Foreigners among World Central Kitchen staff killed in Israeli strike

[Nick Carter icp]

2 minutes ago, Danny Australia said:

 

For years, Israel has been engaging in clandestine operations against Iran, targeting its leaders, scientists, infrastructure, and global interests.

 

Iran possesses the capability to decimate Israel within hours, yet they exhibit strategic restraint, focusing on their ultimate goal (The Nuclear Bomb). Their patience may soon bear fruit when they ultimately acquire nuclear capabilities.

 

While not necessarily fond of the Iranian regime as such, it's conceivable that they could become humanity's last resort in containing the region’s pariah state.

 

With Iran's inevitable imminent acquisition of nuclear deterrence, the once ferocious "mad dog" may well be tamed into a fluffy cat.

 

   ^ Off topic about Iran .

Why wont you answer my question ?

OK, as you will not answer my question . 

You made false untrue accusations about me in public .

Please don't do it again 

[Danny Australia]

1 hour ago, Bkk Brian said:

Suella Braverman is a bigot who was kicked out of the government for various violations. She is not a lawyer to make such stupid biased statement.

 

Actually she is also an excellent barrister (lawyer to you) and also served as  Attorney General for England and Wales and advocate general for Northern Ireland.

You still going on about one dodgy, controversial bigot who is now a sacked Politician but ignoring the expert views of three former supreme court justices, including the court’s former president Lady Hale, and more than 600 lawyers, academics and retired senior judges warning that the UK government is breaching international law by continuing to arm Israel.

 

Seems very ridiculous argument to put Suella Braverman at par with 3 former supreme court justices and another 600 experts. 603 against 1 for God's sake.

[Bkk Brian]

3 minutes ago, Danny Australia said:

You still going on about one dodgy, controversial bigot who is now a sacked Politician but ignoring the expert views of three former supreme court justices, including the court’s former president Lady Hale, and more than 600 lawyers, academics and retired senior judges warning that the UK government is breaching international law by continuing to arm Israel.

 

Seems very ridiculous argument to put Suella Braverman at par with 3 former supreme court justices and another 600 experts. 603 against 1 for God's sake.

No I was pointing out your lie that she is not a lawyer. That's all

[Nick Carter icp]

9 minutes ago, Danny Australia said:

You still going on about one dodgy, controversial bigot who is now a sacked Politician but ignoring the expert views of three former supreme court justices, including the court’s former president Lady Hale, and more than 600 lawyers, academics and retired senior judges warning that the UK government is breaching international law by continuing to arm Israel.

 

Seems very ridiculous argument to put Suella Braverman at par with 3 former supreme court justices and another 600 experts. 603 against 1 for God's sake.

 

   Here are the Legal people who signed it .

Many have Muslim  names 

 

https://www.jewishvoiceforlabour.org.uk/article/former-supreme-court-judges-say-uk-arming-israel-breaches-international-law/

 

 

