With the Dems party evidently in danger of being disrupted by anti American and Pro Hamas demonstrators (funded by Iran ?), will Kamal show the cojones to tell these folks to stuff it.

 

Will this be like 1968 again?

43 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

With the Dems party evidently in danger of being disrupted by anti American and Pro Hamas demonstrators (funded by Iran ?), will Kamal show the cojones to tell these folks to stuff it.

 

Will this be like 1968 again?

About time the US stops supporting Israel. Trump sure dd.

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-44120428

 

Jerusalem embassy: Why Trump's move was not about peace

 

In this case, his base also lobbied hard for the move. That included right-wing American Jews whose message was amplified by the conservative orthodox Jews dominating Mr Trump's inner circle.

 

It also included evangelicals whose voice was amplified by the devout Christian in the White House, Vice-President Mike Pence.

"God decided Jerusalem was the capital of Israel more than 3,000 years ago during the time of King David," I was told by Dallas evangelical pastor Robert Jeffress, who cited Biblical history. He and another leading voice in the pro-Israel part of the Christian world delivered prayers at the opening ceremony.

4 minutes ago, Roo Island said:

About time the US stops supporting Israel. Trump sure dd.

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-44120428

 

Jerusalem embassy: Why Trump's move was not about peace

 

In this case, his base also lobbied hard for the move. That included right-wing American Jews whose message was amplified by the conservative orthodox Jews dominating Mr Trump's inner circle.

 

It also included evangelicals whose voice was amplified by the devout Christian in the White House, Vice-President Mike Pence.

"God decided Jerusalem was the capital of Israel more than 3,000 years ago during the time of King David," I was told by Dallas evangelical pastor Robert Jeffress, who cited Biblical history. He and another leading voice in the pro-Israel part of the Christian world delivered prayers at the opening ceremony.

Hamas is backed by iran who is backed by russia. So by voting democrat you are effectively opting to drop israel as an ally in exchange for iran and russia. The extreme left seems to want america to be friends with islam now

1 hour ago, Yagoda said:

With the Dems party evidently in danger of being disrupted by anti American and Pro Hamas demonstrators (funded by Iran ?), will Kamal show the cojones to tell these folks to stuff it.

 

Will this be like 1968 again?

 

Only time will tell if the dems / harris tell them to stuff it! Imop but if they riot like they have in the past imop,

“According to the poll, 32% of Democrats questioned say they support the demonstrations, with 38% saying they agree with the protesters' demands but oppose the way they are conducting themselves. Seventeen percent of Democrats said they oppose the protests”.

 
She might answer for it imop

She has in the past condemned the dc riots during NETANYAHUA speech at congress!

"Pro-Hamas graffiti and rhetoric is abhorrent and we must not tolerate it in our nation," Harris wrote.

 

Harris said. "I condemn any individuals associating with the brutal terrorist organization Hamas, which has vowed to annihilate the State of Israel and kill Jews. "

 

 

 

Have you ever thought of why her?imop

Why does she need to denounce these people who hide their faces  and carry on , “as they have”? Imop

 

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/democrats-divided-on-anti-israel-pro-palestinian-college-campus-protests-republicans-united-poll

 

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/kamala-harris-reacts-anti-israel-riots-dcs-union-station

 

 

 

 

 

18 minutes ago, mdr224 said:

Hamas is backed by iran who is backed by russia. So by voting democrat you are effectively opting to drop israel as an ally in exchange for iran and russia. The extreme left seems to want america to be friends with islam now

What? That makes no sense at all

16 minutes ago, riclag said:

 

Only time will tell if the dems / harris tell them to stuff it! Imop but if they riot like they have in the past imop,

“According to the poll, 32% of Democrats questioned say they support the demonstrations, with 38% saying they agree with the protesters' demands but oppose the way they are conducting themselves. Seventeen percent of Democrats said they oppose the protests”.

 
She might answer for it imop

She has in the past condemned the dc riots during NETANYAHUA speech at congress!

"Pro-Hamas graffiti and rhetoric is abhorrent and we must not tolerate it in our nation," Harris wrote.

