Why the hush money case against Donald Trump is on shaky ground

[Roo Island]

2 hours ago, cmjl said:

I can't decide whether your posts are written very tongue in cheek or if you believe everything you've written.

 

I could name an ex PM who also fits the description above,I think you'll find that if you dug deep enough you'd be able to find plenty of dirt on the majority of those in power,there's an old saying 'power tends to corrupt,and absolute power corrupts absolutely' which tells you all you need to know about the state of the world,it's not just America.

Understood. But Trump is heads and tails beyond the others. Never has a president lied as much. If I'm wrong, show a credible link proving it. I'm well aware of Nixon and Kennedy, etc.

[retarius]

I tend to think that the jury has been picked with an eye to conviction. Let's face it, it is simply a political trial, and evidence doesn't matter. We then come to sentencing and then several state and federal appeals. Something tells me that the democrats will live to regret destroying the credibility of the whole legal system dragging these years old issues into partisan courts......two can play at that game. 

[Roo Island]

13 minutes ago, retarius said:

I tend to think that the jury has been picked with an eye to conviction. Let's face it, it is simply a political trial, and evidence doesn't matter. We then come to sentencing and then several state and federal appeals. Something tells me that the democrats will live to regret destroying the credibility of the whole legal system dragging these years old issues into partisan courts......two can play at that game. 

It's not a political trial unless you follow the dodgy right wing media outlets

[earlinclaifornia]

39 minutes ago, retarius said:

I tend to think that the jury has been picked with an eye to conviction. Let's face it, it is simply a political trial, and evidence doesn't matter. We then come to sentencing and then several state and federal appeals. Something tells me that the democrats will live to regret destroying the credibility of the whole legal system dragging these years old issues into partisan courts......two can play at that game. 

Typical MAGA getting destroyed with reality. Tears flowing these days alot from you all! Don't worry there is always 2028!

[Skipalongcassidy]

On 4/27/2024 at 10:36 AM, Roo Island said:

Entertained by a president who lies every day, is a misogynist, cheats on his wife, etc. Seriously?

 

Shows why America is in such bad shape

NO... it is people like you that is why America is in such bad shape...

[Skipalongcassidy]

On 4/27/2024 at 4:32 PM, Roo Island said:

It's not a political trial unless you follow the dodgy right wing media outlets

Or follow the even dodgier NYTimes

[pomchop]

juries are picked as much as possible by the prosecution to convict.....juries are picked as much as possible by the defense to find "reasonable doubt"....the prosecutor has to convince all 12 to convict while the defense only needs one to let him walk.....nothing new about that ....if donnie is so very very innocent then it should be a slam dunk to find one person out of 12 to side with him.....since donnie whines over and over about how innocent he is then stop with the delay delay BS and put it all in front of a jury then he and his legal eagles will no doubt have the chance to demonstrate how very weak the case and evidence are.

[thaibeachlovers]

On 4/27/2024 at 9:32 PM, Roo Island said:

It's not a political trial unless you follow the dodgy right wing media outlets

Unless you consider this forum and Al Jazeera dodgy right wing media outlets, then I decided it was a political trial without any dodgy right wing media outlets input.

[Roo Island]

9 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Unless you consider this forum and Al Jazeera dodgy right wing media outlets, then I decided it was a political trial without any dodgy right wing media outlets input.

This forum has super dodgy posters who fall for the lies, misinformation and hatred that is spewed by the right. Definitely not a good source for information.

[Roo Island]

11 hours ago, Skipalongcassidy said:

Or follow the even dodgier NYTimes

Prove it's dodgy.

[Roo Island]

11 hours ago, Skipalongcassidy said:

NO... it is people like you that is why America is in such bad shape...

Ummm...right back at ya.

[Skipalongcassidy]

On 4/27/2024 at 4:32 PM, Roo Island said:

It's not a political trial unless you follow the dodgy right wing media outlets

When your starting point is sooo far left of center even your moderate democrapts are hated and considered "dodgy"... hahahahaha

[Roo Island]

3 hours ago, Skipalongcassidy said:

When your starting point is sooo far left of center even your moderate democrapts are hated and considered "dodgy"... hahahahaha

You guys label everyone who doesn't agree with you as liberals. But I guess when you are soooo far, even moderate Republicans are liberal to you.

