Can you defend yourself?

[georgegeorgia]

The question remains 

 

Can you defend yourself adequately 

 

So we have an 82yo jogger who is attacked at 10pm in a Pattaya park.

We have no information on if he did fight back, perhaps he did 

 

But the question is ,are you confident enough to be able to defend yourself if some drunk grabbed you ?

 

If someone walks past you takes a swing for no reason 

 

Now doesn't matter your size or even your age 

I saw old boxers fight back 

 

Now it doesn't take size to defend yourself 

I once done a Israeli martial art called Krav Maga,the smallest people there seemed to be the best defenders 

 

And I don't care if it's the Philippines,USA or Australia,are you confident enough to be able to fight back ?

Because ain't no one going to help you.

Bystanders won't intervene ,they won't until others do

 

You could be on the street ,in a train , anywhere even in the back of a baht bus .

I was in the Philippines last year , I remember a fit looking elderly man.

 

He said he was a black belt in the Filipino martial arts of KALI 

This is knife 🗡️ fighting and he was a  Master

Now I have no idea if Philippines allows knife and please don't ever ever quote me on it !!!

[Hummin]

I most likely wouldn't walk alone in a park in the night.

 

Well, I have trained Combat sports, been a security, but you ar just as good as you are, until you meet someone faster, stronger and more crazy than yourself.

 

So would I put myself in such a situation because I think I can defend myself? No

[georgegeorgia]

5 minutes ago, Hummin said:

I most likely wouldn't walk alone in a park in the night.

 

Well, I have trained Combat sports, been a security, but you ar just as good as you are, until you meet someone faster, stronger and more crazy than yourself.

 

So would I put myself in such a situation because I think I can defend myself? No

No but you can risk manage sure but you can't prevent it.

 

Ok so your coming through the door of the view talay 2B , I push in front of you 

 

I call you names ,all this wasn't your fault was it ,but now I'm a potential threat to you and believe me there is people out there who have short fuses and anything can set them off 

[SAFETY FIRST]

1 hour ago, georgegeorgia said:

If someone walks past you takes a swing for no reason

This is very rare, scarce, unfeasible, almost impossible. 

 

 I always stay under the radar, keep out of trouble but some people go looking for trouble, it's in their nature, look at some of the members here, even sitting behind their keyboards they want to antagonize, provoking others regularly, going out of their way to interact with hostility, calling people rude, nasty names. 

 

I'm lucky, I have good genes and take care of myself. I'm in good shape, tall, fit, so I probably don't fit the description of a random attack, these people look for the frail etc.

 

It's a strange world, at times I see these frail weak people causing trouble, thinking that they won't get a smack in the mouth but if you annoy someone enough or take on the wrong person you will suffer the consequences. 

 

Bring back the BIFF, some people need a lesson in life. 

 

 

 

[lanng khao]

49 minutes ago, georgegeorgia said:

No but you can risk manage sure but you can't prevent it.

 

Ok so your coming through the door of the view talay 2B , I push in front of you 

 

I call you names ,all this wasn't your fault was it ,but now I'm a potential threat to you and believe me there is people out there who have short fuses and anything can set them off 

Straight away my right hand goes up to apologize saying its my fault sorry,, as I'm saying this my left slips into my pocket and right into my diamond encrusted knuckle duster, goes everywhere with me, even wear it in the bath, 

As im shaking your hand for the 3rd time, Bang,, ive hit you with a left hook breaking your jaw...

[Jeff Reinstad]

 

The problem with defending yourself in public interactions is that usually the person attacking you has nothing to lose, while you have everything to lose.

 

Some random loser in a bar or on the street picks a screaming match with you. He might be overstaying his visa, has just enough money to pay rent for the next week, has no job or career, and if he’s Thai, he could be earning just 250 Baht a day.

 

Meanwhile, you’ve built your entire life. Saving for retirement, making investments, pursuing education, advancing your career, and sending your kids to an expensive school. If he gets arrested, it doesn’t matter to him. If you get arrested, you could lose everything.

 

So usually you keep your head down and walk away, makes you look like a 🐈 in front of everybody. Because you’re not willing to risk losing everything over of some loser.

 

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Defending yourself in a life-or-death situation is, of course, different, but I think there is only a small chance of getting into such a situation.