 

Harris said. "I condemn any individuals associating with the brutal terrorist organization Hamas, which has vowed to annihilate the State of Israel and kill Jews. "

 

 

 

Have you ever thought of why her?imop

Why does she need to denounce these people who hide their faces  and carry on , “as they have”? Imop

 

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/democrats-divided-on-anti-israel-pro-palestinian-college-campus-protests-republicans-united-poll

 

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/kamala-harris-reacts-anti-israel-riots-dcs-union-station

 

 

 

 

 

Faux News. Not worth reading

1 hour ago, Yagoda said:

With the Dems party evidently in danger of being disrupted by anti American and Pro Hamas demonstrators (funded by Iran ?), will Kamal show the cojones to tell these folks to stuff it.

 

Will this be like 1968 again?

 

 

VP Harris has already made herself clear.  She did it in a firm and responsible manner. 

 

 

 

45 minutes ago, mdr224 said:

Hamas is backed by iran who is backed by russia. So by voting democrat you are effectively opting to drop israel as an ally in exchange for iran and russia. The extreme left seems to want america to be friends with islam now

 
Im with you ! Brilliantly written! Imop

Extreme left ! Heres a good read ,it talks about both sides of extreme!imop But more recently what’s happening currently imop.

You’d be hard pressed to find  credible sources favorably arguing the extreme left in America wants america to be friends with islam ,in the context of your opinion. Imop

 

This left leaning article mentions the concerns in the Usa . Imop

 

https://newlinesinstitute.org/nonstate-actors/operating-under-the-radar-violent-left-wing-extremism-is-becoming-more-dangerous/

14 minutes ago, riclag said:

 
Im with you ! Brilliantly written! Imop

Extreme left ! Heres a good read ,it talks about both sides of extreme!imop But more recently what’s happening currently imop.

You’d be hard pressed to find  credible sources favorably arguing the extreme left in America wants america to be friends with islam ,in the context of your opinion. Imop

 

This left leaning article mentions the concerns in the Usa . Imop

 

https://newlinesinstitute.org/nonstate-actors/operating-under-the-radar-violent-left-wing-extremism-is-becoming-more-dangerous/

So far I have seen on the telly groups carrying signs

Communists

Migrant Rights

Gays for Hamas

Defund Israel

Genocide Joe

Baby Killer Kamala

 

 

This is gonna be great

13 hours ago, Patong2021 said:

 

 

VP Harris has already made herself clear.  She did it in a firm and responsible manner. 

 

 

I hear your voices baby

 

Interesting New Lines Institute article linked above...that starts out with the following introductory comment:

 

'Though far-right actors are the primary threat to the U.S. homeland (50 states and territories)..."

 

And then goes on to further elaborate:

 

Describing and Assessing the Violent Threat

"In the 1970s and 1980s, far-left violent extremists were the primary terrorist threat confronting the United States. Currently, among domestic-focused actors, they are secondary in scale and scope to violent far-right extremists. For example, far-right extremists are known to stockpile large caches of firearms, ammunition, explosives, and other weapons and regularly engage in attacks with the intent of inflicting mass casualties, such as mass shootings. These behaviors have not been commensurately observed among violent far-left actors..."

 

And:

 

"The general historical and contemporary trend of violent far-leftist targeting has been directed at property. To the extent that far-left violence is directed at people, it is mostly and intentionally non-fatal. This is due to operational and ideological preferences that favor inflicting economic damage (e.g., ending capitalism) and bringing attention to specific issues rather than harming civilians (though an exception to this trend is fatal attacks targeting police officers). Yet, as these authors have noted in previous assessments, there are also signs of possible growing intent to kill non-police civilians, suggesting internal constraints against generating fatalities are eroding."

 

https://newlinesinstitute.org/nonstate-actors/operating-under-the-radar-violent-left-wing-extremism-is-becoming-more-dangerous/

 

 

16 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

Interesting New Lines Institute article linked above...that starts out with the following introductory comment:

 

'Though far-right actors are the primary threat to the U.S. homeland (50 states and territories)..."

 

And then goes on to further elaborate:

 

Describing and Assessing the Violent Threat

"In the 1970s and 1980s, far-left violent extremists were the primary terrorist threat confronting the United States. Currently, among domestic-focused actors, they are secondary in scale and scope to violent far-right extremists. For example, far-right extremists are known to stockpile large caches of firearms, ammunition, explosives, and other weapons and regularly engage in attacks with the intent of inflicting mass casualties, such as mass shootings. These behaviors have not been commensurately observed among violent far-left actors..."

