Judge orders Trump and companies to pay nearly $355 million in civil fraud trial

[stevenl]

10 minutes ago, HappyExpat57 said:

I often wonder if some on this forum seemingly bending the knee to that fraudster are only here to stir up controversial bull pucky or are they really that gullible and/or stupid?

About a third of the US population is that gullible and/or stupid. So chances are they are as well.

[herfiehandbag]

8 hours ago, ozimoron said:

 

Putin is of course going to say that. He needs Trump to win badly so his buddies in the MAGA cult retain control of the House and can always go on vacation instead of having to defend not giving weapons to Ukraine. Trump's biggest US public perception liability is his attachment to Putin. That alone is likely to cost him the election. The statement was a ply by Putin to attempt to transfer some his own stench to Biden and distance himself from Trump. If the Republicans lose control of the house then he really needs Trump to veto any allocation of money for Ukraine. Putin is as cunning as an outhouse rat.

 

But back on topic. I had not read anything on here about how Trump can't raise the money from any NY registered banks. That would be all the major banks inj the world including Deutsche Bank. He needs to get the money from either a Russian oligarch or MBS in exchange for Mar a Lago as collateral since he doesn't have a mortgage on it  Mar a Lago is valued by Trump at 4 times the most expensive private residence in the USA.

Doesn't Mar a Lago have a condition that it cannot be used as a private residence, but must function as a club. Admittedly a condition which Trump flouts openly!

[Walker88]

Despite all the back and forth on this, and the constant whining by his goobers, there is a simple glorious truth:

 

---trump has to pay or post $550 million even if he appeals (Includes $88.3 million owed to Ms Carroll)

---trump does not have the money

---No way any surety or bondsman fronts trump the cash; credit risk is way too much

---If trump sells assets to pay or post, he incurs capital gains tax at Fed, State and Local level, plus he must extinguish the mortgages; that means a huge fire sale with vulture capitalists waiting to pounce on the cheap

---trump cannot even write a check to pay his water bill without the approval of the woman appointed as monitor of his business

---Appeals have little chance of success, as the NY law--State, not Federal---is quite clear, as are trump's egregious violations of those laws as evidenced in Judge Engoron's 92-page decision

---trump still incurs additional interest while appealing, and interest on $550 million at current TBill rates of 5.22% adds up

---trump will pillage the RNC war chest for ongoing legal expenses, hurting the chances of Repub House and Senate candidates in November

---Only his cult will be donating their $5 and $10 kids' milk money; large Repub donors aren't that stupid

---All while trying to figure how to come up with $550 million plus, trump will be facing several criminal trials, including the Stormy Hush Money Trial, the Stolen Documents Trial, the 6 January & Fake Electors Trial, the Georgia RICO trial, the Capitol Police Officer Trial where he's being sued for the injuries cops incurred by trump's terrorist brigade (civil), an IRS Audit where experts say he might face a $100 million judgement against, and---just for kicks---being sued by former lawyer Giuliani for non-payment of legal costs incurred (civil)

Edited February 18 by Walker88

[HappyExpat57]

53 minutes ago, Walker88 said:

Despite all the back and forth on this, and the constant whining by his goobers, there is a simple glorious truth:

 

---trump has to pay or post $550 million even if he appeals (Includes $88.3 million owed to Ms Carroll)

---trump does not have the money

---No way any surety or bondsman fronts trump the cash; credit risk is way too much

---If trump sells assets to pay or post, he incurs capital gains tax at Fed, State and Local level, plus he must extinguish the mortgages; that means a huge fire sale with vulture capitalists waiting to pounce on the cheap

---trump cannot even write a check to pay his water bill without the approval of the woman appointed as monitor of his business

---Appeals have little chance of success, as the NY law--State, not Federal---is quite clear, as are trump's egregious violations of those laws as evidenced in Judge Engoron's 92-page decision

---trump still incurs additional interest while appealing, and interest on $550 million at current TBill rates of 5.22% adds up

---trump will pillage the RNC war chest for ongoing legal expenses, hurting the chances of Repub House and Senate candidates in November

---Only his cult will be donating their $5 and $10 kids' milk money; large Repub donors aren't that stupid

---All while trying to figure how to come up with $550 million plus, trump will be facing several criminal trials, including the Stormy Hush Money Trial, the Stolen Documents Trial, the 6 January & Fake Electors Trial, the Georgia RICO trial, the Capitol Police Officer Trial where he's being sued for the injuries cops incurred by trump's terrorist brigade, an IRS Audit where experts say he might face a $100 million judgement against, and---just for kicks---being sued by former lawyer Giuliani for non-payment of legal costs incurred

 

And yet tens of millions of red hat sheep are saying THIS is their guy.

