Going short-time only, shallow or succulent?

[fredwiggy]

Just now, jacob29 said:

 

.. and there it is, your real reason for not liking paid sex. These women are lower in your eyes, and you have worked backwards from your conclusion to justify why these women are in fact lower.

 

Abuse and hurting happens daily with respect to dating and marriage as well, so why do you give that a free pass? Possibly happens at a higher frequency as well, lord knows i have seen my share of abusive relationships. Can't easily leave for risk of society disapproving, sounds like a great time.

 

Except you do, as it results in unwanted pregnancies, which you have already stated you're against.

 

 

If a guy mostly wants sex, do you believe it's ethical to enter a relationship primarily to address that need? I don't understand how you seem to believe this would be an acceptable alternative.

 

The skint bar owners certainly aren't making bank, gogo bars are cut throat and far from easy profits - you do the math. Where can I find this wealthy pimp raking in the cash from their girls? That is a thing in some places of the world, and some lesser traveled parts of Thailand as well, but it's very much not the case for tourist facing establishments that face fierce competition.

 

I don't rely on what girls tell me, actions speak louder than words. The girls can see you outside the bar, where you know for sure they keep 100% of the money, as there's no middleman. Nobody even knows she is seeing you. Are girls clamouring for this? No, they definitively are not. You can conclude with high certainty this is because there isn't a lot of economic difference between that, and being taken out of a club.

 

 

Not at all immoral. Just like the fishing industry isn't inherently immoral, despite having a great deal of negative externally.

 

 

More disinformation. They can pay a woman at home, and actually often times pay less than top end venues in Thailand. Thailand is not the budget destination of the past.

 

Some studies show otherwise, with numbers exceeding 60%.

 

Source? Also where's your source for customers being dirty or smelly, would love to see it.

 

 

Circular logic. Even well adjusted women, in your view must be damaged goods by virtue of choosing sex work.

 

You made it about that.

 

 

What normal woman wants to marry a guy for financial security? I don't think you will much like hearing the answer to that.

 

You have been saying abuse is a big problem. Now you're essentially saying why would a woman care about abuse, if she can squeeze a little bit extra out?? Make your mind up - either abuse is a rampant issue, such that girls would rationally seek to minimize, or it's not. How can it be a big issue, if in your own words a women wouldn't care about taking minimal steps to avoid it?

No, I don't think they're lower than I.

 

Again, I don't like the trade because it demeans women, and is dangerous to them and the damage it does.

 

Where did I say hurting anyone gives someone a free pass? There is violence in all kinds of relationships. In this trade, there is a mentality that goes with it, looking at woman as objects of pleasure lowers them to many, and this is where the violence comes in . Some go to them for control, thinking because they're paid for, they can do whatever they want.

 

If a guy mostly wants sex, find a woman that thinks the same, and not be with one that's looking for more and use her.

 

If the girls are working at a bar, they are paying the bar some of the cash. If they have pimps, they get the most. Same everywhere. If you think no ones watching you and those girls, you're mistaken. Selling your body for money is immoral, period. Look up the definition.

 

Forget about the customers. I didn't say all were smelly, dirty, killers, abusive or anything else. Women are abused daily, and killed, so it happens, and a lot more than you know unless you're involved or talking to them, like the people doing the studies and social workers, and those trying to get some off drugs.

 

A well adjusted woman will not choose sex work. Think of what that means to be well adjusted.

 

All normal women, plus not so normal, want to be taken care of, meaning financial security, so I'm not sure why you mention this. Women that are trafficked or forced into this have already been subject to abuse, and more comes if they aren't doing their job, which is making money for their employers. Again, I'm talking about the dark side, and not the bar girls that get paid by regular customers just looking to get laid,and giving a percentage to the bar. If you're frequenting the bars , daily, and hit various bard, you're seeing only a tiny fraction of what goes on in just one town. If you look at the stats, violence happens all the time, somewhere, just as gun violence happens daily in the US, although I lived there 62 years and never saw any violence. especially with guns, and i sold guns for a living. Most of what goes on even in a small town you will never see, and maybe even hear about. People are beaten here daily, all over Thailand, and all you see is one case on TV that happened in one place, missing the other 1000 that happened elsewhere.

[bubblegum]

@fredwiggy Please go make dinner or do something else useful. Your ranting here is not welcome to everybody except yourself. 

 

Do us a favour and go and hold hands with ur gf if you even have one witch I doubt.

[fredwiggy]

6 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

What don't you understand about the adverb probably?

 

I like small women, they make me feel protective.

 

Your taste is too heavy for me. I don't know where you are from, but you need to catch up with metric measurements. Most professions have.