 

And:

 

"The general historical and contemporary trend of violent far-leftist targeting has been directed at property. To the extent that far-left violence is directed at people, it is mostly and intentionally non-fatal. This is due to operational and ideological preferences that favor inflicting economic damage (e.g., ending capitalism) and bringing attention to specific issues rather than harming civilians (though an exception to this trend is fatal attacks targeting police officers). Yet, as these authors have noted in previous assessments, there are also signs of possible growing intent to kill non-police civilians, suggesting internal constraints against generating fatalities are eroding."

 

https://newlinesinstitute.org/nonstate-actors/operating-under-the-radar-violent-left-wing-extremism-is-becoming-more-dangerous/

 

 

Yes, The first thing they mentioned!

Unfortunately for your side it also goes into extreme  left!

Currently in my country who’s marching in the streets?

Sure wish I had the balls to ignore the 3 line paste rule!imop

27 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

Interesting New Lines Institute article linked above...that starts out with the following introductory comment:

 

'Though far-right actors are the primary threat to the U.S. homeland (50 states and territories)..."

 

And then goes on to further elaborate:

 

Describing and Assessing the Violent Threat

"In the 1970s and 1980s, far-left violent extremists were the primary terrorist threat confronting the United States. Currently, among domestic-focused actors, they are secondary in scale and scope to violent far-right extremists. For example, far-right extremists are known to stockpile large caches of firearms, ammunition, explosives, and other weapons and regularly engage in attacks with the intent of inflicting mass casualties, such as mass shootings. These behaviors have not been commensurately observed among violent far-left actors..."

 

And:

 

"The general historical and contemporary trend of violent far-leftist targeting has been directed at property. To the extent that far-left violence is directed at people, it is mostly and intentionally non-fatal. This is due to operational and ideological preferences that favor inflicting economic damage (e.g., ending capitalism) and bringing attention to specific issues rather than harming civilians (though an exception to this trend is fatal attacks targeting police officers). Yet, as these authors have noted in previous assessments, there are also signs of possible growing intent to kill non-police civilians, suggesting internal constraints against generating fatalities are eroding."

 

https://newlinesinstitute.org/nonstate-actors/operating-under-the-radar-violent-left-wing-extremism-is-becoming-more-dangerous/

 

 

Nice, unbiased source LOL

Just now, Yagoda said:

Nice, unbiased source LOL

 

Better talk to Riclag about that.... He's the one who first posted it above.

 

 

6 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

Better talk to Riclag about that.... He's the one who first posted it above.

 

 

Here i finished it, for you…

 

 
Im with you ! Brilliantly written! Imop

Extreme left ! Heres a good read ,it talks about both sides of extreme!imop But more recently what’s happening currently imop.

The hypocrisy is spread thick on this thread. So many grubby stubby sanctimonious fingers  pointing in disapproval at VP Harris.  They belong to the same people who found excuses for Trump when white supremacists marched in support of Trump at the Unite the Right Rally & Protest in Charlottesville, VA and where he used the term "very fine people on both sides".

 

The Chicago protestors are voicing their disagreement with VP Harris and the Democrat party. If they were in agreement, they would not be protesting the  administration policy. They are  trying to disrupt the  political convention.  And yet, the nabobs of negativity, blame VP Harris for the protests. They would be the first to complain if the protestors' right to protest was interfered with. Yes, VP Harris and the Democrats respect the US Constitution and yes, that means they have to tolerate the protests of some very evil and repugnant people. It is the price of freedom and liberty.

 

The repeated false claims that  VP Harris is soft on the protestors is not only incorrect, it is maliciously deceitful.  VP Harris has denounced violence and Hamas. 

Kamala Harris condemns pro-Hamas protesters who burned American flag in D.C.   https://www.cbsnews.com/news/kamala-harris-american-flag-burning-union-station-dc-hamas-israel/

 

VP Harris has made clear her position months ago .