82. Sir Geoffrey Bindman KC, Founding Partner, Bindmans LLP
83. Imran Khan KC, Partner, Imran Khan & Partners Solicitors
84. Roger Smith OBE, former Director, JUSTICE
85. Iqbal Ahmed, Partner, Ahmed & Co Solicitors
86. Maneer Ahmed, Partner, Burgoyne & Co Solicitors
87. Parveen Ahmed, Partner, Harrison Bundey Solicitors
88. Rosalyn Akar Grams, Managing Director, Legal Practice and Children’s Rights, Coram Children’s Legal Centre
89. Ashraful Alam, Partner, Longfords Solicitors
90. Tayab Ali, Partner and Head of International Law, Bindmans LLP
91. Aamer Anwar, Founding Partner, Aamer Anwar & Co Solicitors
92. Ahmed Aydeed, Director, Duncan Lewis Solicitors
93. Tim Barnden, Partner, Bates Wells
94. Raju Bhatt, Founding Partner, Bhatt Murphy Solicitors
95. Stephanie Biden, Partner, Bates Wells
96. Daniel Carey, Partner, Deighton Pierce Glynn
97. Martyn Day, Senior Partner, Leigh Day
98. Augustus Della-Porta, Partner, Bates Wells
99. Eleanor Duhs, Partner, Bates Wells
100. Shamik Dutta, Partner, Bhatt Murphy Solicitors
101. Katherine Claire Edgar, Partner, Francis Hanna & Co Solicitors
102. Rhona Friedman, Director, Commons Law CIC
103. Balvinder Gill, Partner, Imran Khan and Partners Solicitors
104. Ana González, Partner, Wilson Solicitors LLP
105. Vicky Guedella, Founding Partner (retired), Deighton Guedalla
106. Alice Hardy, Partner, Bindmans LLP
107. Waleed Hassan, Director, WH Solicitors
108. Niall John Hearty, Partner, Rahman Ravelli Solicitors
109. Alison Hunter, Partner, Wesley Gryk Solicitors LLP
110. Ibrahim Hussain, Director, Stonehall Solicitors
111. Riffat Hussain, Director, IBSA Legal LTD
112. Andrew Hutson, Partner, Thompsons Solicitors
113. Mahomed Foorqan Ismail, Director, MFI Law Limited
114. Bharine Kalsi, Partner, Deighton Pierce Glynn
115. Rukhsana Kauser, Director, KA Solicitors
116. William Kenyon, Partner, ITN Solicitors
117. Balaal Hussain Khan, Director, BKP Solicitors
118. Nazia Khan, Director, Duncan Lewis Solicitors
119. Zulfi Khan, Partner, TEN Legal Solicitor
120. Rukshana Koser, Partner, Langley Wellington LLP
121. Pierre Makhlouf, Legal Director, Bail for Immigration Detainees
122. Daniel Machover, Partner, Hickman and Rose
123. Attiq Malik, Director, Liberty Law Solicitors
124. Shaheen Mamun, Director, Black Antelope Law
125. Gene Matthews, Partner, Leigh Day
126. Jacqueline McKenzie, Partner, Leigh Day
127. Richard Meeran, Partner, Leigh Day
128. Clare Mellor, Chief Executive, Thompsons Solicitors
129. Dara Montague, Partner, Thomas T Montague Solicitors
130. Suzanne Moran, Founder, SRM Legal
131. Simon Natas FRSA, Partner, ITN Solicitors
132. Marcela Navarrete, Partner, Wilson Solicitors LLP
133. Waseem Nazir, Director, Batley Law
134. Michael Newman, Partner, Leigh Day
135. Aisling Ní Chuinn, Partner, Wilson Solicitors LLP
136. Pádraig Ó Muirigh, Director, Ó Muirigh Solicitors, Belfast
137. Henrietta Phillips, Partner, Thompsons Solicitors
138. Aziz Rahman, Director, Onyx Solicitors
139. Jahad Rahman, Partner, Rahman Lowe Solicitors
140. Irfan Rashid, Assistant Director, Trent Law Solicitors
141. Nina Rathbone Pullen, Partner, Wilson Solicitors LLP
142. Sarah Ricca, Partner, Deighton Pierce Glynn
143. Katy Robinson, Partner, Wilson Solicitors LLP
144. Jane Ryan, Partner, Bhatt Murphy Solicitors
145. Sana Saddique, Founder and Managing Director of Collective Law
146. Nosheen Saleem, Partner, Ahmed & Co Solicitors
147. Ali Sethi, Director, Bloomingdale Solicitors Ltd
148. Tahir Shafiq, Partner, Longfords Solicitors
149. Zed Shah, Partner, Shah Hague Solicitors
150. Samar Shams, Managing Partner, Changes Immigration Ltd
151. Waleed Sheikh, Partner, Leigh Day
152. Paul Shevlin, Managing Partner, Thompsons Solicitors
153. Mahmood Siddiqui, Director, Property Lawyers Limited
154. Laura Smith, Interim Legal Director, Joint Council for the Welfare of Immigrants
155. Dr Connie N Maina Sozi, Partner, Deighton Pierce Glynn
156. Gerard Stilliard, Partner, Thompsons Solicitors
157. Ruwan Subasinghe, Legal Director, International Transport Workers’ Federation
158. Nadeem Thanvi, Managing Partner, ITN Solicitors
159. Gias Uddin, Partner, Woolfe & Co Solicitors Ltd
160. Rashid Uzzaman, Managing Director, UVS Law
161. Kevin Winters, Founding Partner, KRW Law LLP
162. Zubier Yazdani, Partner, Deighton Pierce Glynn
163. Mitali Zakaria, Partner, ITN Solicitors

 

 

 

 

 

[Danny Australia]

24 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   Here are the Legal people who signed it .