Probably means you think I probably haven't experienced it, but why?  Do you think you're the only one who has been with a tiny girl?  I'm from the US, where metric is used by not like standard. Here metric is  standard, but I still use American standard.

[fredwiggy]

Just now, bubblegum said:

@fredwiggy Please go make dinner or do something else useful. Your ranting here is not welcome to everybody except yourself. 

 

Do us a favour and go and hold hands with ur gf if you even have one witch I doubt.

Answering for everyone again, again assuming more than three are on your side as far as your want of a bought girl. Keep the answers from yourself, as there are quite a few here that think like I do that you aren't hearing from, but they're laughing. Jealous that I have a normal girlfriend i didn't have to purchase shows everyone here you're thinking also.

[save the frogs]

10 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

All normal women, plus not so normal, want to be taken care of, meaning financial security

And the problem with that in marriage is that it's too vague.

How do you define financial security?

A 100K house? Some women need a 200K house. Other women might want a 500K house and then financial security can devolve into endless greed. 

And some women might never be content with what you're offering. It might never be enough with the Keeping Up With the Joneses that is so prevalent in "proper society".

 

[Lacessit]

1 minute ago, fredwiggy said:

Probably means you think I probably haven't experienced it, but why?  Do you think you're the only one who has been with a tiny girl?  I'm from the US, where metric is used by not like standard. Here metric is  standard, but I still use American standard.

Probably is not the same as certainly.

 

You're from the US, where 50% of the population still believe in angels. Say no more.

 

I still remember having to convert a US emission measurement from grains per cubic foot to milligrams per cubic metre. It had me wondering how on earth your astronauts ever made it to the moon.

[BritManToo]

22 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

If you look at the stats, violence happens all the time, somewhere, just as gun violence happens daily in the US, although I lived there 62 years and never saw any violence. especially with guns, and i sold guns for a living. 

Interesting that you deplore prostitution because someone might get hurt, then sell guns for a living ....... Guns that's only purpose is to hurt people. Did god tell you, guns good, sex bad?

 

From what I remember of your 10 commandments, there was something about thou shalt not kill, but nothing at all about thou shall not pay for sex.

Edited August 21 by BritManToo

[fredwiggy]

2 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

Probably is not the same as certainly.

 

You're from the US, where 50% of the population still believe in angels. Say no more.

 

I still remember having to convert a US emission measurement from grains per cubic foot to milligrams per cubic metre. It had me wondering how on earth your astronauts ever made it to the moon.

You actually know 50% of the US population personally? Our astronauts, and all other technologies, come from America because it's the most advanced country on earth. We learned standard while you learned metric. Neither is wrong. This is because the US is all countries combined and not a single entity, which some prejudiced thinkers assume/

[fredwiggy]

Just now, BritManToo said:

Interesting that you deplore prostitution because someone might get hurt, then sell guns for a living ....... Guns that's only purpose is to hurt people. Did god tell you, guns good, sex bad?

 

From what I remember of your 10 commandments, there was something about thou shalt not kill, but nothing at all about thou shall not pay for sex.

Guns other purposes are hunting target shooting and protecting the innocents, and are why you're living in a country no longer controlled by Japan. If you think God wants us to sit back and be slaughtered , you're sadly mistaken. Terrorists and others who kill for whatever reasons the innocents have only one way out. Extermination. Who said sex is bad? It's how we all got here. Making it dirty, demeaning or dangerous isn't normal behavior.

[jacob29]

10 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

Again, I don't like the trade because it demeans women

 

You believe it demeans women, which means for any woman who chooses this path of her own volition (isn't coerced into it), is lower in your eyes - as she's demeaning herself. This conclusion is inescapable, and reflects poorly on you.

 

10 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

, and is dangerous to them and the damage it does.

 

Not for you to decide for them.

 

10 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

 

looking at woman as objects of pleasure lowers them to many, and this is where the violence comes in . Some go to them for control, thinking because they're paid for, they can do whatever they want.

Or they might look at them as lower, for the same reason you do.

 

10 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

 

If a guy mostly wants sex, find a woman that thinks the same, and not be with one that's looking for more and use her.

 

.. or just pay for it? No need to complicate it.

 

10 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

 

If the girls are working at a bar, they are paying the bar some of the cash.

 

No they are not, they usually keep 100% of the cash - whatever happens outside the bar is none of the bar owners business. Where are you getting your information from??

 

10 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

If they have pimps, they get the most.

Pimps are practically unheard of in the western facing bar scene in Thailand. Again, where is this information coming from?

 

10 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

If you think no ones watching you and those girls, you're mistaken.