[FritsSikkink]

1 hour ago, georgegeorgia said:

The question remains 

 

Can you defend yourself adequately 

 

So we have an 82yo jogger who is attacked at 10pm in a Pattaya park.

We have no information on if he did fight back, perhaps he did 

 

But the question is ,are you confident enough to be able to defend yourself if some drunk grabbed you ?

 

If someone walks past you takes a swing for no reason 

 

Now doesn't matter your size or even your age 

I saw old boxers fight back 

 

Now it doesn't take size to defend yourself 

I once done a Israeli martial art called Krav Maga,the smallest people there seemed to be the best defenders 

 

And I don't care if it's the Philippines,USA or Australia,are you confident enough to be able to fight back ?

Because ain't no one going to help you.

Bystanders won't intervene ,they won't until others do

 

You could be on the street ,in a train , anywhere even in the back of a baht bus .

I was in the Philippines last year , I remember a fit looking elderly man.

 

He said he was a black belt in the Filipino martial arts of KALI 

This is knife 🗡️ fighting and he was a  Master

Now I have no idea if Philippines allows knife and please don't ever ever quote me on it !!!

You ignored me, I ask you again: how many fights did you have and how many did you win, MR real man?

[FritsSikkink]

36 minutes ago, SAFETY FIRST said:

This is very rare, scarce, unfeasible, almost impossible. 

 

 I always stay under the radar, keep out of trouble but some people go looking for trouble, it's in their nature, look at some of the members here, even sitting behind their keyboards they want to antagonize, provoking others regularly, going out of their way to interact with hostility, calling people rude, nasty names. 

 

I'm lucky, I have good genes and take care of myself. I'm in good shape, tall, fit, so I probably don't fit the description of a random attack, these people look for the frail etc.

 

It's a strange world, at times I see these frail weak people causing trouble, thinking that they won't get a smack in the mouth but if you annoy someone enough or take on the wrong person you will suffer the consequences. 

 

Bring back the BIFF, some people need a lesson in life. 

 

 

 

If I recall right, you start drinking at 7 in the morning, so taking good care of yourself raises some doubts.

[Hummin]

1 hour ago, georgegeorgia said:

No but you can risk manage sure but you can't prevent it.

 

Ok so your coming through the door of the view talay 2B , I push in front of you 

 

I call you names ,all this wasn't your fault was it ,but now I'm a potential threat to you and believe me there is people out there who have short fuses and anything can set them off 

I useally smile, and back off, or face it, so far no one tried me. 

 

Happened in Fortaleza Brazil, 3 men gave it a second thought in a side street I used as a short cut in the middle of the day, something I was told not to do. I was lucky that day, no consequences, just a heads up, always listening to the locals.

[georgegeorgia]

1 hour ago, lanng khao said:

Straight away my right hand goes up to apologize saying its my fault sorry,, as I'm saying this my left slips into my pocket and right into my diamond encrusted knuckle duster, goes everywhere with me, even wear it in the bath, 

As im shaking your hand for the 3rd time, Bang,, ive hit you with a left hook breaking your jaw...

Do you train or practice though?

 

[georgegeorgia]

2 hours ago, FritsSikkink said:

You ignored me, I ask you again: how many fights did you have and how many did you win, MR real man?

Oh for FFS ,give me a chance to answer ,I'm holding this phone looking at the forum whilst mopping floors ! 

[CharlieH]

Don't kid yourself, 99%;of seniors would be a victim. If you think you are in that 1% good for you and hope it's true and never find out the reality.

 

The best defence is abscence.😉

[georgegeorgia]

2 hours ago, SAFETY FIRST said:

these people look for the frail etc.

I wonder what kind of person could attack frail people though , obviously for a financial gain eg robbery 

 

But I wonder what goes through their mind , but let me say it's not always involving violence 

 

I remember watching a UK crime tv documentary where a man was speaking nice to a elderly lady and his accomplices were stealing her purse from the handbag.

 

The way the man was speaking so nice to the old lady ,even I liked and trusted him ,so psychological what kind of person is he?

 

[georgegeorgia]

5 minutes ago, CharlieH said:

Don't kid yourself, 99%;of seniors would be a victim. If you think you are in that 1% good for you and hope it's true and never find out the reality.