 

Yesterday, at Union Station in Washington, D.C. we saw despicable acts by unpatriotic protestors and dangerous hate-fueled rhetoric.  
I condemn any individuals associating with the brutal terrorist organization Hamas, which has vowed to annihilate the State of Israel and kill Jews. Pro-Hamas graffiti and rhetoric is abhorrent and we must not tolerate it in our nation. 
 I condemn the burning of the American flag. That flag is a symbol of our highest ideals as a nation and represents the promise of America. It should never be desecrated in that way. 
 I support the right to peacefully protest, but let’s be clear: Antisemitism, hate and violence of any kind have no place in our nation.

 

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2024/07/25/statement-by-vice-president-kamala-harris-3/

 

You lost with the fine people on both sides lie.

 

How do you feel about support for Israel. 

Kinda funny to see all the boarded up businesses and hundreds of cops at the DNC convention. As far as I recall,  the city of Milwaukee didn't have to do anything like that when the Republicans were in town. 

 

Why are Democrats so violent?

2 hours ago, mdr224 said:

Hamas is backed by iran who is backed by russia. So by voting democrat you are effectively opting to drop israel as an ally in exchange for iran and russia. The extreme left seems to want america to be friends with islam now

 

 

Confusing times. I thought Trump supporters rather be Russian than a Democrat.

 

 

 

 

Nothing wrong with wanting friendly relations with a religion.

 

If voting democrat means you support Russia, does voting Republican (Trumpian) mean you support rape and adultery? Of course, you'll probably claim the alleged rapey actions by Mr Trump are not true, but it is certainly true he has committed multiple acts of adultery. Then we need to discuss if Leviticus 20:10 and Deuteronomy 22:22 apply.

 

Hamas and Iran's relationship is interesting. Its a relationship of convenience, witha  common cause, but on everything else, they are diametrically opposed.

 

The iranian government believes in something called the guardianship of the Jurist. Essentially, there should be a leading Islamic jurist, or scholar, who enjoys complete authority until the 12 Inman arrives, kind of like the second coming, and how the Pope is seen among Roman Catholics. Hamas though adheres to the Muslim Brotherhood, which was an ideology that emerged before WW2, and was heavily influenced by European fascism. This ideology rejects the notion of the organised Islamic theocracy, and that Islam itself is the politic, to be wielded by the people in the street, not the dudes in the robes. There are thus ways to split that relationship; ultimately they are uneasy bed fellows. Which is why Iran is raging about the assasination of a Hamas leader inside of Iran, but actually hasn't done anything. They don't actually care that much about Hamas.

 

The role of Russia is even more complex. Now you will read about how how Russia i using hundreds of Iranian designed drones, initially drawn from Iranian stocks, but more lattery assembled inside of Russia (not clear if these are CKDs, or Russia is licence manufacturing them). But at the same time, most of the Russian designed  drones are actually Israeli designed; Israeli companies are deeply embedded in the Russian defence industry. Russia has mostly used Israeli drones to prosecute its actions in Syria. In 2019, Israel signed an agreement with Russia not to supply Ukraine or Georgia with military hardware in return for Russia not doing the same with Iran. This is obviously now kaput. 15% of Israelis hold Russian citizenship, and among them there will be undoubtedly those who still hold a loyalty to Putin's Russia.

 

10% of the Russian population are Muslim, and they are suppressed. There is a Quisling administration in Chechenya, which holds extraordinary influence with Putin. Within the Ukrainian army are Chechen seperatists; with 30 years of conflict, I suspect many of these men will not hold moderate views.

 

Now how does Iran view this situation in Russia, given its basing its position in the Islamic world  as a combination of theocratic interpretation, and a constitutional document based, amazingly, on the US Constitution (well technically Khomeini brought with him when he returned from exile in 1979, a document based on the French constitution which itself was inspired by the US Constitution). It has to look the other way.

 

These relationships are much more fickle than you suppose. Arabs hate Persians, and Persians despise the Arabs. This was at the root of things when Saddam Hussein attacked Iran, hoping to get one over. Britain promoted Zionism largely because of Imperial ambition and a need to remain relevant. The US, through Truman, supported the founding of Israel, largely because of Truman's Evangelical beliefs, where the existance of Israel is central to their pretty apocalyptic beliefs. Eisenhower evidently thought this was a load of nonsense, and blocked private shipments of munitions to the young Jewish state. Kennedy and Johnson were the ones who stepped up on the military and political aid to Israel

 

 

Someone in authority needs a serious word with this chap;

 

https://x.com/IvanRaiklin/status/1825254679082635623

 

22 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

Kinda funny to see all the boarded up businesses and hundreds of cops at the DNC convention. As far as I recall,  the city of Milwaukee didn't have to do anything like that when the Republicans were in town. 

