1 hour ago, Jeff the Chef said:

 

Anything that comes from Israel media, is propaganda as it isn't verifiable by international media.

 

1 hour ago, Wobblybob said:

It is a warzone and Israel cannot guarantee the safety of any reporters, and also reporters wandering about near Israeli troops could compromise their positions!

 

"Israel’s military can continue barring foreign journalists from accessing the Gaza Strip, the High Court said Monday, citing ongoing security concerns after months in which only Gazans or correspondents accompanied by the army have been able to report from inside the enclave."

 

https://www.timesofisrael.com/high-court-says-israel-can-keep-barring-foreign-reporters-from-gaza/

 

1 hour ago, Bkk Brian said:

Just making things up now.

 

Here's a fresh report:

 

CIA chief due in Israel Wednesday for talks with Netanyahu, other top officials

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog-may-08-2024/

 

 

 

All from the Israel Times, a totally viable source, of course it is if you only want the Israeli view.

If the International media in Israel reports anything it has to be vetted first, or they can't report it, never mind about the situation in Gaza

 

Politicians have significant influence over appointments to the broadcasting regulatory bodies. Channel 14 is known to provide very favourable coverage of the prime minister, with few critical voices. Since the start of the war with Hamas, a majority of the media has increasingly relayed the government’s propaganda in favour of the war, and critical voices find it difficult to be heard. Coverage of the war in Gaza has been seriously hindered, as only journalists embedded with the IDF are allowed to enter the enclave.

 

https://rsf.org/en/country/israel

6 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   Here is a lie by USA media . 

The only ceasefire agreed to by Hamas was the ceasefire proposed by Hamas  , which was so one sided that there was no way Israel would even consider it .

 

 

 

Fantastic, you found something that has absolutely nothing to do with my point/post.

 

"Anything that comes from Israel media, is propaganda as it isn't verifiable by international media.""

 

 

9 minutes ago, Jeff the Chef said:

 

 

 

All from the Israel Times, a totally viable source, of course it is if you only want the Israeli view.

If the International media in Israel reports anything it has to be vetted first, or they can't report it, never mind about the situation in Gaza

 

Politicians have significant influence over appointments to the broadcasting regulatory bodies. Channel 14 is known to provide very favourable coverage of the prime minister, with few critical voices. Since the start of the war with Hamas, a majority of the media has increasingly relayed the government’s propaganda in favour of the war, and critical voices find it difficult to be heard. Coverage of the war in Gaza has been seriously hindered, as only journalists embedded with the IDF are allowed to enter the enclave.

 

https://rsf.org/en/country/israel

Your claim:

 

2 hours ago, Jeff the Chef said:

 

Anything that comes from Israel media, is propaganda as it isn't verifiable by international media.

Your claim is wrong.

 

Its has a "high" factual rating for news, the same as the New York Times. 

9 minutes ago, Jeff the Chef said:

 

Fantastic, you found something that has absolutely nothing to do with my point/post.

 

"Anything that comes from Israel media, is propaganda as it isn't verifiable by international media.""

 

 

 

   My point was that the International media peddle lies , so they are in no position to verify anything Israel media reports .

   I have pointed out a lie by the international media , what Israeli media news reports are you referring to ?

   Or do you mean that everything a Jew says is a lie and everything a non Jew says is the truth ?

11 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Your claim:

 

Your claim is wrong.

 

Its has a "high" factual rating for news, the same as the New York Times. 

 

More than 50 tenured journalism professors from top universities have signed a letter calling on the New York Times to address questions about a major investigative report that described a “pattern of gender-based violence” in the Oct. 7 Hamas attacks on Israel.

The letter follows months of criticism and concerns raised by outside critics as well as some Times staffers about the credibility of its sourcing and the editorial process for the story.

The letter, signed by professors at colleges including New York University, the University of Pennsylvania, Emory and the University of Texas, asks the Times to “immediately commission a group of journalism experts to conduct a thorough and full independent review of the reporting, editing and publishing processes for this story and release a report of the findings.”