 

The best defence is abscence.😉

Isn't there some kind of "morals" though among thugs though not to attack elderly?

It used to be ,then again I remember old ladies getting their handbag snatched back in the 1980's 

I wonder if those "thugs" today who would be in their 60's & 70's now have any regrets what they did?

[Terrance8812]

A very wise nightclub bouncer friend of mine, who had been forced into many fights with drunk customers over the years, once told me that the best thing to do in a confrontation/fight is run. 
 

He said there is usually damage on both sides of any fight. So the best way to avoid losing something (physically, financially, legally, criminally) is to avoid the fight. 

[SAFETY FIRST]

1 hour ago, georgegeorgia said:

4 hours ago, SAFETY FIRST said:

these people look for the frail etc.

I wonder what kind of person could attack frail people though , obviously for a financial gain eg robbery 

 

But I wonder what goes through their mind , but let me say it's not always involving violence 

 

I remember watching a UK crime tv documentary where a man was speaking nice to a elderly lady and his accomplices were stealing her purse from the handbag.

 

The way the man was speaking so nice to the old lady ,even I liked and trusted him ,so psychological what kind of person is he?

These people are the scum of the earth, the lowest of the low, most having mental health issues and should be put down.

 

 

[SAFETY FIRST]

4 hours ago, FritsSikkink said:

If I recall right, you start drinking at 7 in the morning, so taking good care of yourself raises some doubts.

Oh you are one of those people with selective reading. 

 

I also wrote I enjoyed an early morning drink a couple of times a month, catching up with a few ex co-workers who now work night shift, drink a few beers before going home to their families. 

 

What's your point, are you one of those guys living in Nakhon Nowhere, without friends, only have an annoying wife as company? 

 

[IsaanExpat]

Don't walk around looking like an easy mark. Most perpetrators know the difference between an easy mark and someone who isn't. To quote Mad Eye Moody:"constant vigilance".

Of course, I'm an American, so we're usually armed😅

 

Here in Thailand though, it's just good common sense that keeps you out of trouble. I"ve walked through dark alleys in Bangkok and never felt weary, because it wasn't in those areas that are frequented by those looking to prey on the weak(i.e. Soi Cowboy etc).

[Gandtee]

In my earlier years I boxed and wrestled. Now at nearly 91 I couldn't fight my way out of a wet paper bag after throwing the first couple of punches. But then I don't go anywhere where I'm likely to be attacked. The wife can be a bit threatening at times though. But as she is 75 I think I can handle her.😉

[Lacessit]

Probably not, too old and slow. The best advice I got from my jui-jutsu instructor was - walk away.

 

While I would most probably lose, I might do serious damage. I know all the weak spots.

[cjinchiangrai]

Ultimately, nobody can defend themselves. We have to trust people not to randomly assault us without warning. Sometimes that trust does not work out but there are no practical options to prevent it.

[seajae]

a few years ago now a younger neighbour in his 20's attacked me with a meat cleaver, his large dog had been coming at me when I was out the front of our house working on the garden so I grabbed a stick to chase it off and stop it biting me, Neighbour then came running out of his house with a meat cleaver waving it at me so I had no choice but to do something, luckily I did retain some training from my service days and grabbed his arm and managed to put him on the ground then took the cleaver from him, he settled down and went back in his house with his older brother, He went to the police when his parents came home but another neighbour across the street(retired police) had it all caught on his security camera so we took that to the police station with us. Police did not charge him because they said the stick I had to keep the dog away was also a weapon even though I never threatened him with it and made us shake hands and told him not to do it again and to make sure his dog was kept off the street, police definitely favour their own but self defence was allowed in this case

[OneMoreFarang]

I can't defend myself against anybody who fights regularly.

But then, the last time I wanted to be able to fight was when I was in school. That's already some time ago.

 

Avoiding trouble is the best way to go through life. When I hear stories about anybody getting hurt, it seems they all asked for it or at least they didn't back down.

What's the point of fighting if the alternative is to say "I'm sorry" or pay that bill for 500B which is not fair. Jut pay, walk away, and don't think about it anymore. And I didn't even have any such situation in my whole life.