Shake My <deleted> Head!

[Roo Island]

Here's the law that got Trump. As it has for others in the past.

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/02/16/nyregion/trump-fraud-trial-ny-law.html

 

Still, her ability to extract further punishments based on those other violations is also a product of 63(12), which grants the attorney general the right to pursue those who engage in “repeated fraudulent or illegal acts.”  In other fraud cases, authorities must persuade a judge or jury that someone was in fact defrauded.

 

But 63(12) required Ms. James only to show that conduct was deceptive or created “an atmosphere conducive to fraud.” Past cases suggest that the word “fraud” itself is effectively a synonym for dishonest conduct, the attorney general argued in her lawsuit.

[Walker88]

Just now, HappyExpat57 said:

 

And yet tens of millions of red hat sheep are saying THIS is their guy.

Shake My F***ing Head!

Well, trump does have that 4-word slogan that has more words than his cult has frontal cortex neurons

 

I would be willing to make a sizable bet that the average trumper would test 20 points lower on IQ tests than non-trumpers. The higher the IQ, the less likely anyone would clamp on to things like QAnon (trump has at least 99% of them), microchips inserted via vaccines, the Bill Gates/George Soros endless conspiracy theories, Pizzagate, watch Fox-OANN-Newsmax, buy trump NFTs or pieces of his Georgia arrest/booking jacket, or even think trump is..."like really really smart...and a stable genius".

 

No, one has to be asymptotically approaching the moron level of IQ 70, or even within shouting distance of idiot IQ 50 to be a trumper. Look at his rallies and the kind of folks those draw....

[scottiejohn]

6 hours ago, Danderman123 said:

 

Uttradit vying for the total of Wrongest poster.

He is certainly a front runner but there are a few others in the paddock!

[scottiejohn]

4 minutes ago, Walker88 said:

like really really smart...and a stable genius

He might be classified as the stable genius only if he was sharing the stable with a retarded donkey!

[johng]

Perhaps Elon will help out with the

$355 million   he has pledged to help other defendants in Ireland against the new draconian hate speech law.

[HappyExpat57]

7 minutes ago, Walker88 said:

Well, trump does have that 4-word slogan that has more words than his cult has frontal cortex neurons

 

I would be willing to make a sizable bet that the average trumper would test 20 points lower on IQ tests than non-trumpers. The higher the IQ, the less likely anyone would clamp on to things like QAnon (trump has at least 99% of them), microchips inserted via vaccines, the Bill Gates/George Soros endless conspiracy theories, Pizzagate, watch Fox-OANN-Newsmax, buy trump NFTs or pieces of his Georgia arrest/booking jacket, or even think trump is..."like really really smart...and a stable genius".

 

No, one has to be asymptotically approaching the moron level of IQ 70, or even within shouting distance of idiot IQ 50 to be a trumper. Look at his rallies and the kind of folks those draw....

 

My only argument to this is the few 45 sycophants who are still in my circle of friends (only to keep piece in my immediate family!) are not stupid. They are successful in their lives' endeavors, successful in business and real estate, and ABSOLUTE BIGOTS! The things they say I cannot post anywhere on a social media platform. When I visit the states and am required to make appearances at their homes, I make the trips as short and as infrequent as possible. They ALWAYS have Faux Noise playing in the background. Sad.

[Prubangboy]

The DA was mad the Judge didn't ban Trump from New York for life, that he was only banned for three years.

 

The judge said, "Isn't it pretty much the same thing?".

 

At one point Trump had his own branded urine test. Google image it.

 

This is who they love: the guy who smells like poo and thinks about urine a lot.

[Walker88]

8 minutes ago, HappyExpat57 said:

 

My only argument to this is the few 45 sycophants who are still in my circle of friends (only to keep piece in my immediate family!) are not stupid. They are successful in their lives' endeavors, successful in business and real estate, and ABSOLUTE BIGOTS! The things they say I cannot post anywhere on a social media platform. When I visit the states and am required to make appearances at their homes, I make the trips as short and as infrequent as possible. They ALWAYS have Faux Noise playing in the background. Sad.