Many have Muslim  names 

 

https://www.jewishvoiceforlabour.org.uk/article/former-supreme-court-judges-say-uk-arming-israel-breaches-international-law/

 

 

 

 

Being Muslim has nothing to do with the fact they are outstanding British citizens and accomplished barristers/academics.  

[Nick Carter icp]

18 minutes ago, Danny Australia said:

 

 

Being Muslim has nothing to do with the fact they are outstanding British citizens and accomplished barristers/academics.  

 

   As they are Muslim, they may well despise Israel and their decision to sign it may have nothing to do with their legal opinion  .

   They may have signed it because it opposes Israel, rather than what it actually says .

They oppose Israel and they sign a petition opposing Israel .

I was pointing out that their opinion may be biased , nothing racist or bigoted about my post 

[billd766]

44 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

I call B.S. The River to the Sea brigade were protesting immediately after October 7, many celebrating it, well before there was any response from Israel.

Anyway, it's been obvious to me from the start that this was the Hamas plan. Bait Israel into a ferocious response, maximize their own civilian casualties, and take the win though P.R.

It worked better than they could have hoped for in their wildest dreams.

Yes Israel because they're still stuck with that horrible Netanyahu took the bait to a higher level than a more moderate Israeli leader would have done, but any Israeli leader would have responded as would any leader in any other country so attacked.

As far as your definitive conclusions about what how the food kitchen workers got targeted, those conclusions can't honestly be taken as fact at the moment. 

You can call it what you like. but whatever you wish to call it, it is the truth.

 

The WCK workers WERE targeted, even if the Israeli drone operator "thought" there was a Hamas terrorist in a car.

 

A small convoy of 3 vehicles has given your military all the details and it has been approved at a far higher level than the drone operator.

 

1   They should NOT have been tracked in the first place.

2   They vehicles were clearly marked as WCF.

3  Just because the drone operator "thought" he saw a terrorist is NOT a reason to fire at an approved convoy.

4 At the very least. he should have called his supervisors, SNCO's and Officers to verify what was happening, and they in turn should have called in THEIR supervisors to verify what was happening, and if the 'thought' was genuine or not.

5  This was NOT a mistake, or an accident, or even to use the expression, a regrettable incident. It was a deliberately targeted murder of 7 innocent people.

 

NO amount of words such as quote "I call BS" can excuse murder. Nor is the excuse "I was just following orders" valid either.

 

The 7 people who were murdered in cold blood did NOT represent any threat to any Israeli forces anywhere.

 

 

 

[frank83628]

On 4/3/2024 at 5:45 AM, Bkk Brian said:

Tragic mistake. 3 British killed among the 7 in total. 

 

Kirby: No evidence Israel has broken international law
Kirby is asked if firing a missile at people delivering food and killing them is a violation of international humanitarian law.

“The Israelis have already admitted that this was a mistake that they made," Kirby says, reiterating that an investigation is being carried out into what happened. “Let’s not get ahead of that.”

He says the question presumes that the Israeli strike against aid workers was deliberate and that they knew what they were hitting, to which he adds, “there’s no evidence of that".

 

 

 

 

tragic mistake?  so you covering for their murderers? 

3 cars clealy marked, 1 car attacked, communication made with IDF then the other 2 cars attacked...... how is that in anyway an accident? 

[frank83628]

On 4/3/2024 at 8:16 AM, thaibeachlovers said:

Kirby is IMO biased on israel's side, and I don't believe much he says.

 

 

100%. lie like f**k to cover for Israel, they all do

[Danny Australia]

19 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   As they are Muslim, they may well despise Israel and their decision to sign it may have nothing to do with their legal opinion  .

   They may have signed it because it opposes Israel, rather than what it actually says .

They oppose Israel and they sign a petition opposing Israel .

I was pointing out that their opinion may be biased , nothing racist or bigoted about my post 

 

You have no proof that they signed the petition only because they are anti-Israel. You cannot possibly know what in their hearts. No proof they are anti-Israel either.