 

I'm far from being a liberal. Sad those on the far right support such hatred. Doesn't it wear you outt? 

[Walker88]

While this is far from the most significant of trump's many trials, I think he loses (absent a trumper being on the jury and making it hung). I'd put it at 90% he's convicted of the felony charges.

 

Plenty of folks have argued that making his (alleged) crime a felony is not that strong, but I think it gets made. The jury is made up of humans, and they are influenced by the overall picture of trump. His defense has denied both affairs, with Stormy and McDougal. Stormy's might have been a comedic one-time tryst, but McDougal had an almost year long affair, and was chauffeured to the hotels by trump's bodyguard, who will be called to the stand. Few will believe he drove her dozens and dozens of times to trump's hotel merely to share a room service meal and chat. Both women will likely be asked about trump's junk, which will match, as well as make him look small. On top of that, the transcript of the Access Hollywood tape is being entered into evidence, and he doesn't come across as likeable in that.

 

It is extremely unlikely the jury will believe trump's denials of both affairs, which will lose him all credibility as well as sympathy. Though it should not be connected, the negative view the jurors will build of trump makes it all the more likely they will accept the prosecution's argument of "felony", rather than misdemeanor. The women on the jury (5) will be easiest to influence, because both alleged affairs happened while trump's 3rd wife was recovering from childbirth.

 

It would have been smarter for trump to take the hit to his lack of character and just admit the affairs, because when he denies while the jury believes Stormy and McDougal, the jury will turn against him.

[Danderman123]

9 hours ago, Skipalongcassidy said:

When your starting point is sooo far left of center even your moderate democrapts are hated and considered "dodgy"... hahahahaha

Lots of deflection, but you never state whether Trump is guilty or not. And by guilty, I mean that the allegations are true - it's possible for a Trump fan to claim that the allegations are true, but Trump is innocent.

[Roo Island]

1 hour ago, Danderman123 said:

Lots of deflection, but you never state whether Trump is guilty or not. And by guilty, I mean that the allegations are true - it's possible for a Trump fan to claim that the allegations are true, but Trump is innocent.

But, but, but.....Hillary. But, but, but.....Obama.  But, but, but....ugh....

[cdemundo]

On 4/26/2024 at 1:32 PM, Hanaguma said:

Rich guys pay money to hide their disgraceful behavior all the time. It is unseemly, but not illegal.  I mean, Mushroom Man banged the porn woman what, 18 years ago? The only person who should be p!ssed off is his wife.  Nobody else's business. 

I think it would have been nobody else's business if he wasn't running for president AND tried to cover it up.

If he let it run its course people might have said "surprise, surprise" Trump banged a porn actress, but his effort to cover up is what got it into court.

 

[Hanaguma]

2 minutes ago, cdemundo said:

I think it would have been nobody else's business if he wasn't running for president AND tried to cover it up.

If he let it run its course people might have said "surprise, surprise" Trump banged a porn actress, but his effort to cover up is what got it into court.

 

Is covering it up illegal? Paying for an NDA is not a crime as far as I know.  Seems like a wise thing to do- pay for silence rather than risk an embarrassing revelation at a bad time.  AFAIK, Clinton did the same and paid off Paula Jones on the eve of his impeachment hearing. 

[Danderman123]

49 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

Is covering it up illegal? Paying for an NDA is not a crime as far as I know.  Seems like a wise thing to do- pay for silence rather than risk an embarrassing revelation at a bad time.  AFAIK, Clinton did the same and paid off Paula Jones on the eve of his impeachment hearing. 

I don't claim to be an expert on NY law, but the prosecutors seem to think that the coverup was illegal.

 

You can post your questions one million times, but they all will be forgotten after the verdict. That's an interesting aspect of MAGA trolls, they are trained to try to win the day with talking points, and it's no big deal if the talking points are shown to be bogus or obsolete down the road - winning today is the only thing.

