Why are we suddenly allowed to publicly criticize Jews?

[AndyAndyAndy]

No so long ago it was absolutely out of the questing to speak against Jews. I remember very well on Reddit there was "Free Hong Kong" movement that went for months. Then somebody started "Free Palestine" movement which got a huge traction. Withing 12 hours everything was delete, everybody banned and there was no more "Free Palestine" movement. That was maybe 2 years ago.

 

But since January 2024 we are suddenly allowed to criticize Jews. And even encouraged. There are news how they are bombing children. News about anti Jews protest. News about this and that. Just right now if you look in new threads on this website there are 3 active anti Jew threads. Not so long ago you were not allowed to criticize them privately and suddenly mass media itself are pushing against them? 

 

What caused such a dramatic shift? 🤨 

[Stocky]

It isn't (or at least shouldn't be) "criticize Jews", the criticism is of the Israeli government and its actions in Gaza.  It's worth remembering that not all Jews are Israelis, neither are all Israelis Jews.

[Nick Carter icp]

The threads are about Israel, rather than being about Jews and you have always been allowed and able to criticise Israel , although attacking Jews because of the current war is still considered to be anti Semitic .

   Voicing disagreement  with Israel's actions is currently allowed and always has been allowed , physically attacking a Jew isn't allowed and never has been .

   Not much has changed really 

Edited February 5 by Nick Carter icp

[Morch]

2 minutes ago, Stocky said:

It isn't (or at least shouldn't be) "criticize Jews", the criticism is of the Israeli government and its actions in Gaza.  It's worth remembering that not all Jews are Israelis, neither are all Israelis Jews.

 

It's important to read comments on them topics, and get a handle on what's actually posted.

Some of this, some of that.

Blanket comments are great, aren't they?

[Stocky]

2 minutes ago, Morch said:

Blanket comments are great, aren't they?

Not exactly sure what you mean, my response was to the OP's question, not to any of "them topics".

[Jingthing]

It's become epidemic but it's not new.

Look at any youtube video that mentions anything about Jews and that includes Israel because Israel is certainly about Jews, and you will ALWAYS find many comments that would give Hitler a woodie.

Also you will see that such Jew hate posts tend to get a massive amount of likes.

I'm not talking about subtle or borderline hatred either. 

This is a fact of life.

I wish it wasn't but it is.

Again it is NOT new.

Refer to the book -- Jews Don't Count.

This has exploded since October 7.

Edited February 5 by Jingthing

[Liverpool Lou]

It has always been ok to openly criticise anyone, including Jews, except where certain laws forbid it (and none of those laws include Jews).

[Morch]

4 minutes ago, Stocky said:

Not exactly sure what you mean, my response was to the OP's question, not to any of "them topics".

 

You can apply that to comments wherever, protests, signs and whatnot.

Saying it's just about Israeli government policy, or Israel's actions in Gaza is not accurate.

I took his post as referencing this forum, what with mentioning three active topics.

[Nick Carter icp]

The Hamas attack on Israel has given a voice and a façade to the Worlds Anti Semites , instead of remaining silent , they can now voice their opinion whilst hiding behind the current war , they just need to remember to use *Anti Zionist* when attacking Jews

[Nick Carter icp]

7 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

, and you will ALWAYS find many comments that would give Hitler a woodie.

 

 

   Didn't Adolf have a bit of trouble in that department ?

[Jingthing]

3 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

The Hamas attack on Israel has given a voice and a façade to the Worlds Anti Semites , instead of remaining silent , they can now voice their opinion whilst hiding behind the current war , they just need to remember to use *Anti Zionist* when attacking Jews

The best example of that I've seen is Al Jazeera interviews where Arabs use the Arabic word for Jews and the subtitle says Zionists.

[Jingthing]

2 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   Didn't Adolf have a bit of trouble in that department ?

Don't know but a brain woodie anyway.

[Felton Jarvis]

Because anti-semitism and race-baiting never seem to go out of style. There are still crypto-nazis around who believe that Jews are a "race" rather than an "ethnicity".

[uttradit]

Most people are not very good. The human race is largely disappointing. Just watch the average human for 48 hours. Ask someone to name 5 wars in the Israel area last 2000 years without google.

 

[mfd101]

1 hour ago, Felton Jarvis said:

anti-semitism and race-baiting never seem to go out of style.

Yes. I am reminded of Poland in 1945-46, when there were only a few thousand Jews left where there had been over 3 million before 1939.

 

So the Poles (under new Communist leadership) held antisemitic riots and pogroms over 2 years, proving that - so to speak - you don't need Jews to be antisemitic.