 

 

[Olmate]

 Your magic carpet meandering continues GG, better take the next left turnoff back onto Reality Freeway, then asap ThaiAirways BKK to MEL.😭

[steven100]

anyone who tries to touch me  .........

 

 

Go ahead   ....   make my day     ! 

 

 

[spidermike007]

9 hours ago, Jeff Reinstad said:

 

The problem with defending yourself in public interactions is that usually the person attacking you has nothing to lose, while you have everything to lose.

 

Some random loser in a bar or on the street picks a screaming match with you. He might be overstaying his visa, has just enough money to pay rent for the next week, has no job or career, and if he’s Thai, he could be earning just 250 Baht a day.

 

Meanwhile, you’ve built your entire life. Saving for retirement, making investments, pursuing education, advancing your career, and sending your kids to an expensive school. If he gets arrested, it doesn’t matter to him. If you get arrested, you could lose everything.

 

So usually you keep your head down and walk away, makes you look like a 🐈 in front of everybody. Because you’re not willing to risk losing everything over of some loser.

 

---

 

Defending yourself in a life-or-death situation is, of course, different, but I think there is only a small chance of getting into such a situation.

This is all very true. More so here, as most Thais will side with another Thai. So if you kick his butt, you lose. And if you get beat up, you lose. 

 

Best to avoid the fight, if possible. And if he is a freak, and is very aggressive, a very fast clip to the side of the throat, or a hard palm punch to the groin or nose, or a heavy kick to the testicle, or either knee, will likely put him down, like the dog he is. Hopefully, you can just walk away, and hope the hospital can do it's work. 

[Gottfrid]

6 hours ago, CharlieH said:

Don't kid yourself, 99%;of seniors would be a victim. If you think you are in that 1% good for you and hope it's true and never find out the reality.

 

The best defence is abscence.😉

Sure, if possible. There are sometimes when there is no out, more than to face up to the assumed danger. When such day appear, there are some thing to think about.

First, training and martial arts can off course help. I have been training all from karate to Brazilian jiujitsu as well as regular street fighting techniques. Sure, knowing such will always give an advantage. However, also a disadvantage for many, as they see themselves as superior to others. That is usually the ones seeking trouble and fights. The two most important things to know is:

 

Always look at an aggressive person as a danger. Actually, being a little bit scared also gives an advantage.

 

Always anticipate, and use your opponents weight and size against him. Actually something all martials arts sports have as a foundation.

[ronster]

Yes as I am John wick's brother ! 🙄

[Presnock]

1 hour ago, spidermike007 said:

This is all very true. More so here, as most Thais will side with another Thai. So if you kick his butt, you lose. And if you get beat up, you lose. 

 

Best to avoid the fight, if possible. And if he is a freak, and is very aggressive, a very fast clip to the side of the throat, or a hard palm punch to the groin or nose, or a heavy kick to the testicle, or either knee, will likely put him down, like the dog he is. Hopefully, you can just walk away, and hope the hospital can do it's work. 

Yeah back in my military days (ancient history) I studied Korean Karate and even taught for many months.  Then I was attacked fm behind me while walking out of a pizza hut - I don't recall the fight at all but it stopped when the managere yelled "stop it".  I had just slammed a guy's face with my knee.  I also was arrested as the three that attacked me were taken to the hospital for treatment.  The police didn't even lock the cell door but asked that I now walk around all the time.  Later they brought the three guys who were taken to the hospital - broken jaw, broken noses, amongst the injuries while all i suffered was bloody clothes from their blood.  I never did remember what I did other than survive.  But, my instructor always told us the best defense was to run away for any threatening situation as fighting was just never the answer.  Since I worried after that instance that I could have permanently injured one of those three or all three.  But the manager of the pizza hut said that they attacked me from behind as I was walking out

 of the restaurant so all charges were dropped against me while the three had to pay over 10K USD for damages to property.  Just saying.

[Freddy42OZ]

11 hours ago, lanng khao said:

Straight away my right hand goes up to apologize saying its my fault sorry,, as I'm saying this my left slips into my pocket and right into my diamond encrusted knuckle duster, goes everywhere with me, even wear it in the bath, 

As im shaking your hand for the 3rd time, Bang,, ive hit you with a left hook breaking your jaw...

 

Nice to know you are a violent person who this hitting someone just because they pushed in front of you is an acceptable reaction.