Edited April 30 by Danderman123

[Roo Island]

1 hour ago, Hanaguma said:

Is covering it up illegal? Paying for an NDA is not a crime as far as I know.  Seems like a wise thing to do- pay for silence rather than risk an embarrassing revelation at a bad time.  AFAIK, Clinton did the same and paid off Paula Jones on the eve of his impeachment hearing. 

Falsifying business records. Amazed you are ok with that

[Danderman123]

2 hours ago, Hanaguma said:

Is covering it up illegal? Paying for an NDA is not a crime as far as I know.  Seems like a wise thing to do- pay for silence rather than risk an embarrassing revelation at a bad time.  AFAIK, Clinton did the same and paid off Paula Jones on the eve of his impeachment hearing. 

Actually, you are getting close to using one of @Yellowtail's favorite trolling techniques: breaking a criminal act down to its constituent parts, and then questioning the legality of those constituent parts:

 

"So Trump wrote a check for Michael Cohen. Since when is it a crime to write a check?".

[scottiejohn]

12 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

Actually, you are getting close to using one of @Yellowtail's favorite trolling techniques: breaking a criminal act down to its constituent parts, and then questioning the legality of those constituent parts:

 

"So Trump wrote a check for Michael Cohen. Since when is it a crime to write a check?".

Please don't give that "@@@@@"  any more off topic (or any) ideas to help it highjack topics which it knows nothing about!

 

 

 

 

Edited April 30 by scottiejohn
Edited my true feelings!!

[Danderman123]

2 hours ago, Hanaguma said:

AFAIK, Clinton did the same and paid off Paula Jones on the eve of his impeachment hearing. 

Your memory is almost as bad as @Yellowtail, Paula Jones sued Bill Clinton very publicly, with the result being a settlement.

[Hanaguma]

1 hour ago, Roo Island said:

Falsifying business records. Amazed you are ok with that

Not OK with it, but not sure why it is such a big deal. The amount of money in question was paltry.  But let's let the system do its job and see where it takes us.

[Danderman123]

3 hours ago, Hanaguma said:

Is covering it up illegal? Paying for an NDA is not a crime as far as I know.  Seems like a wise thing to do- pay for silence rather than risk an embarrassing revelation at a bad time.  AFAIK, Clinton did the same and paid off Paula Jones on the eve of his impeachment hearing. 

You are great for bringing up history, but let's talk about this trial.

 

Do you think that Trump had affairs with Stormy Daniels and/or Karen McDougal?

 

Yeah, I know, you don't have talking points to cover that, but please don't deflect - if you can't answer, admit it.

[Roo Island]

26 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

Not OK with it, but not sure why it is such a big deal. The amount of money in question was paltry.  But let's let the system do its job and see where it takes us.

A crime is a crime. Giving some a pass is a slippery slope. Equality for all

[Hanaguma]

51 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

You are great for bringing up history, but let's talk about this trial.

 

Do you think that Trump had affairs with Stormy Daniels and/or Karen McDougal?

 

Yeah, I know, you don't have talking points to cover that, but please don't deflect - if you can't answer, admit it.

Stormy absolutely. MaDougal I frankly don't know enough about to make an informed guess.

 

So yeah I am sure he paid Stormy to shut up. She saw an opportunity to sell her story once Trump was in the spotlight as a Presidential candidate. And he wanted the story to go away. 

[Hanaguma]

39 minutes ago, Roo Island said:

A crime is a crime. Giving some a pass is a slippery slope. Equality for all

Not exactly. Some crimes are more serious than others, some have statute of limitations applied and so on. So let's let it play out and see where we wind up.

[Roo Island]

32 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

Not exactly. Some crimes are more serious than others, some have statute of limitations applied and so on. So let's let it play out and see where we wind up.

A grand jury indicted Trump. I'm guessing that they have more info about this than we do....

[stoner]

On 4/29/2024 at 4:46 AM, Roo Island said:

This forum has super dodgy posters who fall for the lies, misinformation and hatred that is spewed by the right.

 

.....and left.