BREAKING NEWS! Iran potentially triggers World War 3

[Seppius]

Not read the whole thread, but why is the RAF from Great Britain, shooting down missiles and defending Israel?

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-68810774

[Yellowtail]

Just now, Seppius said:

Not read the whole thread, but why is the RAF from Great Britain, shooting down missiles and defending Israel?

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-68810774

Because they're a civilized country that stands against terrorism perhaps. 

[MangoKorat]

1 minute ago, Yellowtail said:

So you're on the fence....

I don't agree with any of the parties in the current conflict and there are more than 2. If that means I'm on the fence, then so be it

 

I'd love to see a free Iran, not one controlled by a set of woman hating religious fanatics.  I do not and never will think that religion has any place running a country. Belief is something that people should be allowed to have - not used to repress and control.

 

I'd love to see Israel put in its place, made to respect its given borders and stop its campaign of collective punishment.

 

But I'd also love to see the hardline Palestinians accept that Israel exists and stop their terrorist attacks.

 

There's so much wrong in the Middle East and most of it has religion at its core.  I'm from a country where various different religions live side by side in peace. Even that has been challenged recently but the main reason for that is that we accepted the influx of a particular group who's background often doesn't live in peace with other religions - just as we see in the Middle East.

 

Thankfully my country is not controlled by religious zealots - yet.

 

Sadly, and I'm simply pointing out facts here; most of the conflicts in the world involve various Muslim faiths who are either fighting with each other or against other religions. That's as true in the South of Thailand as it is in the Middle East. Some Islamist groups seem to think that anyone who doesn't follow their ways doesn't deserve to exist.

 

I have no idea what religion my next door neighbour has, I have none and neither of us has any effect on how the other lives their lives. Likewise, if religion took a back seat in the Middle East, we might not have the problems there that have been going on for centuries.

[0ffshore360]

12 minutes ago, Seppius said:

Not read the whole thread, but why is the RAF from Great Britain, shooting down missiles and defending Israel?

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-68810774

Because in 1856 the Qajar Dynasty tried to reclaim Herat of Afghanistan that was taken by the British ?

Old wounds heal slow if  ever !

[Bkk Brian]

17 minutes ago, Seppius said:

Not read the whole thread, but why is the RAF from Great Britain, shooting down missiles and defending Israel?

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-68810774

US, UK, France and Jordan all helped shoot down the Iranian attack.

[MangoKorat]

15 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

Because they're a civilized country that stands against terrorism perhaps. 

Agreed but the poster should also note that the UK's actions have been defensive. I don't see anything wrong with stopping a missile from killing people.

 

Both the US and the UK have stated that they will not take part in any action against Iran.

[0ffshore360]

3 minutes ago, MangoKorat said:

Agreed but the poster should also note that the UK's actions have been defensive. I don't see anything wrong with stopping a missile from killing people.

 

Both the US and the UK have stated that they will not take part in any action against Iran.

And yet in a sense they just did.

Netanyahu  may have overplayed his sketchy hand !

 

[Seppius]

10 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

US, UK, France and Jordan all helped shoot down the Iranian attack.

Are those countries going to attack Iran with Israel as well in retaliation?

[Bkk Brian]

1 minute ago, Seppius said:

Are those countries going to attack Iran with Israel as well in retaliation?

Silly question, which I'm sure you already know the answer to as its in just about every article on the internet that is related to this incident. It is also not 100% certain if/when and what sort of retaliation there will be from Israel.

[xenophon]

Cutting through the pseudo-history and pooling of ignorance, US stock futures today are up (not down as predicted by most). Are the institutional big spenders (who, after all, really do run the world) betting that responses, if any, will be measured and/or delayed.

Hopefully the neighbors from hell may not succeed in involving the rest of us in their absurd tribal wars after all.

[Brickleberry]

1 hour ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

  Get real .

I have explained to him five times that the Iranian Embassy in Syria  wasn't covered by Embassy laws because Israel wasn't the host Country ,

   I didn't even ask a question, let alone change the question

 

So in your warped world, I can bomb any embassy around the world, willy nilly - as long as I don't do it in my own country?

 

Are you a few crackers short of a picnic?

[Nick Carter icp]

2 minutes ago, Brickleberry said:

 

So in your warped world, I can bomb any embassy around the world, willy nilly - as long as I don't do it in my own country?

 

Are you a few crackers short of a picnic?

 

   I am just telling you what the law says regarding Embassies .

I am stating the rules .

Some of us read the rules and follow the rules , rather than just doing what you like and taking no notice of the rules . 