You're so far off the mark. When a girl stops work and shacks up with a boyfriend, where is this pimp you imagine exists? Do they take a holiday until the relationship ends?

 

Some girls have Thai boyfriends who leech off them, which shares some similarities, but the Thai boyfriend is typically not at all involved with pimping her out.

 

10 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

 Women are abused daily, and killed, so it happens, and a lot more than you know unless you're involved or talking to them

Happens in dating and marriage as well, so I ask for a second time - why are you singling out paid sex as it relates to these issues? It's not a given the incidence of violence is higher in sex work, though that would be region specific.

[NowNow]

Are you guys still picking on @fredwiggy? Don't let me have to come back on here to sort you out 😊

[Lacessit]

9 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

You actually know 50% of the US population personally? Our astronauts, and all other technologies, come from America because it's the most advanced country on earth. We learned standard while you learned metric. Neither is wrong. This is because the US is all countries combined and not a single entity, which some prejudiced thinkers assume/

No, but I do know Gemini ( AI ) says 7 out 10 Americans believe in angels, according to recent polling. I am posting an underestimate, apparently.

 

Metric is easy to calculate. You guys like to make it hard for yourselves.

 

It's also a bit hard to convince me Americans are logical people. Nevada is the only state where prostitution is legal.

 

At the same time, I can pay a woman to have sex with me anywhere in America. As long as I do it in front of a camera, and sell the resulting video on a porn site.

 

Actually, I prefer to have my d!ck measured in centimeters. It's much more impressive than inches.

[save the frogs]

1 hour ago, fredwiggy said:

A well adjusted woman will not choose sex work. Think of what that means to be well adjusted.

I've dated several crazy women.

That harms your life when you're romantically involved with these women.

If you're lucky, you will date a well-adjusted woman and you yourself are well-adjusted.

But a lot of people who pretend to live normal lives are not that well-adjusted.

My brother beat his kids and would have been better off not getting married and seeing hookers than trying to pretending to be normal and raising a family.

 

Edited August 21 by save the frogs

[scubascuba3]

1 hour ago, fredwiggy said:

i sold guns for a living

You've got blood on your hands, no getting away from that, how embarrassing for you 

[FruitPudding]

6 minutes ago, scubascuba3 said:

You've got blood on your hands, no getting away from that, how embarrassing for you 

 

Guns save lives too

[fredwiggy]

4 minutes ago, scubascuba3 said:

You've got blood on your hands, no getting away from that, how embarrassing for you 

Deer blood, maybe a few hogs, but no human.

[fredwiggy]

20 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

No, but I do know Gemini ( AI ) says 7 out 10 Americans believe in angels, according to recent polling. I am posting an underestimate, apparently.

 

Metric is easy to calculate. You guys like to make it hard for yourselves.

 

It's also a bit hard to convince me Americans are logical people. Nevada is the only state where prostitution is legal.

 

At the same time, I can pay a woman to have sex with me anywhere in America. As long as I do it in front of a camera, and sell the resulting video on a porn site.

 

Actually, I prefer to have my d!ck measured in centimeters. It's much more impressive than inches.

Why calculate if standard works? Who cares who believes in  angels? Do you have proof they don't exist? I have faith,and it's all I need. Las Vegas has prostitution because of their laws there, and the amount of money involved with payoffs, and there it will probably stay.

[fredwiggy]

31 minutes ago, hotandsticky said:

 

 

He has. He sees her once a week and gives her support  money. That makes her a whore by his evaluation.

 

 

I wonder who supports her for the other 6 days each week.

 

 

 

 

My money helps her more than her husband ever did, and in one third the time, along with the fact I don't hit her or try to sell her to one of my friends. Why must some here assume all Thai girls have others in the wings? Insecurity perhaps? Giving a woman makes her a whore? That would mean all husband's wives are whores, along with all girlfriends. Speak for yourself, as you're the one who buys women.

[save the frogs]

7 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

However, it is equally important to address men's demand for prostitution. Acceptance of prostitution is one of a cluster of harmful attitudes that encourage and justify violence against women. Violent behaviors against women have been associated with attitudes that promote men's beliefs that they are entitled to sexual access to women,

to use the term violence is sensationalist propaganda.

 

it's only violence if you physically assault someone. 

 

[hotandsticky]

5 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

Why calculate if standard works? Who cares who believes in  angels? Do you have proof they don't exist? I have faith,and it's all I need. Las Vegas has prostitution because of their laws there, and the amount of money involved with payoffs, and there it will probably stay.

 

 

You can't have proof of non-existence..............you really are losing the plot.

 

 

You will need to provide evidence of existence - which obviously you can't.

