Outstanding questions remain about new visa rules for Thailand

[blazes]

3 hours ago, george said:

Don Mueang arrival this morning: 

30 days

 

(Thanks Tod Daniels for sharing!)

 

You thank Tod Daniels for info re crossing a land border and arriving at an airport. 

Is this correct?

 

[bob smith]

the blind leading the blind.

 

how anyone can take this place seriously is beyond me.

 

bob.

[klauskunkel]

5 hours ago, webfact said:

What is not clear is whether these tourists can extend their 60 days by visiting local immigration and obtaining a further 30 days: a total of 90 days. Another ambiguity is whether visa-exempt tourists do a border run to repeat the whole exercise once again. If so, tourists without any visa could be based in Thailand for longer than the 180 days in a calendar year required for tax residency purposes. That possibility raises all sorts of questions as a tourist becomes an expat.

At least one can consistently rely on their inconsistencies

[Toby1947]

5 hours ago, redwood1 said:

Start with the...

 

 multiple entry, five-year DTV or Destination Thailand Visa

 

180 Days

 

After 180 days.

 

 Do a border run get 60 days  then get a extension  30  days  then another border run 60 days plus another extension for 30 day

 

Then back to the five-year DTV or Destination  Visa for another 180 days

 

Keep doing this for 5 years...

 

Then get a new  five-year DTV or Destination  Visa ......Lol

Rubbish, you would not be able to enter exempt whilst you have a current DTV. In place. They insist on you using your valid visa when current 180 days that's your lot. 

[tomazbodner]

So far there is nothing in Royal Gazette on this, and other media outlets say that Anutin approved and sent to Sreetha for signature, which apparently already happened. But nothing can be a law until it's published in Royal Gazette, I believe.

 

https://ratchakitcha.soc.go.th/

 

Follow this page to see when it pops up.

[Toby1947]

3 hours ago, george said:

Arrival stamps at a land border this morning. 30 days.

 

(Thanks Tod Daniels for sharing this with us!)

Pony Express, hasn't reached the Land borders yet, besides no one up there can read.😂🤣

[chang1]

4 hours ago, ikke1959 said:

Thailand shows again they have no clue what tourists are... Most tourist come to visit the country for 2 /3 weeks, and than return home as they have to work or have  other things. They will not need a 60 days visa.. Who will benefit from it?? in fact nobody as the ones who are looking for a longer stay could obtain a 90 days visa already at the Embassy. Now this is not needed anymore it will cost the Government  money. And the question remains why are people want to have a 60 day visa?? Nobody gets a clue, nobody has control anymore But as usual the Government makes decisions without proper investigations

Most only stay 2 or 3 weeks but some of us do stay 5 or more weeks. Not having to do an extension this year will be a bonus as I often limit our holiday to under a month to avoid the hassle. I had already booked 5 weeks so hope 60 days is in place this week. Saving £50 and a 50 mile trip to immigration will be a good bonus.

[Surasak]

1 hour ago, transam said:

This all sounds quite normal for this country, you know, the left hand doesn't know what the right hand is doing...........

There are even countries where certain people do not have either left or right hands, and in some cases neither hands. On the other hand, pun intended, the one legged man was seen running down the road to escape the mayhem.

[khunPer]

5 hours ago, ikke1959 said:

Thailand shows again they have no clue what tourists are... Most tourist come to visit the country for 2 /3 weeks, and than return home as they have to work or have  other things. They will not need a 60 days visa.. Who will benefit from it?? in fact nobody as the ones who are looking for a longer stay could obtain a 90 days visa already at the Embassy. Now this is not needed anymore it will cost the Government  money. And the question remains why are people want to have a 60 day visa?? Nobody gets a clue, nobody has control anymore But as usual the Government makes decisions without proper investigations

Agree with part of what you states, but retired people arriving as tourists would often like to spend more than 30 days in Thailand during the cold northern Europe winter and from other destinations, so 60 days with a possible 30-days extension of stay makes really good sense.

 

However, the total number of days staying that one can stay in Thailand within a calendar year, without a proper long stay-visa, year should be limited.