[OneMoreFarang]

1 hour ago, Morch said:

You can apply that to comments wherever, protests, signs and whatnot.

Saying it's just about Israeli government policy, or Israel's actions in Gaza is not accurate.

I took his post as referencing this forum, what with mentioning three active topics.

 

Sometimes it's difficult to keep things apart.

I guess the Israeli government is responsible for fighting the war in Gaza the way they do it. And especially Netanyahu. He is Jewish and I am sure most of the Israel's government are Jews and most of their citizens are Jews. Does this mean all Jews are responsible? No. Does that mean that a lot of Jews in Israel are responsible. Yes.

And then there is the billion-dollar weapon support from the USA? Who makes sure the USA is doing that? Jews?

It seems there are also some Jews who are against this war. So, we definitely can't say all Jews want to kill Palestinians.

 

I think we should try to separate clearly who is doing what and not mix different groups of people all toghter.

That is also the case with the people in Gaza and Hamas. Are some of them Hamas? Yes. Are all of them Hamas? No.

Who are Israeli soldiers killing? Only Hamas terrorists? Or do they kill also lots of other Palestinian people?

 

In a long debate we can look at all the details. In short it is not wrong to say that (many, not all) Jews kill (many, not all) Palestinians.

[delgarcon]

16 minutes ago, uttradit said:

Most people are not very good. The human race is largely disappointing. Just watch the average human for 48 hours. Ask someone to name 5 wars in the Israel area last 2000 years without google.

 

I think that you have highlighted one of the reasons why people dislike Jews. If you can answer your own question you are probably Jewish and you will go on reminding us of the atrocities committed against your people until the end of time. Most of us had family members or friends who suffered during the World wars, but after a period of mourning we move on, but you can't. Of course we don't know the names of the wars in question. we don't want to, isn't it enough to be forever reminded of the holocaust?

[save the frogs]

2 hours ago, AndyAndyAndy said:

Not so long ago you were not allowed to criticize them privately and suddenly mass media itself are pushing against them? 

 

 

I never noticed because I don't follow the news.

But Noam Chomsky had a book called "Manufacturing Consent". ie the media manipulates people toward certain ends.

So maybe it's a conspiracy.

Or rather, maybe a pro-spiracy, a positive conspiracy.

Maybe the ultimate goal is a settlement that finally puts an end to war in that region for once and for all. 

I am guessing this is the last war ever in that region. 

That's my guess. 

 

Edited February 5 by save the frogs

[daveAustin]

Why are we suddenly allowed to publicly criticize Jews?

 

Poor me post, much . So everybody else in the world is fair game except for Jews?

 

If folk can openly criticise this or that group, then why not jewish people? What is special about them? Ok, I'm a country, but just for being English I am routinely despised by most of the world and they will slag me off to the nth degree on here and elsewhere without thinking twice. And that is alright. If I kick back, it is akin to pissing in the wind. Ok, so that is different because of course a Jew could also be English etc etc so it is about a subset. Without drilling down too much, let's state the obvious... perhaps stop carpet-bombing defenceless people then you may get a more positive response. 

[BenStark]

1 minute ago, daveAustin said:

If folk can openly criticise this or that group, then why not jewish people?

 

Crybabies springs to mind

[uttradit]

28 minutes ago, delgarcon said:

I think that you have highlighted one of the reasons why people dislike Jews. If you can answer your own question you are probably Jewish and you will go on reminding us of the atrocities committed against your people until the end of time. Most of us had family members or friends who suffered during the World wars, but after a period of mourning we move on, but you can't. Of course we don't know the names of the wars in question. we don't want to, isn't it enough to be forever reminded of the holocaust?

Yes people are sick of it but if Israel had they own state without terrorists trying to kill them we could all move on. 

[georgegeorgia]

49 minutes ago, BenStark said:

 

Crybabies springs to mind

That doesn't seem nice Dad 😳

[Nick Carter icp]

2 hours ago, delgarcon said:

 Of course we don't know the names of the wars in question. we don't want to, isn't it enough to be forever reminded of the holocaust?

 

   Once again , a poster brings up the subject of the Holocaust and at the same time asks others to stop going on about it . 

   It was YOU who, mentioned the Holocaust, no one else did .

   (BTW , the Holocaust did nt happen in the Middle East/Israel area, iy happened in Europe)

[Nick Carter icp]

2 hours ago, OneMoreFarang said:

 

Sometimes it's difficult to keep things apart.