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/style/media/2024/04/29/new-york-times-oct-7-journalism-professors-letter/

22 minutes ago, Jeff the Chef said:

 

 

 

All from the Israel Times, a totally viable source, of course it is if you only want the Israeli view.

If the International media in Israel reports anything it has to be vetted first, or they can't report it, never mind about the situation in Gaza

 

Politicians have significant influence over appointments to the broadcasting regulatory bodies. Channel 14 is known to provide very favourable coverage of the prime minister, with few critical voices. Since the start of the war with Hamas, a majority of the media has increasingly relayed the government’s propaganda in favour of the war, and critical voices find it difficult to be heard. Coverage of the war in Gaza has been seriously hindered, as only journalists embedded with the IDF are allowed to enter the enclave.

 

https://rsf.org/en/country/israel

 

   You really should put quotes in quotation marks as its unclear what you wrote and what you copy and pasted .

   The second paragraph is copy and pasted , did you write the first paragraph or did you C&P it ? 

If I want to reply to the C&P ed stuff , I will search for the author and reply to him personally 

3 minutes ago, Jeff the Chef said:

 

More than 50 tenured journalism professors from top universities have signed a letter calling on the New York Times to address questions about a major investigative report that described a “pattern of gender-based violence” in the Oct. 7 Hamas attacks on Israel.

The letter follows months of criticism and concerns raised by outside critics as well as some Times staffers about the credibility of its sourcing and the editorial process for the story.

The letter, signed by professors at colleges including New York University, the University of Pennsylvania, Emory and the University of Texas, asks the Times to “immediately commission a group of journalism experts to conduct a thorough and full independent review of the reporting, editing and publishing processes for this story and release a report of the findings.”

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/style/media/2024/04/29/new-york-times-oct-7-journalism-professors-letter/

LOL, the Israel Times has a higher factual rating than the Washington Post. Would you like to get back on topic now?

8 minutes ago, Jeff the Chef said:

 

More than 50 tenured journalism professors from top universities have signed a letter calling on the New York Times to address questions about a major investigative report that described a “pattern of gender-based violence” in the Oct. 7 Hamas attacks on Israel.

The letter follows months of criticism and concerns raised by outside critics as well as some Times staffers about the credibility of its sourcing and the editorial process for the story.

The letter, signed by professors at colleges including New York University, the University of Pennsylvania, Emory and the University of Texas, asks the Times to “immediately commission a group of journalism experts to conduct a thorough and full independent review of the reporting, editing and publishing processes for this story and release a report of the findings.”

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/style/media/2024/04/29/new-york-times-oct-7-journalism-professors-letter/

 

i.e. antisemitic leftists. 

2 hours ago, Jeff the Chef said:

 

Anything that comes from Israel media, is propaganda as it isn't verifiable by international media.

This from a self confessed antisemite. Your post is there for all to see

This clears it up. From US State Department spokesperson Matthew Miller.

 

US: Hamas claimed to accept ceasefire offer, but ‘that’s not what they did’

"Hamas seemed to make clear in their public statements that they accepted that offer yesterday. That is not what they did. They responded with amendments or a counter-proposal, and we’re working through the details of that now.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/us-hamas-claimed-to-accept-ceasefire-offer-but-thats-not-what-they-did/

 

 

 

51 minutes ago, Jeff the Chef said:

 

Fantastic, you found something that has absolutely nothing to do with my point/post.

 

"Anything that comes from Israel media, is propaganda as it isn't verifiable by international media.""

 

 

 

   If journalists were allowed to freely roam around  Gaza its quite likely that they would find the location of the hostages and then Hamas would have to kill the journalists , Hamas likely would kill the journalists on sight over suspicions that they may be IDF in disguise .

   It would even be a good opportunity for Israel to send in IDF disguised as reporters 

25 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   If journalists were allowed to freely roam around  Gaza its quite likely that they would find the location of the hostages and then Hamas would have to kill the journalists , Hamas likely would kill the journalists on sight over suspicions that they may be IDF in disguise .

