Israel is at War - General discussion (pt3)

[Bkk Brian]

The ceasefire/hostage talks getting intense. I personally don't believe it will happen but I truly hope I am wrong. Meanwhile the IDF continues to target the commanders of the Oct 7th atrocities

 

October 7-Linked Palestinian Islamic Jihad Commander Killed in Rafah

An Israeli airstrike on Rafah on May 4 killed a senior commander of the Palestinian Islamic Jihad (PIJ), the Israeli military reported. Warplanes bombed an apartment used by Aiman Zaarab, a PIJ veteran based in the southern Gazan city, and two other members of the terrorist group. Zaarab’s killing came two days after a senior PIJ terrorist in the West Bank city of Tulkarm, Ahmed Abu al-Foul, was killed in an exchange of gunfire with Palestinian Authority (PA) security forces.

https://www.fdd.org/analysis/2024/05/04/october-7-linked-palestinian-islamic-jihad-commander-killed-in-rafah/

[Bkk Brian]

Now a barrage of rockets and mortar shells on KEREM SHALOM from Rafah. 10 people wounded, one in grave condition. Remember Kerem shalom? From which most humanitarian aid to Gaza enters? Will we hear condemnations from the Intl community on this or will we only hear when/if it affects the flow of humanitarian aid?

 

 

 

[Bkk Brian]

https://twitter.com/IsraelRadar_com/status/1787339175173247484

 

[save the frogs]

ceasfire deal ?

 

 

[rattlesnake]

1 hour ago, save the frogs said:

ceasfire deal ?

 

 

 

There will not be a ceasefire as Netanyahu has been saying for months that he was going into Rafah no matter what.

The only way to stop the Palestinian genocide is to cease international support to Israel.

[Nick Carter icp]

1 hour ago, save the frogs said:

ceasfire deal ?

 

 

 

   It was ceasefire terms agreed between Egypt and Hamas and no Israeli participation in the talks or agreements , the terms were basically that Israel surrenders and Hamas wins the war .

   Its an attempt by Hamas to blame Israel for a continuation of the war 

[Bkk Brian]

3 hours ago, rattlesnake said:

 

There will not be a ceasefire as Netanyahu has been saying for months that he was going into Rafah no matter what.

The only way to stop the Palestinian genocide is to cease international support to Israel.

There will not be a ceasefire 

 

Rubbish you quickly and deliberately forget this, from a few days ago:

 

US Secretary of State Blinken urged Hamas to quickly reach a decision on Israel's "extraordinarily generous” conditions for a temporary cease-fire in Gaza. "The only thing that’s standing between the people of Gaza and a cease-fire is Hamas,” 

 

Hamas refused.

 

 

[johng]

4 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

Hamas refused.

https://news.sky.com/story/israel-rejects-ceasefire-proposal-and-presses-ahead-with-targeted-strikes-on-rafah-13130835

 

Israel rejects ceasefire proposal and presses ahead with 'targeted strikes' on Rafah

[Bkk Brian]

Just now, johng said:

https://news.sky.com/story/israel-rejects-ceasefire-proposal-and-presses-ahead-with-targeted-strikes-on-rafah-13130835

 

Israel rejects ceasefire proposal and presses ahead with 'targeted strikes' on Rafah

Oh gawd, you are behind the times again. The ceasefire that Hamas accepted was a new one that was drawn up by Qatar and Egypt only. Of course Israel rejected it, it was a full surrender and still no hostages back for months!

[gargamon]

1 minute ago, Bkk Brian said:

Oh gawd, you are behind the times again. The ceasefire that Hamas accepted was a new one that was drawn up by Qatar and Egypt only. Of course Israel rejected it, it was a full surrender and still no hostages back for months!

Hardly a full surrender. It left Hamas in control of Gaza. Hamas must be destroyed. Palestinians must be protected.

[Bkk Brian]

1 minute ago, gargamon said:

Hardly a full surrender. It left Hamas in control of Gaza. Hamas must be destroyed. Palestinians must be protected.

