44 minutes ago, Roo Island said:

Seems like you ignore the police officers who died or were injured on January 6th. All because of a meglomaniac who refused to accept defeat.

 

Trying to compare it to the huge issues we have with people of color being killed by police is ridiculous. And racist. Guess that you got your information from the Daily Caller?

 

Name 1 cop that died at the Capitol on Jan6.

 

There is reasoned debate about the number who died as a result of the Capitol riot. Ocasio-Cortez is including law enforcement officials who responded to the Capitol that day and committed suicide in the days and months afterward. 

 

Ocasio-Cortez’s statement that the Capitol attack resulted in “almost 10 dead” includes five police officers, none of whom died at the scene on Jan. 6.

 

The New York Times, citing unnamed law enforcement officials, initially reported that Sicknick was struck by a fire extinguisher, but later updated its story to say that medical experts said he did not die of blunt force trauma.  “The USCP accepts the findings from the District of Columbia’s Office of the Chief Medical Examiner that Officer Brian Sicknick died of natural causes.

 

Four suicides: Four other police officers committed suicide in the days and months after the riot.

 

So, one stroke and 4 suicides...  None of them at the Capitol on Jan6.

 

Journalist Glenn Greenwald commented on Twitter that the claim of “‘almost 10 dead’ from the 1/6 riot is deceitful in the extreme. Four people died on 1/6: all Trump supporters.”

 

https://www.factcheck.org/2021/11/how-many-died-as-a-result-of-capitol-riot/

 

Your turn...  How many died during the HRC riots and the 2020 BLM Summer of Love and mostly peaceful city burnings?  Betcha it was more than 4.  Then add all the non-MAGA mayhem since Oct07 and you can clearly see the left is far more destructive and dangerous than MAGAs.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

7 minutes ago, novacova said:

Is the ultimate sum of the left in order to achieve their goal. In the modern day western left, which group is off on a vile tangent, using the classic subversive methods of autocratic authoritarian means against their political opponents to achieve their goals? It’s plain as day, and the extreme left knows it but pretend disingenuously that they don’t. Looks severely pathetic and foolish. 

Plain as day? Only if you fall for the misinformation from the right. Stunning anyone falls for it.

1 minute ago, candide said:

A well written B.S. conspiracy theory post.

And don’t forget the forefathers of your ideology, Carl Marx, Lenin, Stalin and Mao. It’s written right there history. 

41 minutes ago, Roo Island said:

About as disgraceful as trying to compare the BLM protests to the attack on the Capitol. Or suggesting Biden was behind it. Or suggesting it was the deep state.

 

But considering Trump's ego. Totally possible.

 

Who suggested that? link or BS. lol

3 minutes ago, impulse said:

 

Name 1 cop that died at the Capitol on Jan6.

 

There is reasoned debate about the number who died as a result of the Capitol riot. Ocasio-Cortez is including law enforcement officials who responded to the Capitol that day and committed suicide in the days and months afterward. 

 

Ocasio-Cortez’s statement that the Capitol attack resulted in “almost 10 dead” includes five police officers, none of whom died at the scene on Jan. 6.

 

The New York Times, citing unnamed law enforcement officials, initially reported that Sicknick was struck by a fire extinguisher, but later updated its story to say that medical experts said he did not die of blunt force trauma.  “The USCP accepts the findings from the District of Columbia’s Office of the Chief Medical Examiner that Officer Brian Sicknick died of natural causes.

 

Four suicides: Four other police officers committed suicide in the days and months after the riot.

 

So, one stroke and 4 suicides...  None of them at the Capitol on Jan6.

 

Journalist Glenn Greenwald commented on Twitter that the claim of “‘almost 10 dead’ from the 1/6 riot is deceitful in the extreme. Four people died on 1/6: all Trump supporters.”

 

https://www.factcheck.org/2021/11/how-many-died-as-a-result-of-capitol-riot/

 

Your turn...  How many died during the HRC riots and the 2020 BLM Summer of Love and mostly peaceful city burnings?  Betcha it was more than 4.  Then add all the non-MAGA mayhem since Oct07 and you can clearly see the left is far more destructive and dangerous than MAGAs.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Stop. Please. Not going to waste my time with someone who falls for the bs from the Daily Caller.

14 minutes ago, stevenl said:

Republicans are calling for an investigation into the SS protection. That may be justified, but premature. First wait for the report.

 

Probably be like the Warren report, 555

9 minutes ago, Roo Island said:

 

More news for Putins propaganda machinery, and some wonder why the world looks at Usa as a demonised country. A Banana republic

Sad Statue literally

1 minute ago, proton said:

 

Who suggested that? link or BS. lol

Go back a few posts and you'll see. Many from the far right have posted that here.

Just now, Roo Island said:

Go back a few posts and you'll see. Many from the far right have posted that here.

 

You don't know then, more like shutter Island!