I guess the Israeli government is responsible for fighting the war in Gaza the way they do it. And especially Netanyahu. He is Jewish and I am sure most of the Israel's government are Jews and most of their citizens are Jews. Does this mean all Jews are responsible? No. Does that mean that a lot of Jews in Israel are responsible. Yes.

And then there is the billion-dollar weapon support from the USA? Who makes sure the USA is doing that? Jews?

It seems there are also some Jews who are against this war. So, we definitely can't say all Jews want to kill Palestinians.

 

I think we should try to separate clearly who is doing what and not mix different groups of people all toghter.

That is also the case with the people in Gaza and Hamas. Are some of them Hamas? Yes. Are all of them Hamas? No.

Who are Israeli soldiers killing? Only Hamas terrorists? Or do they kill also lots of other Palestinian people?

 

In a long debate we can look at all the details. In short it is not wrong to say that (many, not all) Jews kill (many, not all) Palestinians.

 

   How do non Jews fight their wars ?

Did the USA Army go to Iraq and sit down and talked to the Taliban and convince them to stop terrorism activities or did they bomb the boom boom out of them ?

   Civilians get killed in all wars , its not just wars that involve Israel 

[KhunLA]

Criticizing Jews  ... not allowed.  That must be a location dependent thing.   Don't know where y'all from, but in USA, we have 'Freedom of Expression'.

 

We get to criticize anyone, everyone, any where, any how.  We want to hang a swastika on our front door, we can.  Want give German salute, and sieg heil, we can do that to.   Deny the holocaust, not a problem.

 

Won't get arrested, won't get fined, won't go to jail.   I couldn't live in UK, or the EU.  Not that I would do any of those things, but if wanted to or did want to be an A-hole, it would be my right 

 

That goes with any race, sex, religion.  Voltaire and others get credit for this little diddly, but I agree 100% 

[Nick Carter icp]

15 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

Criticizing Jews  ... not allowed.  That must be a location dependent thing.   Don't know where y'all from, but in USA, we have 'Freedom of Expression'.

 

We get to criticize anyone, everyone, any where, any how.  We want to hang a swastika on our front door, we can.  Want give German salute, and sieg heil, we can do that to.   Deny the holocaust, not a problem.

 

Won't get arrested, won't get fined, won't go to jail.   I couldn't live in UK, or the EU.  Not that I would do any of those things, but if wanted to or did want to be an A-hole, it would be my right 

 

That goes with any race, sex, religion.  Voltaire and others get credit for this little diddly, but I agree 100% 

 

   Yes, you can give a Nazis salute and shout Heil Hitler and you can put a Swastika on your front door on the USA . 

   BUT, on these forums, you need to stay on topic and what you do in the USA doesn't interest many of us 

[KhunLA]

14 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   Yes, you can give a Nazis salute and shout Heil Hitler and you can put a Swastika on your front door on the USA . 

   BUT, on these forums, you need to stay on topic and what you do in the USA doesn't interest many of us 

And here I thought the topic was about criticizing Jews now, and people's ability to exercise some freedom of expression, which apparently in some locations, they weren't comfortable doing.

 

I just continued the discussion, adding the legality of it in some countries.  Expand your mind and the discussion sometimes, and it might explain the lack of criticism in the past.

 

Maybe one of us should reread the OP and I'm pretty sure it's not me.

 

Hey, but thanks for your contribution to the discussion, always appreciated 

Edited February 5 by KhunLA

[Nick Carter icp]

6 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

And here I thought the topic was about criticizing Jews now, and people's ability to exercise some freedom of expression, which apparently in some locations, they weren't comfortable doing.

 

I just continued the discussion, adding the legality of it in some countries.  Expand your mind and the discussion sometimes, and it might explain the lack of criticism in the past.

 

Maybe one of us should reread the OP and I'm pretty sure it's not me.

 

Hey, but thanks for your contribution to the discussion, always appreciated 

 

   How is having a Swastika on your front door in the USA connected to criticising Jews ?

Why is it that when Jews are mentioned, the subject often gets turned to the Holocaust ?

Why do Americans' keep going on about the USA all the time ?

   

[ozimoron]

Criticizing Jews = not ok.

 

Criticizing the Israeli government and leaders = ok.

 

Criticizing any organised religion = ok.

Edited February 5 by ozimoron

[georgegeorgia]

1 hour ago, ozimoron said:

Criticizing Jews = not ok.

 

Criticizing the Israeli government and leaders = ok.

 

Criticizing any organised religion = ok.

Except ...the Greens/Left wing/Antifa  DON'T criticism the Muslim religion !