Yes, I get that at the very least, a major character flaw is required to be a trumper. There is one poster here, who shall go nameless, who referred to Blacks as "chocolates" in a post about a friend of E Jean Carroll.

[metisdead]

Off topic deflection posts and the replies contravening our Community Standards have been removed,

[herfiehandbag]

14 hours ago, frank83628 said:

i really am not going to be arsed to search links for likes of maddow, morning joe and various others (who i have no idaes the names of) all hysterically claiming trump will be the next hitler.

If you are intending to conduct a discussion on Trumps financial travails, let alone how he intends to conduct affairs if he is re-elected, it is probably a good idea to read and listen to Maddow. Whilst you may choose to disagree with her conclusions, and yes you may not agree with her personal political views, she is by far the best researched and authoritative source on mainstream media. You certainly will need to be able to counter the ideas her written and broadcast work throws up.

[johng]

2 hours ago, herfiehandbag said:

she is by far the best researched and authoritative source on mainstream media.

Laughable !

 

Edited February 18 by stats
off topic diversion comment removed

[jerrymahoney]

Trump’s finances hit by New York fraud case ruling: ‘I can imagine the Saudis lending him $300 million’
BYBERNARD CONDON AND THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
February 17, 2024 at 11:12 PM GMT+7

 

The impact on funding for future businesses could be crushing, though. Without access to banks, he may be forced to use cash to finance new ventures, something that real estate moguls are loath to do and that won’t be easy given his cash payments.

 

Still, only banks appear banned in the ruling, leaving Trump free to borrow from fast-growing alternative financiers, the private equity and hedge funds that make up the so-called shadow banking world.

 

“I could imagine a load of private equity funds with very little prospects sitting on a bunch of dry powder saying, ’Hey, we’ll lend you $300 million,’” Columbia law school professor Eric Talley said, adding, “I can imagine the Saudis lending him $300 million.”

 

https://fortune.com/2024/02/17/trump-finances-new-york-fraud-case-ruling/

[animalmagic]

10 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   Can they send Trump to a prison camp in Siberia ?

Is Guantemo bay still open ?

There is a vacancy at Polar Wolf arctic Penal colony now that Putin has killed Navalny.

[Chomper Higgot]

17 minutes ago, jerrymahoney said:

Trump’s finances hit by New York fraud case ruling: ‘I can imagine the Saudis lending him $300 million’
BYBERNARD CONDON AND THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
February 17, 2024 at 11:12 PM GMT+7

 

The impact on funding for future businesses could be crushing, though. Without access to banks, he may be forced to use cash to finance new ventures, something that real estate moguls are loath to do and that won’t be easy given his cash payments.

 

Still, only banks appear banned in the ruling, leaving Trump free to borrow from fast-growing alternative financiers, the private equity and hedge funds that make up the so-called shadow banking world.

 

“I could imagine a load of private equity funds with very little prospects sitting on a bunch of dry powder saying, ’Hey, we’ll lend you $300 million,’” Columbia law school professor Eric Talley said, adding, “I can imagine the Saudis lending him $300 million.”

 

https://fortune.com/2024/02/17/trump-finances-new-york-fraud-case-ruling/

And of course Trump in hock to foreign ‘shadow banking’ would be perfectly acceptable to MAGA, the possibility of conflicts of interest would not enter their minds, let alone even the slightest recognition of their own hypocrisy on the matter of ‘money to Biden from [insert foreign source].
 

 

[Chomper Higgot]

9 minutes ago, animalmagic said:

There is a vacancy at Polar Wolf arctic Penal colony now that Putin has killed Navalny.

That might infringe the Basel Convention on the Control of Transboundary Movements of Hazardous Wastes and their Disposal.

 

 

 

[Lacessit]

1 hour ago, Walker88 said:

Well, trump does have that 4-word slogan that has more words than his cult has frontal cortex neurons

 

I would be willing to make a sizable bet that the average trumper would test 20 points lower on IQ tests than non-trumpers. The higher the IQ, the less likely anyone would clamp on to things like QAnon (trump has at least 99% of them), microchips inserted via vaccines, the Bill Gates/George Soros endless conspiracy theories, Pizzagate, watch Fox-OANN-Newsmax, buy trump NFTs or pieces of his Georgia arrest/booking jacket, or even think trump is..."like really really smart...and a stable genius".

 

No, one has to be asymptotically approaching the moron level of IQ 70, or even within shouting distance of idiot IQ 50 to be a trumper. Look at his rallies and the kind of folks those draw....