[toho]

5 hours ago, ikke1959 said:

Thailand shows again they have no clue what tourists are... Most tourist come to visit the country for 2 /3 weeks, and than return home as they have to work or have  other things. They will not need a 60 days visa.. Who will benefit from it?? in fact nobody as the ones who are looking for a longer stay could obtain a 90 days visa already at the Embassy. Now this is not needed anymore it will cost the Government  money. And the question remains why are people want to have a 60 day visa?? Nobody gets a clue, nobody has control anymore But as usual the Government makes decisions without proper investigations

For normal tourists you may be right. But many tourists also make a tour through Asia, using Thailand as starting point and finish, they will be happy with 60 days. Also I know people who have relationships with persons from outside Thailand; if these people want to stay together for a longer period of time, then the visitors are forced to make visa runs every 30 days. In these cases a stay of 60 days would be a huge improvement, saving time, paperwork and money.

[chuang]

The immigration officers need time to adjust the date stamping devices..😁

[retarius]

Is it obligatory for every government scheme to get cocked up at the implementation phase.  You are successful in business when implementation becomes the strategy (think about it). Thais seem great at brainstorming ideas but are lost when it comes to turning those ideas into a good business or official improvement for their transactions. 

Cocking everything up is not a good strategy. 

[lapamita]

30 days aat BKK AIRPORT 13H TODAY  ofhhh f.*****************++ i go 20 august to europe, thanks last week again canbodia sick here

 

*** in the last 12 month was herenearly 4 month ..below 6 month all on Bkk airprt stamps

Edited July 15 by lapamita

[biggles45]

27 minutes ago, retarius said:

Thais seem great at brainstorming ideas

I often think that many people involved in the initial process can foresee problems, but because of the 'loss of face' issue they are afraid to point out flaws in a superiors ideas 

[biggles45]

I am retired in Philippines but spend 4-5 months a year in Thailand. A 60 day TV takes 2 business days to issue, so one night in Manila, not cheap, and a 250km round trip. This tourist is very pleased with the change. 

[geisha]

2 hours ago, sikishrory said:

I doubt some immigration staff will be happy with this. Less bureaucracy means less extensions, less processing, less visa runs, less cash for their pockets.

I think the Immigration offices will be very happy to get rid of the 30 day extensions clogging up their offices all day long.,

lots of people are snowbirds, as myself, who come for a few months through the EU winter. The new rules suit me fine , if they ever come  into force.

[Reddavy]

6 hours ago, ikke1959 said:

Thailand shows again they have no clue what tourists are... Most tourist come to visit the country for 2 /3 weeks, and than return home as they have to work or have  other things. They will not need a 60 days visa.. Who will benefit from it?? in fact nobody as the ones who are looking for a longer stay could obtain a 90 days visa already at the Embassy. Now this is not needed anymore it will cost the Government  money. And the question remains why are people want to have a 60 day visa?? Nobody gets a clue, nobody has control anymore But as usual the Government makes decisions without proper investigations

Me i want 60 days along with a lot of people i know. And it’s 60 day visa from the thai embassy in UK that’s why we have go to immigration for another 30 days. 

[Brian Hull]

I haven't lived in Thailand for the past four years but I keep a close watch on what's going on, and nothing ever changes. The Thais can democratically vote for who they want to be the government who are then not permitted to take control. The Ministry of Whacky Brainwaves keeps coming up with ideas (such as marihuana legalizing) and then backtracks soon after they come into effect, and  whatever the government does is always an ill-conceived dog's breakfast. I am living in Cambodia which is a breath of fresh air after Thailand - here you just pay your annual retirement fee (without any conditions) and renew it in  12 months time, with no need to contact government agencies in the meantime. Maybe the Thais should send a study group over to Phnom Penh.

[ujayujay]

OK....and this government wants to introduce the new tax system for foreigners. It was actually long overdue.....the new system has been in force since January 1, 2024 and nobody knows anything for sure.....Hold my Beer

[radiochaser]

New Tourist Visa Exemption Scheme (60 Days) Effective Date 15 July 2024

 

Nationals of the following 93 countries and territories are entitled to visa exemption for the purpose of tourism business engagements or urgent work or ad-hoc work, for up to 60 days period of stay and can be extended for another period not exceeding 30 days. Extension of stay is solely at the discretion of the immigration officer. Before the maximum stay of 90 days are eligible to apply for a new type of visa in Thailand.