Yea what I meant was a full surrender by IDF was required, complete withdrawal from Gaza while Hamas retains full control, just waiting to perform another Oct 7th

[Nick Carter icp]

7 hours ago, rattlesnake said:

 

There will not be a ceasefire as Netanyahu has been saying for months that he was going into Rafah no matter what.

The only way to stop the Palestinian genocide is to cease international support to Israel.

 

   Interesting that you call the elimination of Hamas as "Palestinian genocide" .

Hamas terrorists need to be bought to justice and the hostages need to be released , achieving that aim isn't genocide  

[Nick Carter icp]

1 hour ago, gargamon said:

Hardly a full surrender. It left Hamas in control of Gaza. Hamas must be destroyed. Palestinians must be protected.

 

   A full surrender from Israel was the proposal  , not a surrender from Hamas 

[rattlesnake]

Israeli airstrikes on Rafah begin despite mounting ceasefire pressure
Palestinians in Gaza thrown into confusion by Hamas’s acceptance of a deal, followed by Israel’s sceptical response and bomb attacks
[...]
Hamas officials were quoted as saying the plan they had accepted involved a ceasefire, reconstruction of Gaza, return of displaced people to their homes and a prisoner swap deal, and that the deal would involve three phases, each of 42 days.
[...]
A Saudi foreign ministry statement warned of the “dangers of the Israeli occupation forces targeting the city of Rafah as part of its systematic bloody campaign to storm all areas of the Gaza Strip and displace its residents towards the unknown”.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/article/2024/may/06/gaza-ceasefire-hangs-in-balance-as-israel-carries-out-night-airstrikes-on-rafah

[rattlesnake]

Hundreds protest across Israel calling for Netanyahu to accept ceasefire deal
Police cleared a large protest in Tel Aviv, where hundreds were urging Benjamin Netanyahu to accept the terms of a Hamas truce deal in Gaza

https://www.theguardian.com/world/article/2024/may/07/israel-protests-benjamin-netanyahu-ceasefire-proposal-hamas-rafah-attack-gaza

[Bkk Brian]

48 minutes ago, rattlesnake said:

Hundreds protest across Israel calling for Netanyahu to accept ceasefire deal
Police cleared a large protest in Tel Aviv, where hundreds were urging Benjamin Netanyahu to accept the terms of a Hamas truce deal in Gaza

https://www.theguardian.com/world/article/2024/may/07/israel-protests-benjamin-netanyahu-ceasefire-proposal-hamas-rafah-attack-gaza

Most of the Israeli public (82%) supports a military operation in the area of Rafah in the southern Gaza Strip,

 

[rattlesnake]

13 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Most of the Israeli public (82%) supports a military operation in the area of Rafah in the southern Gaza Strip,

 

 

Absolutely. But it is still notable that even in Israel, which is not exactly a Pro-Palestinian enclave, people are beginning to say enough is enough.

[Bkk Brian]

5 minutes ago, rattlesnake said:

 

Absolutely. But it is still notable that even in Israel, which is not exactly a Pro-Palestinian enclave, people are beginning to say enough is enough.

Yes hundreds, its a democracy

[niccodemi]

Interview with Hala Rharrit - American diplomat who recently resigned over U.S. policy in Gaza.

[Yellowtail]

2 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

Yes hundreds, its a democracy

Hundreds out of millions, and how many of those protesting have a relative being held hostage by Palestine? 

 

 

[Yellowtail]

2 hours ago, niccodemi said:

Interview with Hala Rharrit - American diplomat who recently resigned over U.S. policy in Gaza.

Probably got a gig ad an expert on CNN. 

 

And not an "American diplomat" 

 

"Hala Rharrit serves as Arabic Language Spokesperson for the State Department and as the Dubai Regional Media Hub’s Deputy Director."

Hala Rharrit - United States Department of State

 

CNN playing fast and loose with the facts again. 