18 minutes ago, jvs said:

Now you are defending the Jan 6 riots  by saying it was nothing compared to the BLM protests.

Are you admitting it was done by Right wing Republicans?

I think you are.

I just wish you would get your(republicans)facts straight so you can all draw one line instead of confusing yourself and others.

 

 

I'm not defending any violence.  I'm responding to a ludicrous claim that it's a proven fact that MAGAs are more dangerous.

 

All 3 instances of violence (4 now with the Oct7 riots) were wrong.  But Jan 6 killed a lot fewer people and did a lot less damage.  Though they did scare some people in power.  Which is why they've been hunted down 3+ years later, unlike the HRC supporters/rioters, the BLM rioters and the Hamas supporters/rioters.

 

2 minutes ago, proton said:

 

Probably be like the Warren report, 555

Ummm..that was an assassination. This wasn't. But yes, seems there were security lapses. Perhaps Trump's team should hire more guards.

1 minute ago, proton said:

 

You don't know then, more like shutter Island!

Not going to waste my time

1 minute ago, impulse said:

 

I'm not defending any violence.  I'm responding to a ludicrous claim that it's a proven fact that MAGAs are more dangerous.

 

All 3 instances of violence (4 now with the Oct7 riots) were wrong.  But Jan 6 killed a lot fewer people and did a lot less damage.  Though they did scare some people in power.  Which is why they've been hunted down 3+ years later, unlike the HRC supporters, the BLM rioter and the Hamas supporters.

 

It was an attack on our fragile democracy. Started by a nutter who refused to accept defeat.

 

You really need a better source for your news.

1 minute ago, Roo Island said:

Not going to waste my time

 

Let me translate that from the lefty into English.  I got nothing, so I'm going to attack the source, and when that doesn't work any more I'm going to take my crayons and go home.

 

 

For those of you who do not understand Republicans have everything to loose by this attempt to eliminate Trump, and Trump will win the election because of this. There is no doubt he is going to win by a landslide now. 

 

What ever motive the shooter had, unless he wanted to be remembered in the history as the one who killed (failed) Trump, he failed if the intention was to save the country from Trump and his clan

37 minutes ago, jvs said:

There are many but here is one.

 

Thanks for the link, really appreciate backing up your claim.

 

If you look at the photo, it's actually taken from below and the flag is high above the group of people.  That's why you can't see it in the video.

20 minutes ago, Roo Island said:

22 minutes ago, candide said:

Did the BLM assault the Capitol n order to try to steal the election, after being excited by a candidate to the Presidency? 😀

 

Which is worse, a hollow threat or actual death and destruction?

A post with a video from an unapproved social media source has been removed.

This is how main-stream news frames the assassination attempt on President Trump:

CNN : "Trump Injured In Incident at Pennsylvania Rally."  

MSNBC: "Trump Rushed Offstage at Pennsylvania Rally by Secret Service After Loud Popping Noises Heard."

The New York Times: "Trump Rushed Offstage After Chaos at Rally."

It's amazing how the media's hatred of President Trump factors into their reporting bias. 
"Incident." "Loud Popping Noises."  No big deal - move along.  Nothing to see here.  Probably a micro-meteor. 

Right! 

13 minutes ago, Roo Island said:

Plain as day? Only if you fall for the misinformation from the right. Stunning anyone falls for it.

Yes, clear as a bell, plain as day.

At least have the courage and authenticity to admit that you’d prefer there would be absolutely no Republicans/conservatives/opposing views and you’d prefer for them to be all out of the way, wouldn’t such a thing bring you joy?

30 minutes ago, jvs said:

Oh where to begin.

 

first of all ,off topic.

Since you mentioned it i will respond.

I must admit i am very confused,first it was my believe the Jan 6 riots had nothing to do with

"Right Wingers"

I was told by Right Wing Republicans it was Antifa and selected government agencies who staged

a riot to blame it on trump.

Now you are defending the Jan 6 riots  by saying it was nothing compared to the BLM protests.

Are you admitting it was done by Right wing Republicans?

I think you are.

I just wish you would get your(republicans)facts straight so you can all draw one line instead of confusing yourself and others.

For the millionth time - Antifa is NOT a group, it's a philosophy.

5 minutes ago, connda said:

This is how main-stream news frames the assassination attempt on President Trump:

CNN : "Trump Injured In Incident at Pennsylvania Rally."  

MSNBC: "Trump Rushed Offstage at Pennsylvania Rally by Secret Service After Loud Popping Noises Heard."

The New York Times: "Trump Rushed Offstage After Chaos at Rally."

It's amazing how the media's hatred of President Trump factors into their reporting bias. 
"Incident." "Loud Popping Noises."  No big deal - move along.  Nothing to see here.  Probably a micro-meteor. 

Right! 

First reports. Some don't jump to conclusions when facts are not there yet.