   It would even be a good opportunity for Israel to send in IDF disguised as reporters 

One of the high risks that I always thought about would be the reporters being taken hostage themselves. After all, this is a unique war, the terrorists walk among civilians. International reporters would need a high level of protection from IDF otherwise they'll be a major target for kidnapping. Hamas don't bother kidnapping Al Jazeera....we know why......lol

29 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

After all, this is a unique war, the terrorists walk among civilians. International reporters would need a high level of protection from IDF

In Freudian slip kinda of way you are correct   reporters need protection from the IDF  considering how many have been killed so far in this "unique" conflict so far !!  more than any other "conflict" in modern times

how many at the hands of "terrorists" ? 

3 minutes ago, johng said:

In Freudian slip kinda of way you are correct   reporters need protection from the IDF  considering how many have been killed so far in this "unique" conflict so far !!  more than any other "conflict" in modern times

how many at the hands of "terrorists" ? 

No Freudian slip here. Just the high risk of international reporters getting kidnapped. 

2 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

One of the high risks that I always thought about would be the reporters being taken hostage themselves. After all, this is a unique war, the terrorists walk among civilians. International reporters would need a high level of protection from IDF otherwise they'll be a major target for kidnapping. Hamas don't bother kidnapping Al Jazeera....we know why......lol

Reporters have made it clear that they don't expect any protection from the Israelis. And your foolish comment about Al Jazeera demonstrates precisely why independent outside reporters are needed. People like you will reflexively use the affiliations of those reporters currently inside GAZa to disqualify them.

2 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

One of the high risks that I always thought about would be the reporters being taken hostage themselves. After all, this is a unique war, the terrorists walk among civilians. International reporters would need a high level of protection from IDF otherwise they'll be a major target for kidnapping. Hamas don't bother kidnapping Al Jazeera....we know why......lol

And is Israeli solicitude for the welfare of reporters the same reason they won't allow them to visit camps where Hamas prisoners are being held?(whether all those being held are actually Hamas soldiers or linked at all to Hamas is another matter) 

10 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Reporters have made it clear that they don't expect any protection from the Israelis. And your foolish comment about Al Jazeera demonstrates precisely why independent outside reporters are needed. People like you will reflexively use the affiliations of those reporters currently inside GAZa to disqualify them.

Why do they not get Hamas to protect them? Is Hamas not the "good guys" in this conflict? The press is certainly doing all they can to help Hamas, where's the  reciprocity?

2 minutes ago, placeholder said:

And is Israeli solicitude for the welfare of reporters the same reason they won't allow them to visit camps where Hamas prisoners are being held?(whether all those being held are actually Hamas soldiers or linked at all to Hamas is another matter) 

Why should they let their enemy communicate with other enemies being held captive? 

Quick reminder of why this war started. From Biden yesterday

 

“Not 75 years later, but just seven and a half months later, and people are already forgetting…that *Hamas* unleashed this terror. It was *Hamas* that brutalized Israelis. It was *Hamas* who took and continues to hold hostages. I have not forgotten, nor have you.”

 

https://twitter.com/IsraelinUSA/status/1787938654817583169

10 minutes ago, coolcarer said:

Quick reminder of why this war started. From Biden yesterday

 

“Not 75 years later, but just seven and a half months later, and people are already forgetting…that *Hamas* unleashed this terror. It was *Hamas* that brutalized Israelis. It was *Hamas* who took and continues to hold hostages. I have not forgotten, nor have you.”

 

https://twitter.com/IsraelinUSA/status/1787938654817583169

Yeah, he finally figured out there are a lot more Jewish voters than Muslim. 

3 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   If journalists were allowed to freely roam around  Gaza its quite likely that they would find the location of the hostages and then Hamas would have to kill the journalists , Hamas likely would kill the journalists on sight over suspicions that they may be IDF in disguise .

   It would even be a good opportunity for Israel to send in IDF disguised as reporters 

 

Like the IDF did when they executed people in their hospital beds dressed as medics.