  ( BTW, You cannot bomb anything, as it would be against the rules)

   

[Eloquent pilgrim]

1 hour ago, MangoKorat said:

I don't think anything is acceptable - by either side.  I'm simply commenting on what has happened and that it was not a particularly large attack in terms of how many missiles and drones Iran actually has.

 

I think I made it clear that I am not an Israel supporter, neither do support the medieval lunatics in Iran. 

 

Once again you try to trivialise Iran attacking Israel with what is now reported as approximately 350 cruise missiles, drones, and ballistic missiles, simply because that number is a small percentage of their arsenal; and remember, this attack was in response to a single Israeli strike on a building that was not even on Iranian soil.

 

 

[MangoKorat]

17 minutes ago, Seppius said:

Are those countries going to attack Iran with Israel as well in retaliation?

No.

[AreYouGerman]

7 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

  ( BTW, You cannot bomb anything, as it would be against the rules)

 

->

 

1 hour ago, Nick Carter icp said:

other non host countries can bomb the Embassy if they want to 

 

[MangoKorat]

1 minute ago, Eloquent pilgrim said:

 

Once again you try to trivialise Iran attacking Israel with what is now reported as approximately 350 cruise missiles, drones, and ballistic missiles, simply because that number is a small percentage of their arsenal; and remember, this attack was in response to a single Israeli strike on a building that was not even on Iranian soil.

 

 

I am not trying to trivialise anything. Iran wanted to send a message, they didn't want to start a war.  In stating that their actions are at an end, Iran more or less said the same. They said they would punish Israel and in their eyes, they have.

 

Israel's defensive capabilities are well known so my guess is that they knew that their attack would be ineffective but you can bet your bottom dollar that the media in Iran will be stating a completely different story.

 

Most of the military experts on the region have the same opinion.

[Eloquent pilgrim]

1 hour ago, MangoKorat said:

170 drones, 120 ballistic missiles and you can bet it used its oldest stock which was coming towards the end of its useable life. Iran is said to have 3000 ballistic missiles so it fired 4% of them.

 

You continue to trivialise Iran attacking Israel because of the percentage of their arsenal that they used; even now claiming to know which missiles they used, and the age of them; next, I guess, you will issue the perfunctory statement that you are in no way antisemitic.

 

[Eloquent pilgrim]

1 hour ago, AreYouGerman said:

Iran, being part of the Axis of Resistance, will respond to the act of war of bombing their embassy:

 

How many times do you need to be told that the embassy of Iran was not bombed ? I have told you twice already, but you don’t seem to have any powers of comprehension.

 

[Eloquent pilgrim]

1 hour ago, AreYouGerman said:

With a thoughtful and necessary self-dense act.

 

Something you demonstrate with every comment you make 

[MangoKorat]

16 minutes ago, Eloquent pilgrim said:

 

You continue to trivialise Iran attacking Israel because of the percentage of their arsenal that they used; even now claiming to know which missiles they used, and the age of them; next, I guess, you will issue the perfunctory statement that you are in no way antisemitic.

 

Yes, because I'm not anti semetic in any way! So, 'perfunctory' or not I will state that I am not anti semetic.  In fact if I was forced to take sides in this matter I would reluctantly fall on Israel's side - I have no love for a regime that represses its people, imprisons them for dissent and forces women into an unwanted dress code.

 

So, I'd suggest that you read all of my posts and stop your selective reading because in this case you've got egg on your face.

 

I respect the rights of all to hold their beliefs. I just wish they wouldn't fight wars over them or let them run their daily lives. Israel is guilty of war crimes in Gaza just as Hamas are. Its a sad situation that requires an almost impossible amount of compromise to settle.

 

You have completely got hold of the wrong end of the stick. I have not sought to trivialise anything, I am simply pointing out what most of the experts on the region are saying - and I believe they are right.  That is that Iran simply wanted to send a message without starting a war that they can't win.  They calculated what they thought they could do and the ball is now in Israel's court.  However, as the attack was ineffective, Israel's allies are pressing them not to react.

 

Had they wished to start a war, Iran's attack would have been much bigger and sustained. As it is, Iran has stated that their actions are at an end - they sent their message.

 

If you had missiles of varying ages in your arsenal - would you use the newest ones that were due to be destroyed soon in any case?

Edited April 15 by MangoKorat

[MangoKorat]

19 minutes ago, Eloquent pilgrim said:

I guess, you will issue the perfunctory statement that you are in no way antisemitic.

I'd be interested to learn which part of any of my posts is anti semetic?