 

You don't have to be a Muslim to be anti-Israel. Many jews and even prominent Israeli citizens are against Israel.

 

They are accomplished esteemed barristers and academics. Their names or religion has nothing with the subject matter.

 

It's not an isolated post, your posts are well known for their hate and bigotry. The discussion should be fair and not go low targeting race/religion/color of skin.

 

We don't want to see people responding/retaliating and having a go at the Jewish names or faith. 

 

[frank83628]

the hypocrisy crew in full effect now, defending Israel, imagine what you be saying if the name in the headline was Russia instead of Israel !!

[Rampant Rabbit]

On 4/4/2024 at 4:28 PM, Danny Australia said:

You are not in a position to question my sincerity or give lectures.

oh really someone cant question  your sincerity? how sad is  that for you.

[Nick Carter icp]

11 minutes ago, billd766 said:

You can call it what you like. but whatever you wish to call it, it is the truth.

 

The WCK workers WERE targeted, even if the Israeli drone operator "thought" there was a Hamas terrorist in a car.

 

A small convoy of 3 vehicles has given your military all the details and it has been approved at a far higher level than the drone operator.

 

1   They should NOT have been tracked in the first place.

2   They vehicles were clearly marked as WCF.

3  Just because the drone operator "thought" he saw a terrorist is NOT a reason to fire at an approved convoy.

4 At the very least. he should have called his supervisors, SNCO's and Officers to verify what was happening, and they in turn should have called in THEIR supervisors to verify what was happening, and if the 'thought' was genuine or not.

5  This was NOT a mistake, or an accident, or even to use the expression, a regrettable incident. It was a deliberately targeted murder of 7 innocent people.

 

NO amount of words such as quote "I call BS" can excuse murder. Nor is the excuse "I was just following orders" valid either.

 

The 7 people who were murdered in cold blood did NOT represent any threat to any Israeli forces anywhere.

 

 

 

 

   You are jumping the gun somewhat , you will need to wait for the results of the investigation to see why they  died .

   There will probably be a plausible explanation .

It was dark , and there could have been some mix up in the communications 

But, will have to wait until the investigation is complete .

But whatever the investigation says , you will probably call it lies anyway , so it would be pointless you reading what the investigation says 

[Bkk Brian]

20 minutes ago, frank83628 said:

tragic mistake?  so you covering for their murderers? 

3 cars clealy marked, 1 car attacked, communication made with IDF then the other 2 cars attacked...... how is that in anyway an accident? 

Yes tragic mistake, you really need to catch up on other posts in this topic as I'm not going to keep on repeating the same thing

[Hellfire]

  It is very easy to advise Israelis what to do and what not. Especially if your life is not in permanent danger created by your terrorist-jihadist-islamist neighbors.  Most of the Hamas sympathizers on this forum would be ready to kill hundreds of people if only it was necessary to prevent their own children, parents, wives from being harmed. But israeli children, parents and wives - who cares? Let’s pretend we are great humanists taking care of every human life out there. Bunch of hypocrites. 

[Nick Carter icp]

18 minutes ago, frank83628 said:

the hypocrisy crew in full effect now, defending Israel, imagine what you be saying if the name in the headline was Russia instead of Israel !!

 

   Here is a news report of two French aid workers getting killed by Russian drones in Ukraine a few weeks ago .

   No one seemed to be bothered by it , no one seems to have even noticed .

Was there a 7 page ASEANNOW thread with posters condemning the missile strike ?

Or wasn't anyone bother because it was nt Israel ?

 

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2024/02/02/russia-ukraine-zelensky-putin-war-latest-news5/

 

"Two French volunteer aid workers have been killed in a Russian drone attack in the southern Ukrainian region of Kherson, Paris has confirmed."

 

 

 

[Rampant Rabbit]

3 hours ago, Danny Australia said:

 

I just made a donation to WCK on their website, and it feels good to be able to help any hungry or displaced human beings regardless of their color, religion or race.

 

I encourage people to donate to this great cause. Never heard of them before until Israel made them the talk of the world.