Bet the ICJ/ICC loved that one.

19 minutes ago, coolcarer said:

Quick reminder of why this war started. From Biden yesterday

 

“Not 75 years later, but just seven and a half months later, and people are already forgetting…that *Hamas* unleashed this terror. It was *Hamas* that brutalized Israelis. It was *Hamas* who took and continues to hold hostages. I have not forgotten, nor have you.”

 

https://twitter.com/IsraelinUSA/status/1787938654817583169

Would this be the same Joe Biden who is now withholding bombs from Israel because of its plans to invade Rafah? Or is that a different Joe Biden?

1 minute ago, Jeff the Chef said:

 

Like the IDF did when they executed people in their hospital beds dressed as medics.

Bet the ICJ/ICC loved that one.

You mean "Hamaspital" beds. 

47 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

Why do they not get Hamas to protect them? Is Hamas not the "good guys" in this conflict? The press is certainly doing all they can to help Hamas, where's the  reciprocity?

 

45 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

Why should they let their enemy communicate with other enemies being held captive? 

 

So the press only support Hamas, and Israeli press is totally unbiased, I'd have thought if Israel had nothing to hide they'd welcome the scrutiny but as most people know that's untrue especially where Palestinian prisoners are concerned.  

Just now, Jeff the Chef said:

 

Like the IDF did when they executed people in their hospital beds dressed as medics.

Bet the ICJ/ICC loved that one.

 

   Please could you start giving the full story to your claims . 

I seem to spend too much of my time correcting you and giving the full story .Would you like to explain who the three people were , or shall I do it ?

 

 

Israeli forces kill three Palestinian fighters in West Bank hospital raid

 

 

Israeli forces have killed three members of Palestinian armed groups in a hospital in the occupied West Bank.

CCTV footage showed members of an undercover unit disguised as medics and other civilians making their way through a corridor with rifles raised.

The Israeli military said the men were hiding in the Jenin hospital, and that one was about to carry out an attack.

 

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-68137050

2 minutes ago, Jeff the Chef said:

So the press only support Hamas,

Most of the press, yes

2 minutes ago, Jeff the Chef said:

and Israeli press is totally unbiased,

No, did someone say it was? 

2 minutes ago, Jeff the Chef said:

I'd have thought if Israel had nothing to hide they'd welcome the scrutiny but as most people know that's untrue especially where Palestinian prisoners are concerned.  

Why would you think that? 

12 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Would this be the same Joe Biden who is now withholding bombs from Israel because of its plans to invade Rafah? Or is that a different Joe Biden?

Were there two Joe Bidens at the holocaust day memorial when he said this or are you just plain trolling and deflecting from such a sombre event that happened.

13 minutes ago, coolcarer said:

Were there two Joe Bidens at the holocaust day memorial when he said this or are you just plain trolling and deflecting from such a sombre event that happened.

 

I guess I've seen I've seen the Holocaust shamelessly exploited too many times in order to justify Israel's tactics in its invasion of Gaza such as the meme "Deadliest Day for Jews Since the Holocaust" and similar formulations. Or criticism of Israel's conduct in Gaza being equated with anti-Semitism.

source

 

7 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

That's been in Israeli media for quite some time

https://www.timesofisrael.com/us-confirms-holding-up-sale-of-heavy-bombs-it-feared-israel-would-use-in-rafah/

 

Its also in the other topic

This is what's new:

Confirmation of the arms pause came just hours after Israel sent tanks into the city in southern Gaza.

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/05/07/us/politics/israel-biden-arms.html

 

You think the timing of that confirmation is just a coincidence?

9 minutes ago, placeholder said:

 

I guess I've seen I've seen the Holocaust shamelessly exploited too many times in order to justify Israel's tactics in its invasion of Gaza such as the meme "Deadliest Day for Jews Since the Holocaust" and similar formulations. Or criticism of Israel's conduct in Gaza being equated with anti-Semitism.

source

 

Are sarcasm is evidence of who was exploiting it.