Urban myth or unfortunate fact ?

[stoner]

15 hours ago, BritManToo said:

My first live in Thai girlfriend admitted she had paid a tuk tuk driver to kill her Swedish husband in a hit and run.

 

seems good grounds for dismissal. 

[CecilM]

Yes, it gets violent.

Sounds like a story, but true. Happened at a bar we all frequented. 

A friend snatched a girl in a bar. When he left, he got jumped by the other gang, severely beaten up, thrown into a car and driven to the 'burbs, stripped down to his underwear, and dumped into a dark alley. Clothes and wallet never found. 

[cdemundo]

I recently got a text message from a Thai acquaintance saying she had to go to Issan to help her mother. She said that her mother's sister and the sister's boyfriend had "killed" her mother. (Google translate best efforts.)

Apparently they beat her and put her in the hospital.

 

I never had an acquaintance in the US that had this kind of thing among family members.

Not saying it doesn't happen there, but just my experience.

[Gottfrid]

15 hours ago, BritManToo said:

Court case next month, I'll tell you the result. I'm expecting him to be let off as killing foreigners (for any reason) is ok in Thailand.

 

God help you if you bump into a Thai, sitting on your beach house steps though.

Stop with your nonsense. How would it be to see reality? What you are referring to, was not his beach steps. They were encroaching on the beach land. Try to read and get the facts, before you dumb out something.

[Gottfrid]

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Edited May 4 by Gottfrid
Double posting. The forum is really quick now ;-)

[cdemundo]

6 hours ago, FritsSikkink said:

Was a part time bouncer in Amsterdam red light for 9 months, done 11 years of martial arts and 6 years of front row rugby union.

Had about 100 physical arguments, lost 3, ended up in hospital once with a couple of metal plates in my forehead as somebody hit me with a brick unexpectedly. Was very lucky not to die then.

You have had 100 fights?

Is that more than Mike Tyson?

You must go looking for trouble.

 

[Thingamabob]

Avoid confrontation. This is not your country. If you want to confront go home and do so with every right.

[Peterphuket]

Face loss, is the single biggest problem that can happen to a Thai, so yes, avoid any confrontation.

edit: What else I forget to mention, and in particular with a falang, we are nothing to them.

Edited May 4 by Peterphuket

[Peterphuket]

Will never forget it, 25 years ago stood with my then girlfriend on the boat to Koh Samui, up on the deck 2 Thai men come up to us to offer a hotel room. As we had already booked something ourselves, we did not want to take advantage of it and my girlfriend tried to make that clear to them but they persisted. Slightly irritated, I started to interfere but my friend pulled me away from them.
Once away from them she made it clear to me not to do that again because of the escalation that might result.
I had learnt my lesson.

[newbee2022]

16 hours ago, The Cobra said:

"girl snatching"

Is this another word for idiocy?😳

[rwill]

When we lived in the US we hired a handyman to do some work on our house.  The next week he was shot dead by his son.  His son had asked him for some money and he didn't give it to him.

[herfiehandbag]

There are places and environments worldwide where violence is often lurking under the surface. If it's perpetrators think that they will get away with it, they will use it.

 

Try driving a taxi on nights!

[NoshowJones]

17 hours ago, FritsSikkink said:

What a load of nonsense. You weren't killed and you avoid the details on what you did after bumping into his car until you got hit.

The guy didn't bump into the girl but kicked and harassed her, his Thai wife threatened to shoot her, and the beach house steps weren't his as they were on public land.

Twisting stories, telling half-truths, anything to blame Thai people.

I have been involved in a few assaults on guys back in the UK, Mainly for threatening me with violence but never in Thailand probably because as a non drinker I do not frequent bars where back in the UK I did, for various reasons.

I have often pulled up guys in Thailand for queue jumping, but none of them have retaliated in any way probably because I was a big fit looking guy.

I have read lots of times about Thai guys only fighting when the odds are in their favour but never been involved.

[gomangosteen]

9 hours ago, FritsSikkink said:

Was a part time bouncer in Amsterdam red light for 9 months, done 11 years of martial arts and 6 years of front row rugby union.

