28 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

I always find it amusing and slightly sad how Trump supporters go on and on about immigration, and yet their man is the one who killed the bipartisan immigration bill, by discouraging Congress and the Senate to vote for it, to score political points. Another example of a spectacularly selfish man, always acting in his own self-interest and never considering the benefit of the nation. 

Again, this lie has been told over and over here.  The bill Biden tried to get passed would do nothing but process the illegal aliens into the country more quickly and help get the illegal aliens legalized and subsidized as quickly as possible. Only a few "Chamber of Commerce" Republicans supported it. The bill was a POC. 

 

Why is it that HR2, a bill that actually would close the border passed the house over a year ago, but Democrat controlled Senate stopped it?

 

Why does that not get any press? 

 

And again, as soon as it looked like the border would cost them the election, Biden reimplemented some of Trump's policies and finally got the border closed. 

 

 

30 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

That is exactly correct, neither the US, nor Thailand, nor many other countries could get by without cheap immigrant labor, some of its legal, some of it's illegal. 

Why? 

30 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

The other aspect of this argument that nobody wants to talk about is the legal immigration system and how broken it is and the need to reform a 70-year-old quota system which is completely outdated. A guy from India studies at MIT, graduates at the top of his class in nuclear physics, and can't get a visa to work in the US because of the broken quota system.

 

That is stupid and bizarre. Yet, few want to speak of it, or address it. 

I would like to talk about this. Why is it that with almost a million legal immigrants a year, do we not have room for a "...guy from India studies at MIT, graduates at the top of his class in nuclear physics..."? 

 

6 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

Again, this lie has been told over and over here.  The bill Biden tried to get passed would do nothing but process the illegal aliens into the country more quickly and help get the illegal aliens legalized and subsidized as quickly as possible. Only a few "Chamber of Commerce" Republicans supported it. The bill was a POC. 

 

Why is it that HR2, a bill that actually would close the border passed the house over a year ago, but Democrat controlled Senate stopped it?

 

Why does that not get any press? 

 

And again, as soon as it looked like the border would cost them the election, Biden reimplemented some of Trump's policies and finally got the border closed. 

 

 

 

You well know why HR2 isn't supported by the Democrats, for those who are unaware the following provides a summary...

 

The bill includes some measures we have heard about—including completing a border wall, changes in asylum standards, and expansion of detention for families and children—along with other hard-line policies that turn our immigration system into a punitive tool aimed at immigrants in the United States. In this piece, we examine three of the cruellest, but less known consequences of an enacted H.R. 2 in the name of “securing the border.”  

 

https://unidosus.org/blog/2024/02/08/house-republican-border-bill-is-extreme-and-destructive/

15 minutes ago, earlinclaifornia said:

Some of our best employers know so much contribution comes from outside

So with all the benefits of illegal immigration, why is Harris pretending she is going to stop it? Why does she not defend her open border polices? 

1 minute ago, simple1 said:

 

You well know why HR2 isn't supported by the Democrats, for those who are unaware the following provides a summary...

 

The bill includes some measures we have heard about—including completing a border wall, changes in asylum standards, and expansion of detention for families and children—along with other hard-line policies that turn our immigration system into a punitive tool aimed at immigrants in the United States. In this piece, we examine three of the cruellest, but less known consequences of an enacted H.R. 2 in the name of “securing the border.”  

 

https://unidosus.org/blog/2024/02/08/house-republican-border-bill-is-extreme-and-destructive/

 

I do know why Democrats do not support it, as Mike and Earl both pointed out, they WANT the border open. 

12 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

 

I do know why Democrats do not support it, as Mike and Earl both pointed out, they WANT the border open. 

 

No, Democrats do want open borders, that's just echo chamber trump BS. The link I provided makes it very clear why the Dems object to HR2. As has been repeated many times, trump blocked the bi-partisan bill purely for selfish political reasons, not for the good of America.

