for trolling, they ignore you for telling the truth, it ends with them posting less than accurate statements and they are not accountable for their falsehoods because they can't see your reply, it ruins the thread Grumpy.

[Morch]

9 minutes ago, TroubleandGrumpy said:

 

I think that a good new development would be that when/if you ignore someone, they cannot see your comments and posts (not just you not seeing theirs). I would rather they no longer see anything of mine, as well as me not seeing anything of theirs.

 

 

Maybe. But when there are multiple participants and other either quoting or referencing 'ignored' posts and posters it could get even messier than it is now.

[matador007]

2 hours ago, Airalee said:

Make the forum “pay 4 play”

฿50 per topic started

฿5 per comment

 

Hopefully, it might prevent

 

1.  Irrelevant off topic one line quips

2. People constantly policing others for spelling/grammar/opinions

3. People beating a dead horse in debates.

4. Asking stupid questions that are far more easily googled.

 

 

 

 

 

This is actually a genious idea.
In theory, every member can claim X Virtual $$ or "Points" on the forum weekly/monthly.  So makes them check in and "Bank" Points.

 

Then use $$ for Topics and Comments, and maybe Likes or positive emoji's can refund their points spent.  Rewarding good Topics/Replies.

 

Reddit abandoned their coins thing, but I think it can be a decent idea overall.

[TroubleandGrumpy]

2 minutes ago, Moonlover said:

That's good to know George. I am one of those members who like to help out where I can by reporting such posts, especially those with anti Thai sentiments which I find abhorrent. But I sometime feel that I'm peeing into the wind when the same poster, has moved on to another topic and posts yet another anti Thai slur! Just like a subway graffiti writer.

 

I have often wondered whether their behaviour does eventually get noticed. If it's not a 'trade secret' could you please explain what it takes to get these posters sanctioned?

If that is the way you feel, then dont read the comments by Expats (mainly) on the website of the largest English publications in Thailand.

I would say that you should just let it go and not seek to get anyone banned - put them on ignore and you wont see their rubbish - you can do that here - not on that place listed above.

[TroubleandGrumpy]

3 minutes ago, Morch said:

 

Maybe. But when there are multiple participants and other either quoting or referencing 'ignored' posts and posters it could get even messier than it is now.

Yes that is true - not an ideal solution if it goes that far.  People should be able to disagree without going too far - but some cannot help themselves I guess - they take it too personally. 

[cdemundo]

I once wrote either "SNAFU"  or "FUBAR" and the mod at that time objected that the F in that stood for a verboten word.

 

I didn't object but all dictionaries have these two acronyms and say that the FU stands for "fouled up".

 

I remember thinking that someone's grandmother must have become a mod.

 

Remember the kid in grammar school who volunteered to be hall monitor?

Sometimes they never grow out of it I guess.

[bignok]

4 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

I'm constantly "surprised" at how many posters click on a thread, read it all and then complain about it, as if they were forced to read it. Don't like it just leave it and don't go back on, OR put the poster on ignore. Simple really.

 

toxicity is on a all time high, currently.

Nah. Toxicity has always been a thing as long as I've been on TVF/ AN. The forum was apparently quite notorious for it.

I learned early on to not go on any threads about people being arrested for child abuse or such like as the language would have shocked the Marquis de Sade.

Yes people should ignore topics of no interest. Why don't they? I'd say in their lives they had no real power so stalking someone gives them a rush. Total power play. Hide behind a screen, abuse some. No harm comes. In a real pub they wouldnt do it. It's a sign of weakness. 

[HappyExpat57]

23 minutes ago, cdemundo said:

I once wrote either "SNAFU"  or "FUBAR" and the mod at that time objected that the F in that stood for a verboten word.

 

I didn't object but all dictionaries have these two acronyms and say that the FU stands for "fouled up".

 

I remember thinking that someone's grandmother must have become a mod.

 

Remember the kid in grammar school who volunteered to be hall monitor?

Sometimes they never grow out of it I guess.

 

I was a mod at "that other Thai forum" for a while and had to resign for that very reason. The "older, more experienced mod" who was training me was an absolute goober. He was (and probably still is) that hall monitor on steroids.

Edited November 10, 2023 by HappyExpat57