Had about 100 physical arguments, lost 3, ended up in hospital once with a couple of metal plates in my forehead as somebody hit me with a brick unexpectedly. Was very lucky not to die then.

Did they remove the brick, or leave it in situ and wire the pieces together with rebar?

[patman30]

"The best defence is no be there" -Mr. Miyagi

Edited May 4 by patman30

[KhunLA]

19 hours ago, BritManToo said:

6 months back a Thai university lecturer tried to kill me because I bumped his car with a plastic bag hanging off my m/c.

 

My first live in Thai girlfriend admitted she had paid a tuk tuk driver to kill her Swedish husband in a hit and run.

 

I can assure you the threat of random and excessive violence is always here.

Yep ... especially if money involved.   After I threw the 1st wife out of the house, she got a silly offer to sell, and they asked me to sign off my usufruct.   I said no, since not splitting with me, and would buy me out, for what I spent. Nice break even & I'd be done.

 

I was looking over my shoulder for a while 

[BritManToo]

1 hour ago, NoshowJones said:

I have often pulled up guys in Thailand for queue jumping, but none of them have retaliated in any way probably because I was a big fit looking guy.

You ain't fitter than a bullet!

[Chris Daley]

I've had quite the opposite.  My gf keeps pushing me into fights and says ''see he saw you are alien and he walked away''.

 

One time one of their daughters had a boyfriend and they weren't happy with this.  I didn't know anything about this but later I realized I was just protection for them incase it turned nasty.

 

Another time an angry Thai got out and walked towards the car.  She wound down the window on my side.

 

Another time I was told to meet her at the front of my work place.  Apparently she nudged a motorcycle in the slow traffic and the guy wanted money to fix the paint.  So I automatically did the wai and gave him the money.  She said ''why did you wai to him!''.

 

Yes Thai people are very violent people.  You should walk away from hostility.

Edited May 4 by Chris Daley

[Scouse123]

3 hours ago, WDSmart said:

I've lived in Thailand for over 20 years and have NEVER been threatened by a Thai. Of course, I live in a rural area in northeastern Thailand and don't go to bars to drink or stay out late at night. I also have been married to a Thai woman for most of that time, so I also don't go looking for street sex.  These are the scenarios that I assume Farangs are engaged in when they are threatened by Thais.

I have been threatened by Farangs a couple of times, but that was over disputes about golf at my golf club. These threats have never come to blows or have led to any retaliation. 

 

 

Your location doesn't have a lot to do with it, actually with the education standards lower in Isaarn, they can be more prone to using violence because many lack education, thoughts of consequences or financial means to get out of a dispute.

 

I have seen explosions of violence in bars and clubs in Isaarn, (nothing to do with myself or the company I was with) at concerts in the past, boys attacking other boys just because they come from a different village or school etc. That happens in Bangkok too.

 

It's nothing to do with being fearless as the OP supposed, it's to do with lack of thought for consequences. This is a common trait of many Thais, who act on impulse when angered.

 

With my being involved in Pattaya for many years in the hotel and bar scenes, I saw many incidents of violence with both foreigners and Thais, nine times out of ten, alcohol being the main factor.

 

As they say, Act in haste, repent at leisure.

 

When the OP talks about foreigners avoiding trouble, I will say something, most sensible Thais very much do the same and avoid unnecessary confrontation.

 

During Songkran, my partner's brothers were home up here, journeying from Bangkok. Like myself, they are late fifties and early sixties. They went out and returned early and told me the reason was that they didn't like the way things were developing at a party in the village.

 

A far more sensible approach is to avoid trouble before it comes to you, it's not cowardice, it's common sense.

[Kalorymetr]

Thai are immature and dangerous. Many don't show any brain activity. I usually avoid. I honked once at a truck that tried to kill me with dangerous manouvrr and guy caught up to me at an intersection to fight, but he gave up after he saw I was white.

[Bobthegimp]

21 hours ago, Callmeishmael said:

an outlaw who lived in the forest

 

His name was Luigi Vampa. 