[Bkk Brian]

Another Country confirms their help in the attacks against Israel 

 

Saudi Arabia acknowledges helping defend Israel against Iran

Saudi Arabia's royal family posted on its website about the country's role in defending Israel against the Iranian barrage

Saudi Arabia acknowledged that it had helped the newly forged regional military coalition — Israel, the United States, Jordan, the United Kingdom, and France — repel an Iranian attack against the Jewish state early Sunday morning, in an unusual post on its royal family’s website.

It referenced a story on KAN News about the Saudi involvement in the military defensive operation in which 99% of the Iranian drones and missiles were destroyed before hitting their targets. 

Many of the drones and missiles had to travel over Jordanian and Saudi airspace to reach Israel. 

https://www.jpost.com/middle-east/saudi-arabia-acknowledges-helping-defend-israel-against-iran-797201

[AreYouGerman]

12 minutes ago, Eloquent pilgrim said:

 

How many times do you need to be told that the embassy of Iran was not bombed ? I have told you twice already, but you don’t seem to have any powers of comprehension.

 

 

You have told? Who are you?

 

We are going circles again because some people don't understand that in fact a part of the embassy, an 'annex building' on the embassy compound has been bombed. If this would happen to the US, it would be treated as what it is, an attack on 'US soil'.

 

Somehow it's the old 'rules for thee but not for me" comes to mind.

 

Let's hear what the other major world power thinks about that: "China condemns the attack on the Iranian embassy in Syria, Chinese foreign ministry spokesperson Wang Wenbin said on Tuesday."

 

https://english.news.cn/20240402/540059d3ee134cb584c06fa2dc2d29fe/c.html

 

[AreYouGerman]

3 minutes ago, MangoKorat said:

I'd be interested to learn which part of any of my posts is anti semetic?

 

For Judeo-Christians, you are not allowed to be against war and genocide while the main cause and perpetrator is Israel.

[BarraMarra]

Who fired the Missile that that flattened the Iranian conslate in Damascus? ISRAEL so Israel started this latest fighting Iran had every right to respond not the other way round. So if and its a big If its Israel who started it 1st.

[CG1 Blue]

24 minutes ago, BarraMarra said:

Who fired the Missile that that flattened the Iranian conslate in Damascus? ISRAEL so Israel started this latest fighting Iran had every right to respond not the other way round. So if and its a big If its Israel who started it 1st.

It's not the Iranian consulate. It's a terror planning HQ for the IRGC. That's why it was full of senior IRGC military advisers - who are now thankfully unable to advise anymore. 

Edited April 15 by CG1 Blue

[Nick Carter icp]

1 hour ago, AreYouGerman said:

 

->

 

 

 

   You asked whether you could bomb an Embassy , you personally .and that was my reply in the first post .

   The second reply was about what Countries can do .

Like, You personally can not legally bomb an Embassy, but Israel can do so 

[Nick Carter icp]

53 minutes ago, BarraMarra said:

Who fired the Missile that that flattened the Iranian conslate in Damascus? ISRAEL so Israel started this latest fighting Iran had every right to respond not the other way round. So if and its a big If its Israel who started it 1st.

 

   Iran began the war by organising and funding Oct 7 th terror attack .'

Had Iran not dome that, Israel wouldn't have bombed the Embassy

[MangoKorat]

40 minutes ago, BarraMarra said:

Who fired the Missile that that flattened the Iranian conslate in Damascus? ISRAEL so Israel started this latest fighting Iran had every right to respond not the other way round. So if and its a big If its Israel who started it 1st.

That argument doesn't hold much water. There is credible evidence that one of the architects of the 7th of October attack was in that consulate so from that point of view its very much 'chicken and egg'. 

 

My argument would be on the sanctity of an embassy or consulate but then again, if an embassy or consulate is simply being used as cover for a military headquarters, does it retain that sanctity?

 

Interestingly, when circumstances demanded it, the UK government allowed the storming of the Iranian Embassy in London in 1980.  Obviously completely different cicumstances as in that case, it was the legal occupants of the embassy that were in need of help but it did demonstrate that when necessary, an embassy or consulate's sanctity can be breached.

 

A very convoluted matter but I have to say that if I knew where someone who killed my family was, I wouldn't think twice about attacking them, wherever they were.

[Brickleberry]

43 minutes ago, CG1 Blue said:

It's not the Iranian consulate. It's a terror planning HQ for the IRGC. That's why it was full of senior IRGC military advisers - who are now thankfully unable to advise anymore. 

 

Well it's not a consulate now that its been blown up.

 

This is what's wrong with the world - people only care about their little patch of the world, or who is on their team. If we all played like that, this world would be on fire............. he says, his voice dripping with sarcasm.