1 minute ago, simple1 said:

 

No, Democrats do want open borders, that's just echo chamber trump BS. The link I provided makes it very clear why the Dems object to HR2. As has been repeated many times, trump blocked the bi-partisan bill purely for selfish political reasons, not for the good of America.

Then why are Mike and Earl claiming illegal immigrants are great? 

 

The bill Biden tried to get passed would do nothing but process the illegal aliens into the country more quickly and help get the illegal aliens legalized and subsidized as quickly as possible. Only a few "Chamber of Commerce" Republicans supported it. The bill was a POC. That is why it was stopped. 

 

11 minutes ago, simple1 said:

 

No, Democrats do want open borders, that's just echo chamber trump BS. The link I provided makes it very clear why the Dems object to HR2. As has been repeated many times, trump blocked the bi-partisan bill purely for selfish political reasons, not for the good of America.

 

29 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

 

I do know why Democrats do not support it, as Mike and Earl both pointed out, they WANT the border open. 

Bold Face Lie 

MAGA gloom helps you make up poo

Just now, earlinclaifornia said:

 

Bold Face Lie 

MAGA gloom helps you make up poo

Is that supposed to rhyme?

I'm rubber, you're glue, what you say bounces off me and sticks to you. 

38 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

So with all the benefits of illegal immigration, why is Harris pretending she is going to stop it? Why does she not defend her open border polices? 

That point I made was for legal and just you lying. I refered to illegal

You MAGA make up poo to avoid the truth

5 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

Is that supposed to rhyme?

I'm rubber, you're glue, what you say bounces off me and sticks to you. 

I expect that from you 

46 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

Why? 

I would like to talk about this. Why is it that with almost a million legal immigrants a year, do we not have room for a "...guy from India studies at MIT, graduates at the top of his class in nuclear physics..."? 

 

The quota system. Look into it. I have discussed it with immigration attorneys. They all agree. It needs to be updated. 

1 minute ago, spidermike007 said:

The quota system. Look into it. I have discussed it with immigration attorneys. They all agree. It needs to be updated. 

Actually some time back John Oliver covered the topic and it was  amazing

29 minutes ago, earlinclaifornia said:

That point I made was for legal and just you lying. I refered to illegal

You MAGA make up poo to avoid the truth

Bold Face Lie 

 

23 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

The quota system. Look into it. I have discussed it with immigration attorneys. They all agree. It needs to be updated. 

While I agree that the quota system needs to be updated, I doubt very much immigration attorneys would be who to ask about it. They have a vested interest. 

 

In any event, legal immigration is a completely separate issue from illegal immigration and border control. 

 

Unlike what the press would have you believe; most people do not have an issue with legal immigration. 

 

 

 

 

1 hour ago, Yellowtail said:

Then why are Mike and Earl claiming illegal immigrants are great? 

 

The bill Biden tried to get passed would do nothing but process the illegal aliens into the country more quickly and help get the illegal aliens legalized and subsidized as quickly as possible. Only a few "Chamber of Commerce" Republicans supported it. The bill was a POC. That is why it was stopped. 

 

 

How about ceasing the BS. Republicans didn't vote as trump was opposed

 

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/republicans-kill-border-bill-sign-trumps-strength-mcconnells-waning-in-rcna137477

26 minutes ago, simple1 said:

 

How about ceasing the BS. Republicans didn't vote as trump was opposed

 

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/republicans-kill-border-bill-sign-trumps-strength-mcconnells-waning-in-rcna137477

 

 

How about ceasing the BS. Trump was not in office and any Republican that voted for it would likely lose their seat in the next election. That's why they did not vote for it. 

 

Again, the bill Biden tried to get passed would do nothing but process the illegal aliens into the country more quickly and help get the illegal aliens legalized and subsidized as quickly as possible. Only a few "Chamber of Commerce" Republicans supported it. The bill was a POC. That is why it was stopped. 