 

Why are Democrats so violent?

They are until someone fights back, then they run like the masked cowards they are.

10 minutes ago, MicroB said:

Someone in authority needs a serious word with this chap;

 

https://x.com/IvanRaiklin/status/1825254679082635623

 

Share it with the Secret Service account. not that they are particularly competent

It is Chicago.

But it's not 1968.

Youse guys are trippin'.

It's going to be a fabulously positive celebration of our next president -- KAMALA HARRIS.

3 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

It is Chicago.

But it's not 1968.

Youse guys are trippin'.

It's going to be a fabulously positive celebration of our next president -- KAMALA HARRIS.

Yes I think she will win.

Will she do any good , probably not .

Too woke 

7 hours ago, Yagoda said:

With the Dems party evidently in danger of being disrupted by anti American and Pro Hamas demonstrators (funded by Iran ?), will Kamal show the cojones to tell these folks to stuff it.

 

Will this be like 1968 again?

 

They are not supporters of terrorism, but against Israel's continuing attacks on Gaza. Many Western country politicians have called out Israel for instances of War Crimes as well as Netanyahu's complicity for blocking peace talks outcomes.

including release of hostages for selfish political reasons..

 

 

8 hours ago, Yagoda said:

With the Dems party evidently in danger of being disrupted by anti American and Pro Hamas demonstrators (funded by Iran ?), will Kamal show the cojones to tell these folks to stuff it.

 

Will this be like 1968 again?

Anti-Israel march on DNC draws smaller crowd than predicted

 

Maybe no need for her to make a comment.

Israel took over a country that wasn't theirs! Some call it the spoils of war. Um, Palestine wasn't on Germany's side if my history serves me correctly. If giving Israel to the Jews was a spoils-of-war scenario, give them part of Germany. That would be fun to watch.

Israel is the aggressor.  Israelis constantly treat Palestinians like trash. Palestinians have almost no rights in their own country and if they want to take something to court, it goes to an Israeli military court.  Israelis, on the other hand, have all sorts of rights.

The US need to completely break ties with Israel in my opinion or at the very least, stop supplying them with weapons to kill civilians. Hamas was wrong for what they did, but it was not unprovoked.  Since then, Israel has been on an ethnic cleansing spree and not being 'on the defense'. They could have stopped this outrageous bullying long ago, but with US military weapons and financial support, they are able to this day to still bomb schools. 

No Israel = know peace in the Middle East

9 minutes ago, Galong said:

 Hamas was wrong for what they did, but it was not unprovoked. 

Provocation not even necessary. From the river to the sea, or whatever they say there. They just want jews dead. Jews fighting for their right to live on this earth. If you side with palestinians im sure you wouldnt mind living there with your friends. Take all the campus protesters with you

3 hours ago, Jingthing said:

Youse guys are trippin'.

 

why are you talking like a thug ? .......................wait never mind. 

Chaos or peaceful demonstrations?  That's what everyone is waiting to see.  Some businesses  along the route protesters will take in downtown Chicago have boarded up windows against possible violence.  That won't be much help if there are attacks by protesters determined to do damage. 

 

 

If the demonstrations turn into heavy confrontations with police, resuting in injuries and massive property damage, it will deflect the spotlight from Kamala's historic moment as the first Black female presidential candidate by a major party.  It will also cast a negative shadow over the convention in the minds of voters.   If demonstrations remain peaceful,  Kamala will get some of the credit, whether she deserves it or not.  

 

Another aspect is whether she will denounce open support for Hamas and Hezbollah (flags, headbands, slogans,  banners, chants, etc.).  The use of the inverted red triangle to mark Hamas targets, as in the examples below, is particularly disturbing.

 

 

 

 

As Hamas  and its supporters well know,  the inverted red triangle was used as a badge on uniforms in Nazi concentration camps.  The message to Jews everywhere in the world is, "We're coming after you like the Nazis did."