I have never been in a courtroom. It was drummed into me by my father ( who was defrauded himself by an older brother ) the only people who got rich in them were lawyers. In keeping with that axiom, I have always had as little to do with the legal profession

 

If Trump is so smart, and a stable genius, why does he need platoons of lawyers, and has more courtroom appearances than The Phantom of the Opera has had performances?

 

If he was really smart, he would be avoiding both.

[Lacessit]

2 hours ago, herfiehandbag said:

Doesn't Mar a Lago have a condition that it cannot be used as a private residence, but must function as a club. Admittedly a condition which Trump flouts openly!

Mar a Lago has been the subject of dozens of lawsuits, ranging from suing a nearby airport, to food safety violations. Like everything else Trump touches, it's a clusterf$$K

[earlinclaifornia]

22 hours ago, riclag said:

The way I see it, I have a responsibility to help preserve the Republic and the old ways, by throwing my support toward the cause.

Just sent another donation to help out the  next POTUS!

Just doin my part to combat the

Bolshevik's in New York. 
 

imop

 

 

 

 

Well, I support your effort to fiancé Trump. Many here love to know that the circus still has a draw.

[bendejo]

This is not a joke

https://apnews.com/article/trump-sneakers-sneaker-con-philadelphia-4de093eda6f8d1c68baf8fe8095f777b

 

 

[HappyExpat57]

3 minutes ago, bendejo said:

This is not a joke

https://apnews.com/article/trump-sneakers-sneaker-con-philadelphia-4de093eda6f8d1c68baf8fe8095f777b

 

 

 

And the company manufacturing them is based in Wan Chai, Hong Kong.

 

Making America Great Again?

[frank83628]

4 hours ago, HappyExpat57 said:

Pro tip:

Do NOT entrust the nuclear codes to a guy who can't operate a hot dog cart on 53rd and 3rd.

but give them to someone that can't walk up steps to a plane!

[HappyExpat57]

28 minutes ago, frank83628 said:

but give them to someone that can't walk up steps to a plane!

 

At least he's not a fraudster, sex offender, etc.

Edited February 18 by stats
unsourced/unsubstantiated claim removed

[frank83628]

2 hours ago, herfiehandbag said:

If you are intending to conduct a discussion on Trumps financial travails, let alone how he intends to conduct affairs if he is re-elected, it is probably a good idea to read and listen to Maddow. Whilst you may choose to disagree with her conclusions, and yes you may not agree with her personal political views, she is by far the best researched and authoritative source on mainstream media. You certainly will need to be able to counter the ideas her written and broadcast work throws up.

hahahahaahhaahhah, thats is hilarious.  

[Tug]

2 hours ago, jerrymahoney said:

Trump’s finances hit by New York fraud case ruling: ‘I can imagine the Saudis lending him $300 million’
BYBERNARD CONDON AND THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
February 17, 2024 at 11:12 PM GMT+7

 

The impact on funding for future businesses could be crushing, though. Without access to banks, he may be forced to use cash to finance new ventures, something that real estate moguls are loath to do and that won’t be easy given his cash payments.

 

Still, only banks appear banned in the ruling, leaving Trump free to borrow from fast-growing alternative financiers, the private equity and hedge funds that make up the so-called shadow banking world.

 

“I could imagine a load of private equity funds with very little prospects sitting on a bunch of dry powder saying, ’Hey, we’ll lend you $300 million,’” Columbia law school professor Eric Talley said, adding, “I can imagine the Saudis lending him $300 million.”

 

https://fortune.com/2024/02/17/trump-finances-new-york-fraud-case-ruling/

Oh I don’t know I suspect Mr Putin would be happy to spot him the funds trump is by far and away his (Putin’s) best performing asset 

[LosLobo]

20 minutes ago, frank83628 said:

but give them to someone that can't walk up steps to a plane!

 

 

'Accuse the other side of that which you are guilty' attributed to Joseph Goebbels Nuremberg Rally 1934.
 

 

 

Edited February 18 by LosLobo

[jerrymahoney]

18 minutes ago, Tug said:

Oh I don’t know I suspect Mr Putin would be happy to spot him the funds trump is by far and away his (Putin’s) best performing asset 

Whatever might be Putin's great wealth, he doesn't have the liquidity of MBS and the Saudis who could just write a $300 million check, no questions asked.