Hala Rharrit, US diplomat who quit over Biden administration’s Gaza policy, speaks out | CNN Politics

 

[niccodemi]

23 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

Probably got a gig ad an expert on CNN. 

 

And not an "American diplomat" 

 

"Hala Rharrit serves as Arabic Language Spokesperson for the State Department and as the Dubai Regional Media Hub’s Deputy Director."

Hala Rharrit - United States Department of State

 

CNN playing fast and loose with the facts again. 

Hala Rharrit, US diplomat who quit over Biden administration’s Gaza policy, speaks out | CNN Politics

 

 

What makes her "not an American diplomat" ?

[Neeranam]

6 hours ago, rattlesnake said:

 

Absolutely. But it is still notable that even in Israel, which is not exactly a Pro-Palestinian enclave, people are beginning to say enough is enough.

As time goes on more and more people are saying that.

They know very well there are severe consequences of their massacre, very sever for the rest of their lives. 

[Neeranam]

6 hours ago, niccodemi said:

Interview with Hala Rharrit - American diplomat who recently resigned over U.S. policy in Gaza.

thanks, good video -  a woman of integrity, unlike the other diplomats who are making excuses for sending their weapons. 

[Nick Carter icp]

7 hours ago, rattlesnake said:

 

Absolutely. But it is still notable that even in Israel, which is not exactly a Pro-Palestinian enclave, people are beginning to say enough is enough.

 

   Nope, enough will be when all the hostages are freed and all Hamas are dead .

That is when it will be enough 

[Nick Carter icp]

24 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

Of course they do, Genocide is hard to hide if there is a ceasefire. 

 

   It was a dirty dishonest ploy by Hamas , trying to keep the Palestinian civilians in Rafah by telling them there has been a ceasefire and cause the civilian casualties to mount up . 

   Hamas also waited until Israel had began their attack on Rafah before mentioning  a ceasefire , a ceasefire which was just a complete Israel surrender and would never be accepted .

   Shocking how gullible some people are 

[rattlesnake]

25 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   Nope, enough will be when all the hostages are freed and all Hamas are dead .

That is when it will be enough 

 

I know what you think and want. Increasingly less people agree with you.

[NativeBob]

39 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

Of course they do, Genocide is hard to hide if there is a ceasefire. 

Yes, absolutely. 

Unfortunately after Oslo there won't be any ceasefires: every family on both sides lost their members >>> it's hard to forgive an forget, isn't? 

I've heard horrible stories from both sides, from those members.

[rattlesnake]

14 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   It was a dirty dishonest ploy by Hamas , trying to keep the Palestinian civilians in Rafah by telling them there has been a ceasefire and cause the civilian casualties to mount up . 

   Hamas also waited until Israel had began their attack on Rafah before mentioning  a ceasefire , a ceasefire which was just a complete Israel surrender and would never be accepted .

   Shocking how gullible some people are 

 

30 April:

Netanyahu vows to raid Rafah ‘with or without’ hostage deal
Benjamin Netanyahu has vowed that Israel will proceed with an offensive on the southern Gaza city of Rafah even if renewed efforts at internationally brokered talks with Hamas result in the release of hostages and a ceasefire.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/apr/30/netanyahu-vows-to-raid-rafah-with-or-without-hostage-deal#:~:text=Benjamin Netanyahu has vowed that,of hostages and a ceasefire.

[Nick Carter icp]

Just now, rattlesnake said:

 

30 April:

Netanyahu vows to raid Rafah ‘with or without’ hostage deal
Benjamin Netanyahu has vowed that Israel will proceed with an offensive on the southern Gaza city of Rafah even if renewed efforts at internationally brokered talks with Hamas result in the release of hostages and a ceasefire.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/apr/30/netanyahu-vows-to-raid-rafah-with-or-without-hostage-deal#:~:text=Benjamin Netanyahu has vowed that,of hostages and a ceasefire.

 

   Yes, I know , I read it when it was published last week .

Why did you post it again ?