 

I've seen things kick off with Thais plenty of times and was nearly on the receiving end on my second visit.  There's an anger just under the surface which erupts like a volcano over relatively minor things. 

 

Thankfully the Thais are also receptive to contrition.  I've made mistakes in etiquette and offered genuine apologies. Not only have they been accepted, but the anger disappeared immediately.  People back home hold a grudge, sometimes for years, and no amount of contrition will assuage that rage.

[NoshowJones]

2 hours ago, Chris Daley said:

I've had quite the opposite.  My gf keeps pushing me into fights and says ''see he saw you are alien and he walked away''.

 

One time one of their daughters had a boyfriend and they weren't happy with this.  I didn't know anything about this but later I realized I was just protection for them incase it turned nasty.

 

Another time an angry Thai got out and walked towards the car.  She wound down the window on my side.

 

Another time I was told to meet her at the front of my work place.  Apparently she nudged a motorcycle in the slow traffic and the guy wanted money to fix the paint.  So I automatically did the wai and gave him the money.  She said ''why did you wai to him!''.

 

Yes Thai people are very violent people.  You should walk away from hostility.

I would say there are a lot more cowards in Thailand than violent people, apart from the weapons thing about 95% of Thai guys need backup behind them before there is any attempt at violence on anyone.

[thaibeachlovers]

23 hours ago, The Cobra said:

Should we always opt to avoid confrontation, or is it worth standing up for ourselves, despite the potential risks involved? Especially nowadays when farangs seem to  have a deportation target on them if involved in any trouble.

I'll always avoid confrontation if possible. I hate pain and broken nose etc. So what if I look like a loser, as long as I'm not in court headed for jail.

[thaibeachlovers]

1 hour ago, Bobthegimp said:

People back home hold a grudge, sometimes for years, and no amount of contrition will assuage that rage.

Very true. Perhaps it's my Celtic heritage or that I'm a Scorpio, but never forget, never forgive is my motto. I'm waiting to get revenge for things that happened decades ago, but sadly I think I'll cross the great divide before I get satisfaction for past wrongs.

[thaibeachlovers]

3 hours ago, Scouse123 said:

A far more sensible approach is to avoid trouble before it comes to you, it's not cowardice, it's common sense.

Agree 100%.

[thaibeachlovers]

4 hours ago, KhunLA said:

Yep ... especially if money involved.   After I threw the 1st wife out of the house, she got a silly offer to sell, and they asked me to sign off my usufruct.   I said no, since not splitting with me, and would buy me out, for what I spent. Nice break even & I'd be done.

 

I was looking over my shoulder for a while 

Before my divorce my wife slept in a different room and I put a bolt on the bedroom door.

[BritManToo]

53 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Before my divorce my wife slept in a different room and I put a bolt on the bedroom door.

Me too, back in the UK.

[Hummin]

Christ sake, stay home

 

After many years in Thailand, or elsewhere, I have an understanding why some poeple always meet trouble wherever they go, and it is not about Thailand or thai culture! 

 

Never experienced one incident in Thailand for 20 years, and very few any other places

[Lacessit]

 

I am polite and respectful to most people, irrespective of nationality. I tend to avoid association with rough-looking people.

 

Many years ago, a martial arts instructor taught me the best thing to do in a confrontation is to walk away. Because there is always someone out there who will be faster, stronger, or more skilled.

 

IME people who go looking for trouble usually find it. I don't.

[farangkinok]

13 hours ago, Bobthegimp said:

 

His name was Luigi Vampa. 

 

I've seen things kick off with Thais plenty of times and was nearly on the receiving end on my second visit.  There's an anger just under the surface which erupts like a volcano over relatively minor things. 

 

Thankfully the Thais are also receptive to contrition.  I've made mistakes in etiquette and offered genuine apologies. Not only have they been accepted, but the anger disappeared immediately.  People back home hold a grudge, sometimes for years, and no amount of contrition will assuage that rage.

A "Count of Monte Cristo" fan, I see. 😄