 

The intent of the bill was clear, and it was not to stop illegal immigration. Rather than relying on the leftist propaganda NBC spews out, why not just read the bill? 

 

 

 

Actions - S.4361 - 118th Congress (2023-2024): Border Act of 2024 | Congress.gov | Library of Congress

 

 

56 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

While I agree that the quota system needs to be updated, I doubt very much immigration attorneys would be who to ask about it. They have a vested interest. 

 

In any event, legal immigration is a completely separate issue from illegal immigration and border control. 

 

Unlike what the press would have you believe; most people do not have an issue with legal immigration. 

 

 

 

 

Well I do believe quite strongly that it's very difficult to have an intelligent conversation about illegal immigration, without discussing the need for reform, and the need to update legal immigration. The system is broken and there are reasons why the system is broken, however a lot of that kind of well informed discussion seems to get lost on the podcast mob. 

 

Once illegal immigration is reduced to a mere meme, it becomes quite unintelligible. 

 

1 minute ago, spidermike007 said:

Well I do believe quite strongly that it's very difficult to have an intelligent conversation about illegal immigration, without discussing the need for reform, and the need to update legal immigration. The system is broken and there are reasons why the system is broken, however a lot of that kind of well informed discussion seems to get lost on the podcast mob. 

 

Once illegal immigration is reduced to a mere meme, it becomes quite unintelligible. 

 

I have no idea what you are trying to say.

 

It is two different discussions. 

 

It is hard to get support for legal immigration when millions of illegals are flooding into the county. 

 

What does everything have to be "comprehensive"? Why can we not get bills past one page at a time? 

1 minute ago, Yellowtail said:

I have no idea what you are trying to say.

 

It is two different discussions. 

 

It is hard to get support for legal immigration when millions of illegals are flooding into the county. 

 

What does everything have to be "comprehensive"? Why can we not get bills past one page at a time? 

I recently watched a video with Regan in a presidential debate. Topic? Problems with border controls and illegal immigration.

 

Politicians don't seem to want to solve the problem. Just kick the can down the road

37 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

 

 

How about ceasing the BS. Trump was not in office and any Republican that voted for it would likely lose their seat in the next election. That's why they did not vote for it. 

 

Again, the bill Biden tried to get passed would do nothing but process the illegal aliens into the country more quickly and help get the illegal aliens legalized and subsidized as quickly as possible. Only a few "Chamber of Commerce" Republicans supported it. The bill was a POC. That is why it was stopped. 

 

The intent of the bill was clear, and it was not to stop illegal immigration. Rather than relying on the leftist propaganda NBC spews out, why not just read the bill? 

 

 

 

Actions - S.4361 - 118th Congress (2023-2024): Border Act of 2024 | Congress.gov | Library of Congress

 

 

Completely false. Let's have an honest discussion here. This is what Trump convinced members of Congress and the Senate to veto as he did not want Biden to get credit for the passage of this bill. You could not only make an argument that it was a huge disservice to his nation, but you could also make an argument that it was entirely selfish motives that compelled him to act in such an unpatriotic manner. 

 

A “Border Emergency Authority” Adding a New, 

Restrictive, and Opaque Process

until Border Crossings Reach Very Low Levels. 

 

The “trigger” authority—called the “Border Emergency Authority”—would enable the administration to summarily deport migrants who enter between ports of entry without permitting them to apply for asylum. 

 

In addition it would have allowed for the hiring of 1,500 additional border agents, specifically for patrolling the border areas. 

 

The upshot is this: on any given day, a would-be asylum seeker would have no idea whether they would be allowed to seek asylum in the U.S. or not. The government would be allowed to opt people out of summary removal for a variety of reasons, including operational constraints such as overcrowding. Non-Mexican unaccompanied children would also be exempted. Those set for summary removal could receive a screening for non-asylum humanitarian protection by affirmatively “manifesting” fear of persecution or torture to a border official—volunteering without prompting that they fear return or showing an obvious sign of fear. 