[hotandsticky]

9 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

Deer blood, maybe a few hogs, but no human.

 

 

You would never make it as a Buddhist.

[PingRoundTheWorld]

Why do you need an explanation? Benevolent men supporting the local economy in Isaan, countless herds of water buffalo, single mothers and their children and their mothers, and sometimes even gambling-addicted drunk husbands needs no explanation - it's good to give back to the world! Two crisp notes at a time!

 

To be fair though, I don't do short time. It's extra long or it wasn't meant to be.

[fredwiggy]

Just now, hotandsticky said:

 

 

You can't have proof of non-existence..............you really are losing the plot.

 

 

You will need to provide evidence of existence - which obviously you can't.

No, I don't have to prove anything to you. You have free will to decide what you want to do. So do I. This is about prostitution, so keep it on that topic, and read more, talk less, so you can catch up.

[fredwiggy]

Just now, hotandsticky said:

 

 

You would never make it as a Buddhist.

Thank God for that

[FruitPudding]

Each to their own.

 

[fredwiggy]

Just now, bubblegum said:

Same article that you linked to before by a radical feminist who's hardly a reliable source. You say I envy you because you have a girlfriend that you do not have to pay for?????

 

Just between you and me......

 

I have been married with the same lady for the last 25 years and you know what, I pay for her!

 

Yes I pay for everything we have, the car, the house I paid for it. I pay for the daily shopping, I pay for het beaty products, I pay for the cat and dogs food, I pay the electricity and water bill. I even give her mother (my mother in law) a monthly allowance that she can spend on temple stuff and envelopes for funerals an so on. 

 

I paid for most of our cousins University costs, plus her room in Bangkok, food and transport. I paid for her ticket to Japan where she is currently working.

 

My wife on the other hand takes care of everything I can think of be it help with immigration, where to get the best deals, shopping, servicing the car and the list goes on.

 

And after all of this you call my wife a whore ! You and your senile ideas were valid during the dark ages in Europe and let me guess you are an American/puritan who will FFing well save the world!

 

You sir are infarct  a disgrace to the human species, a self appointed Mr. Know it all without any substance. 

I'm thinking you're confusing me with someone else. I never would be a coward and call anyone's wife anything. Never have , never will. In fact, I think it's great you take care of your wife that way, because that's how I am also, including what I did for my ex and her family, who still like me and know she did me wrong.I didn't say you envy me neither. That link is a valid one, it doesn't matter if shes a feminist as long as shes trying to point out what the trade is about. There are many other links saying the same things if you care to look. I posted three.

[DrJack54]

Some posts removed. 

[fredwiggy]

16 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

to use the term violence is sensationalist propaganda.

 

it's only violence if you physically assault someone. 

 

Emotional and mental abuse is also violence.

[jacob29]

42 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

The last post I said I don't look at them as lower than me, so no need to repeat again.

 

Are you saying there is no loss of respect for someone who wilfully engages in demeaning work, work that in your words no normal person would do? Seems odd to call them out as not normal, if they enjoy equal status?

 

42 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

 

You have no idea what they take home unless you go home with them, and even if you did, you don't see them afterwards when they might pay the bar, as again, they and you, are being watched.

I have a very good idea. I know you don't have a source for this, because it's a complete fiction. Why don't you go talk to bar owners - surely you can find one who will spill the beans on how they claw back girls money after they have left the bar.

 

42 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

 

A bar can be the pimp if you haven't realized this, and not just an individual.

The bar is paid a barfine, which at beer bars can be ~500thb. This is a pittance, just how much do you think the girl gets later?

 

I'm not sure what you're trying to get at with this angle, it doesn't come anywhere close to taking most of the girls money - which you stated earlier. It's a small fraction of what she earns. What's more, if she leaves the bar early, that amount may barely cover her salary for the day, which still gets paid, reducing this fraction even further.

 

42 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

I'll make this easier for you by posting the link here.............Take some time to read it and maybe you'll understand a bit more

Sorry I'm not reading this, it lost me at the title, and I highly doubt it brings anything new to the table I haven't heard 100 times before. The industry differs significantly between countries, and you seem to be drawing information from somewhere other than Thailand.

 

I assure you there aren't pimps lurking around ever corner, this is patently absurd. I don't want you or anyone else to take my word on that, I implore you to ask the girls directly about it - as while sure you won't always get straight answers, you cannot claim you will never get straight answers. I've heard stories from girls that are far more personal than what might go on behind the scenes in a bar she used to work at, so don't tell me it's something that is always off limits for discussion.

Edited August 21 by jacob29

[FruitPudding]

Women are shallow in their relationship choices, so I go the other way.