 

I  too donated to the Kibbutz Nir Oz: Help the survivors of the October 7 massacre, as you said its good to help "any" hungry or displaced  beings regardless of their colour race or religion

https://my.israelgives.org/en/fundme/kibbutzniroz

[frank83628]

14 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   Here is a news report of two French aid workers getting killed by Russian drones in Ukraine a few weeks ago .

   No one seemed to be bothered by it , no one seems to have even noticed .

Was there a 7 page ASEANNOW thread with posters condemning the missile strike ?

Or wasn't anyone bother because it was nt Israel ?

 

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2024/02/02/russia-ukraine-zelensky-putin-war-latest-news5/

 

"Two French volunteer aid workers have been killed in a Russian drone attack in the southern Ukrainian region of Kherson, Paris has confirmed."

 

 

 

yes, very surprising it wasn't picked up on, perhaps everyone was withdrawing their pension money that day

[Nick Carter icp]

3 minutes ago, frank83628 said:

yes, very surprising it wasn't picked up on, perhaps everyone was withdrawing their pension money that day

 

   The reality is that no one is actually bothered about some aid workers getting killed in a war zone .

The aid workers dying in Russia shows that .

But when aid workers get killed in Israel by the IDF , the anti Semites, anti Israel people come out in force saying how bad Israel are .

   But they don't care about the deceased , they just use the deaths to attack Israel .

I wouldn't be surprised if they celebrated the deaths, as its more ammunition to attack Israel with 

[Rampant Rabbit]

8 minutes ago, frank83628 said:

yes, very surprising it wasn't picked up on, perhaps everyone was withdrawing their pension money that day

not surprising at all,  more woke to support one team than another, waves arms and shouts violently

[frank83628]

1 minute ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   The reality is that no one is actually bothered about some aid workers getting killed in a war zone .

The aid workers dying in Russia shows that .

But when aid workers get killed in Israel by the IDF , the anti Semites, anti Israel people come out in force saying how bad Israel are .

   But they don't care about the deceased , they just use the deaths to attack Israel .

I wouldn't be surprised if they celebrated the deaths, as its more ammunition to attack Israel with 

there are enough Putin haters on here so surprising it didn't get more traction.

 

[Hellfire]

1 hour ago, Danny Australia said:

 

 

Being Muslim has nothing to do with the fact they are outstanding British citizens and accomplished barristers/academics.  

  Their tribalistic mindset frequently hides behind the facade of liberal democracy and Christian humanism. Interestingly, they rarely (if ever) oppose atrocities committed by their own oppressive Muslim regimes against millions of people. However, when it concerns Israel, they suddenly adopt liberal and humanistic stances. Hypocritical liars. 
 

 

[Rampant Rabbit]

On 4/3/2024 at 9:58 AM, Jeff the Chef said:

Three British nationals have been killed by an Israeli air strike as they were working to deliver food aid in Gaza. They were among seven workers with the charity World Central Kitchen who died after attacks on their vehicles - despite having coordinated with the Israeli military over their movements. The Foreign Secretary David Cameron has called on Israel to provide a 'full, transparent explanation of what happened'. Israel has promised an independent investigation of what Prime Minister Netanyahu called 'a tragic incident'.

Warning: This report contains distressing images.

 

 

 

You cant beat modern journalism where no ones ever  allowed to answer without being interrupted within seconds of starting their reply.

[Bkk Brian]

Initial findings from IDF

 

"Following a misidentification by the forces, the forces targeted the three WCK [World Central Kitchen] vehicles based on the misclassification of the event and misidentification of the vehicles as having Hamas operatives inside them, with the resulting strike leading to the deaths of seven innocent humanitarian aid workers.

"The strike on the aid vehicles is a grave mistake stemming from a serious failure due to a mistaken identification, errors in decision-making, and an attack contrary to the Standard Operating Procedures."

The Israeli military has also dismissed two officers over drone strikes on aid workers, citing rules of engagement violations.

https://news.sky.com/story/grave-mistake-idf-releases-findings-of-what-went-wrong-in-strike-that-killed-aid-workers-13108160

[Bkk Brian]

IDF investigators said the incident "should not have occurred" and that the authorities who approved the strike were mistakenly convinced they were targeting Hamas operatives. 

https://www.foxnews.com/world/idf-strike-killed-world-central-kitchen-workers-serious-failure-mistaken-identification

[Jingthing]

1 hour ago, billd766 said:

You can call it what you like. but whatever you wish to call it, it is the truth.