 

Notably, for the first time since 1990, the bill would allocate additional immigrant visas—green cards—to expand legal immigration to the U.S. The increases would amount to a 13 percent increase for employment-based visas and a 7 percent increase for family-based visas for the next five years. 

 

https://www.americanimmigrationcouncil.org/research/analysis-senate-border-bill

6 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

Completely false. Let's have an honest discussion here. This is what Trump convinced members of Congress and the Senate to veto as he did not want Biden to get credit for the passage of this bill. You could not only make an argument that it was a huge disservice to his nation, but you could also make an argument that it was entirely selfish motives that compelled him to act in such an unpatriotic manner. 

 

A “Border Emergency Authority” Adding a New, 

Restrictive, and Opaque Process

until Border Crossings Reach Very Low Levels. 

 

The “trigger” authority—called the “Border Emergency Authority”—would enable the administration to summarily deport migrants who enter between ports of entry without permitting them to apply for asylum. 

 

In addition it would have allowed for the hiring of 1,500 additional border agents, specifically for patrolling the border areas. 

 

The upshot is this: on any given day, a would-be asylum seeker would have no idea whether they would be allowed to seek asylum in the U.S. or not. The government would be allowed to opt people out of summary removal for a variety of reasons, including operational constraints such as overcrowding. Non-Mexican unaccompanied children would also be exempted. Those set for summary removal could receive a screening for non-asylum humanitarian protection by affirmatively “manifesting” fear of persecution or torture to a border official—volunteering without prompting that they fear return or showing an obvious sign of fear. 

 

Notably, for the first time since 1990, the bill would allocate additional immigrant visas—green cards—to expand legal immigration to the U.S. The increases would amount to a 13 percent increase for employment-based visas and a 7 percent increase for family-based visas for the next five years. 

 

https://www.americanimmigrationcouncil.org/research/analysis-senate-border-bill

I think 5,000 a day (almost two million a year) was the trigger. 

 

Why not post a link to the actual bill rather than the analysis done by a group that depend on immigration for its survival? 

Let's have an honest discussion here. Biden did not seem to have any difficulty getting the border closed the moment it looked like it could cost him the election. 

 

 

 

1 hour ago, Yellowtail said:

Bold Face Lie 

 

That post (different than the other) was to point out the illegals work for less pay than anybody. They do jobs nobody will take.

Those employers bear the responsibility for hires without work permits.

11 minutes ago, earlinclaifornia said:

That post (different than the other) was to point out the illegals work for less pay than anybody. They do jobs nobody will take.

Those employers bear the responsibility for hires without work permits.

So you are against illegal immigration and want the illegal aliens deported, yes? 

 

It is almost over. Kamala will be moving into the White House and Trump will be heading to prison.  Ignore the Russian Trolls and vote blue.

 

 

Only folks who are so blinded by their obsession over Donald Trump will ever claim that the Border was not wide open.

 

An obsession over Donald Trump trumps reality and truth. Cant have both.

1 minute ago, Yagoda said:

Only folks who are so blinded by their obsession over Donald Trump will ever claim that the Border was not wide open.

 

An obsession over Donald Trump trumps reality and truth. Cant have both.

The left says the border is closed, so you show them it is open. 

 

The left then blames the open border on the evil Republicans for not passing a POC border bill, so you show them that the POC border bill would let almost two million illegals into the country. 

 

Then the left claims that illegal immigrants are great for the economy, so you show them that while illegal immigrants benefit the rich, they hurt the poor. 

 

Then the left calls you a stupid MAGA Trumpist, so you show them that they are going to lose the election unless illegal immigration is stopped. 

 

So the left all become border hawks and insist they always have been. 

9 hours ago, Danderman123 said:

That's an interesting take.

 

What did Biden do that went against the advice of his military advisers?

It's not an interesting take, it's what actually happened. You want to believe the Biden version, up to you.