 

 

https://washingtondc.thaiembassy.org/en/page/visaexempt-voajul2024

Edited July 15 by radiochaser

[doublezero]

A friend of mine just sent me a message that at about 6pm local time he received a visa for 60 days (viz until Sept 12). So it seems that the new regulation has finally become known at the immigration counters in Suvanaphum.

[thecyclist]

9 hours ago, ikke1959 said:

Thailand shows again they have no clue what tourists are... Most tourist come to visit the country for 2 /3 weeks, and than return home as they have to work or have  other things. They will not need a 60 days visa.. Who will benefit from it?? in fact nobody as the ones who are looking for a longer stay could obtain a 90 days visa already at the Embassy. Now this is not needed anymore it will cost the Government  money. And the question remains why are people want to have a 60 day visa?? Nobody gets a clue, nobody has control anymore But as usual the Government makes decisions without proper investigations

Most tourists maybe, but a sizable minority do want to stay longer, and some of them can't be bother with visa applications or extensions. I am one of them, several times over the post covid period, I stayed only 30 days ,would have stayed longer,  but decided to spend more time ,and money, in Cambodia and Vietnam. 

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

6 hours ago, LudwigK said:

Must be Published in the Royal Gazette!!!!

 

Indeed, prior news reports on all this, including the change to 60-day visa exempt stamps, made it clear that the new policies could NOT take effect until...

 

A. they were officially signed off by the Prime Minister, and

B. then after that they were published in the Royal Gazette

 

Typically, AFAIK, once the PM approves something, there's also an intermediate step where I believe what's called the Council of State reviews such measures for their legality prior to RG publication.

 

It seems more than a bit strange that the above news report only talks about action by the Interior Minister and makes absolutely no mention about actions by the PM or Royal Gazette publication.

 

I'm not going to believe the 60-day visa exempt change has or can come into effect until AFTER I read a news report here announcing that all these changes have been published in the RG.  And AFAIK, that hasn't happened yet.

 

 

 

Edited July 15 by TallGuyJohninBKK

[tomazbodner]

13 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

Indeed, prior news reports on all this, including the change to 60-day visa exempt stamps, made it clear that the new policies could NOT take effect until...

 

A. they were officially signed off by the Prime Minister, and

B. then after that they were published in the Royal Gazette

 

Typically, AFAIK, once the PM approves something, there's also an intermediate step where I believe what's called the Council of State reviews such measures for their legality prior to RG publication.

 

It seems more than a bit strange that the above news report only talks about action by the Interior Minister and makes absolutely no mention about actions by the PM or Royal Gazette publication.

 

I'm not going to believe the 60-day visa exempt change has or can come into effect until AFTER I read a news report here announcing that all these changes have been published in the RG.  And AFAIK, that hasn't happened yet.

 

 

 

Just checked Royal Gazette - lots of entries dated today, even covering the management of waste and welfare of dogs, but nothing about any tourist entry rules...

[Straight8]

Who here is surprised with this?

 

Disorganization of the highest kind.

[chrisbangkok]

10 hours ago, george said:

 

Arrived today Suvarnabhumi ( Monday 15 July) stamped in until Sept 14 .

 

[Lorry]

24 minutes ago, chrisbangkok said:

Arrived today Suvarnabhumi ( Monday 15 July) stamped in until Sept 14 .

 

That's 62 days. 

People who were stamped in 60 days got until Sep 12

[thaibreaker]

Reports of several people getting stamped in for 60 days this afternoon and evening.

So finally it's in effect, at Suvarnabhumi at least.

 

The question was asked to the immigration officer if the 60 days could be extended with another 30 days. The answer was YES.

Edited July 15 by thaibreaker

[George FmplesdaCosteedback]

Here we go again, something is announced and the Thai "officials" know nothing about it or don't know how to implement it.

No doubt it will be done differently depending on who you get, where you get it and if they are in a good mood.

 

 

[sanabavy IV]

Come on PM Stretha! come back again to one of those rebellious airports, and stamp up in person the first passport with 60 day free entry 😮‍💨!