 

The WCK workers WERE targeted, even if the Israeli drone operator "thought" there was a Hamas terrorist in a car.

 

A small convoy of 3 vehicles has given your military all the details and it has been approved at a far higher level than the drone operator.

 

1   They should NOT have been tracked in the first place.

2   They vehicles were clearly marked as WCF.

3  Just because the drone operator "thought" he saw a terrorist is NOT a reason to fire at an approved convoy.

4 At the very least. he should have called his supervisors, SNCO's and Officers to verify what was happening, and they in turn should have called in THEIR supervisors to verify what was happening, and if the 'thought' was genuine or not.

5  This was NOT a mistake, or an accident, or even to use the expression, a regrettable incident. It was a deliberately targeted murder of 7 innocent people.

 

NO amount of words such as quote "I call BS" can excuse murder. Nor is the excuse "I was just following orders" valid either.

 

The 7 people who were murdered in cold blood did NOT represent any threat to any Israeli forces anywhere.

 

 

 

"Your" military?

Again, your conclusions are premature.

[Nick Carter icp]

22 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Initial findings from IDF

 

"Following a misidentification by the forces, the forces targeted the three WCK [World Central Kitchen] vehicles based on the misclassification of the event and misidentification of the vehicles as having Hamas operatives inside them, with the resulting strike leading to the deaths of seven innocent humanitarian aid workers.

"The strike on the aid vehicles is a grave mistake stemming from a serious failure due to a mistaken identification, errors in decision-making, and an attack contrary to the Standard Operating Procedures."

The Israeli military has also dismissed two officers over drone strikes on aid workers, citing rules of engagement violations.

https://news.sky.com/story/grave-mistake-idf-releases-findings-of-what-went-wrong-in-strike-that-killed-aid-workers-13108160

 

   Israel has been open and honest about it and admitted their mistakes .

Israel didn't try to cover it up or blame anyone else or ignore it and wait for it to go away .

Israel has admitted a mistake and being in the wrong in this instance 

[Bkk Brian]

1 minute ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   Israel has been open and honest about it and admitted their mistakes .

Israel didn't try to cover it up or blame anyone else or ignore it and wait for it to go away .

Israel has admitted a mistake and being in the wrong in this instance 

That wont be good enough for the Israel haters, waiting for all the deflection now.

[Jeff the Chef]

FINDINGS ARE A DAMNING SLUR ON THE ISRAELI MILITARY
 
Alistair Bunkall
Middle East correspondent

@AliBunkallSKY
This wasn’t an accident. It was no mistaken misfire.

The IDF cell tracking the vehicles fired lethal precision-guided missiles into each car, one after the other.

Through blurred nighttime surveillance footage, they saw what they thought was a man carrying a gun and assumed he was a Hamas fighter.

They then assumed everyone else travelling in the vehicles were also Hamas. There was no evidence for this.

They kept firing because they saw passengers still alive.

The basic failure to pass details of the aid convoy down the chain of command is a damning slur on a military that thinks of itself as being one of the best in the world.

The decision to launch air strikes with the intent of killing people, based on unsound evidence, raises deeply troubling questions of ethics in combat.

It's a sad irony that one of the only reasons World Central Kitchen were operating at night was because of their previously good working relationship with the Israeli military.

Had six of the seven killed not been foreign aid workers, whose deaths caused an international outcry, then this investigation would not have happened and the Israeli military would not have been forced to explain its actions.

How many Palestinian civilians therefore have been killed in similar, uninvestigated cases of mistaken identity, we will probably never know.

 

https://news.sky.com/story/grave-mistake-idf-releases-findings-of-what-went-wrong-in-strike-that-killed-aid-workers-13108160

[billd766]

11 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

"Your" military?

Again, your conclusions are premature.

And that is your best response.

 

Nothing about 7 murdered people?

Nothing about how they were targeted by the IDF?

Nothing about the drone operators "thought'?

Nothing about "I call BS'?

Nothing about the chain of command not being followed?

 

Just about one word that I wrote that YOU don't agree with.

 

It is lucky that you could not read my first draft, nor could anybody else, or I would have been banned from ANN for life.