Later from CNN: shooting was an assassination attempt. I didn't check the others.

1 minute ago, HappyExpat57 said:

For the millionth time - Antifa is NOT a group, it's a philosophy.

 

  Its various different groups with similar views who unite to attack their opponents 

2 minutes ago, HappyExpat57 said:

For the millionth time - Antifa is NOT a group, it's a philosophy.

So?Does that make a difference in this case?

 

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1 hour ago, Roo Island said:

Perhaps this was a false flag Trump setup for political gain? Wouldn't put it past the nutter. Remember when he wanted to put on a superman suit when he walked out of the hospital after getting covid? Such a narcissist.

No not false.

Real bullets.

Almost killed Trump and killed at least one audience member.

Trump isn't brave enough to go for such a dangerous stunt.

1 hour ago, connda said:

 

He loves using the term but he doesn't have a clue what it means other then it's a good term to use against people whom you hate and despise. 

Here Jingthing.  Take 5 minutes and at least educate yourself as to what Fascism actually is as written by Mussolini and co-written by "the father of Fascism" Giovanni Gentile.

"Anti-individualistic, the Fascist conception of life stresses the
importance of the State and accepts the individual only in so far as
his interests coincide with those of the State, which stands for the
conscience and the universal, will of man as a historic entity (11).
It is opposed to classical liberalism which arose as a reaction to
absolutism and exhausted its historical function when the State
became the expression of the conscience and will of the people.
Liberalism denied the State in the name of the individual."¹

Most of those you claim to be "fascist" are individuals whom value natural law and the right of individuals to enjoy "Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness" as individuals.  Fascism is not a doctrine of individualism.  And in the ultimate of ironies, it's those who bandy the term "fascist" and claim to be "anti-fascist" who are themselves more aligned to the tenets of Classical Fascism then any "MAGA' supporter who you refer to as "fascists" or those of us who are classical liberals who value the individual above the State, where those like yourself want the State to intervene and control individuals who express individualism. 

What does this have to do with the Trump attempted assassination?  In your mind and the mind of others like you - and most likely the shooter - Trump and all Trump followers are 'fascist." You are just using a highly charged term as a pejorative, i.e., you are name-calling.
But?
In reality most MAGA supporters are individualists, conservatives, and are the antithesis of Fascists.  Many - especially independents like myself (although I'm not a MAGA supporter), hold to the tenets of Classical Liberalism² as their guiding philosophy. 

Do you want to see a fascist?  Find people who want the State to repress the rights of individuals.  Which by the way is the opposite of what MAGA supporters want.  Most MAGA supporters are individuals who want the State to stay out of their affairs.  It's those on the Left, especially the progressive Left who want the State to crush those with whom they disagree.

So Jingthing - use the term correctly. 

1. THE DOCTRINE OF FASCISM, Benito Mussolini, Giovanni Gentile, 1932

2. Classical Liberalism, Encyclolpaedia Britannica, June 2024

I can see that you're all hot and bothered about this but the inconvenient truth is that the Trump / Maga / Project 2025 cult of personality movement IS a fascist movement.

 

Ex-Labor Secretary Robert Reich Answers The Question: 'Is Donald Trump A Fascist?' | HuffPost Latest News

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Robert Reich explained why he believes Donald Trump really is a fascist.

The Clinton-era labor secretary, in a new YouTube video, listed the five elements of fascism as rejecting democracy in favor of a strongman leader, the glorification of warriors, the promotion of nationalism under one “superior” race, stoking rage against elites, and marginalizing women and the LGBTQ+ community.

And “these five elements find exact expression in Donald Trump,” he said.

Trump’s “uniquely American version of fascism is rooted largely in white Christian nationalism,” said Reich.

 

 

22 minutes ago, Roo Island said:

Not going to waste my time

Nor am I, blocked

Even though I definitely do regard Trump as a fascist and do think if he comes to power again (which most including me think is more likely after this shooting) American democracy is finished, I am definitely very much against political violence from any side.

 

That said, I'm wondering about a counterfactual historical premise.

 

IF the bullet that grazed Trump's ear had hit, what would the political effect be in the US and the world?

 

Who would the republicans then nominate?

 

Would it mean the republicans were bound to win the election without Trump?

 

Would it have meant civil war? 

 

I understand if some people don't think it's OK to talk about this here and now, but my point is that we were basically ONE INCH from that becoming reality.

3 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Even though I definitely do regard Trump as a fascist and do think if he comes to power again American democracy is finished, I am definitely very much against political violence from any side.

 

That said, I'm wondering about a counterfactual historical premise.

 

IF the bullet that grazed Trump's ear had hit, what would the political effect be in the US and the world?

 

Who would the republicans then nominate?

 

Would it mean the republicans were bound to win the election without Trump?

 

Would it have meant civil war? 

 

Speculation not needed never happened. Why talk about what if.

 

What if hillary had won.