Springfield, Ohio man reported Haitian migrants snatching geese out of park 2 weeks ago

[riclag]

Ohio man calls cops to report …

 

A Springfield, Ohio, resident on his way to work called 911 to report spotting four Haitian migrants snatching geese near a city park just two weeks ago, according to a newly revealed recording.

 

https://nypost.com/2024/09/11/us-news/springfield-ohio-man-reported-haitian-migrants-snatching-geese/

 

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/2024/09/10/police_audio_report_confirm_haitian_goose-hunting_in_oh_631350.html

Edited September 12 by riclag

[herfiehandbag]

It wasn't a Mr Homer Simpson by any chance?

[mokwit]

Why would Haitians want to leave Haiti? It must be a veritable paradise - all the population are descendants of black slaves and all the Government are black. No structural racism or white privilege to overcome. The sky is the limit as to what Haiti and individual Haitians can achieve.

Edited September 12 by mokwit

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

The source for the above cited NYP report:

 

The Federalist

QUESTIONABLE SOURCE

Overall, we rate The Federalist Questionable and far-Right Biased based on story selection and editorial positions that always favor the right and promotion of propaganda, conspiracy theories, and numerous failed fact checks.

...

On March 26th, 2020, Twitter locked the site’s account for violating its rules against spreading misinformation about the coronavirus.

 

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/the-federalist/

 

And, the RealClearPolitics link above is just a duplicate link to the same report in The Federalist.

 

 

 

 

Edited September 12 by TallGuyJohninBKK

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

No, Haitian migrants aren’t ‘decapitating ducks’ in Springfield, Ohio | Fact check

Our rating: False

Sept. 11, 2024

 

There is no evidence Haitian migrants in Springfield, Ohio, did any such thing. A spokesperson said the city hasn’t had any substantiated reports of ducks being killed, nor have there been any credible reports of other animals, including cats, being harmed.

No evidence of Haitian migrants harming ducks in Ohio city

Multiple officials in Springfield, a city of about 58,000 people in central Ohio, have said there is no evidence of Haitian migrants harming or eating any dogs, cats or other pets. Karen Graves, a spokesperson for the city, told USA TODAY that they “have not received any substantiated reports of duck mutilation.”

 

Jason Via, deputy director of public safety and operations for the Springfield Police Department, told NPR in August that police in the city have heard a variety of unfounded claims about Haitian migrants, and he specifically called out the claim about ducks supposedly being harmed in the city’s parks.

 

(more)

 

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2024/09/11/haitian-migrants-pets-ducks-ohio-fact-check/75177917007/

 

 

 

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

No Evidence Haitian Immigrants Are Eating Ducks, Geese or Pets in Springfield, Ohio

Republican vice presidential candidate JD Vance and a constellation of right-wing influencers elevated a dubious claim.

Sept. 9, 2024

...

In fact, according to the News-Sun, the Springfield Police Department had not received any reports related either to the killing of a cat or the butchering of ducks and geese at the time of this reporting. Springfield Mayor Rob Rue said claims that geese or ducks from parks were being killed and eaten in the town were unsubstantiated.

The Bottom Line

There is no evidence, outside of second- and third-hand social media gossip, to support the notion that Haitian residents of Springfield, Ohio, are eating people's pet cats or their parks' waterfowl. The only alleged evidence in support of the former actually depicts an American in a different city. The alleged evidence of the latter stems from a single picture apparently taken in a different city.

 

For these reasons, and because Springfield officials deny the validity of such reports, the claim is "Unfounded."

 

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/cats-ducks-haitians-springfield/

 

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

Fact Check: No evidence of Haitian immigrants stealing and eating pets in Ohio

By Reuters Fact Check

 

September 11, 2024

...

"In a statement on Tuesday, a Springfield police spokesperson said, "In response to recent rumors alleging criminal activity by the immigrant population in our city, we wish to clarify that there have been no credible reports or specific claims of pets being harmed, injured or abused by individuals within the immigrant community."

...

SPRINGFIELD CLAIMS

Springfield Mayor Rob Rue on Monday said claims of geese or ducks from parks being killed and eaten are unsubstantiated, according to a Springfield News-Sun report.

 

In interviews last month, following claims at a city commission meeting that Haitians were cooking wildlife taken from local parks, a city official said they had not been able to verify any of those reports and described them as "false" and "misleading" information amplified by social media.

 

https://www.reuters.com/fact-check/no-evidence-haitian-immigrants-stealing-eating-pets-ohio-2024-09-10/

 

Edited September 12 by TallGuyJohninBKK

[stoner]

1 hour ago, riclag said:

Ohio man calls cops to report …

 

A Springfield, Ohio, resident on his way to work called 911 to report spotting four Haitian migrants snatching geese near a city park just two weeks ago, according to a newly revealed recording.

 

https://nypost.com/2024/09/11/us-news/springfield-ohio-man-reported-haitian-migrants-snatching-geese/

 

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/2024/09/10/police_audio_report_confirm_haitian_goose-hunting_in_oh_631350.html

 

is there an actual audio clip of the recording ? would help. 

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

Also, since the following photo has been making the rounds on social media sites, it's worth presenting Snopes.com's critique of the photo as unrelated to the various Springfield claims.

 

 

From Snopes:

 

"... this image does not come from Springfield. The photo can be found in a Reddit thread about Columbus, Ohio, and it was posted at least one month earlier than these viral claims. There is no evidence that this individual had any connection to Haiti."

 

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/cats-ducks-haitians-springfield/

 

https://www.reddit.com/r/Columbus/comments/1eebh9o/things_you_see_while_driving_in_cbus/

 

 

[DougieMax]

1 hour ago, mokwit said:

Why would Haitians want to leave Haiti? It must be a veritable paradise - all the population are descendants of black slaves and all the Government are black. No structural racism or white privilege to overcome. The sky is the limit as to what Haiti and individual Haitians can achieve.

Indeed. And no white oppressors to hold them down.

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

Also, FWIW, regarding the OP report here, according to a full transcript of the debate, Trump never even mentioned anything during the debate about ducks when responding to a question about Immigration policy. Instead, he said the following regarding dogs, cats and pets:

 

--------------------------------------------

 

"And look at what's happening to the towns all over the United States. And a lot of towns don't want to talk -- not going to be Aurora or Springfield. A lot of towns don't want to talk about it because they're so embarrassed by it.

 

In Springfield, they're eating the dogs. The people that came in. They're eating the cats. They're eating -- they're eating the pets of the people that live there. And this is what's happening in our country. And it's a shame."

 

DAVID MUIR: I just want to clarify here, you bring up Springfield, Ohio. And ABC News did reach out to the city manager there. He told us there have been no credible reports of specific claims of pets being harmed, injured or abused by individuals within the immigrant community

 

FORMER PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: Well, I’ve seen people on television

 

DAVID MUIR: Let me just say here this ...

 

FORMER PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: The people on television say my dog was taken and used for food. So maybe he said that and maybe that's a good thing to say for a city manager.

 

DAVID MUIR: I’m not taking this from television. I'm taking it from the city manager.

 

FORMER PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: But the people on television say their dog was eaten by the people that went there.

 

DAVID MUIR: Again, the Springfield city manager says there's no evidence of that.

 

FORMER PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: We’ll find out"

 

 

To which the Associated Press later responded in a Fact Check report:

Trump falsely accuses immigrants in Ohio of abducting and eating pets

September 12, 2024

 

COLUMBUS, Ohio (AP) — Former President Donald Trump on Tuesday amplified false rumors that Haitian immigrants in Ohio were abducting and eating pets, repeating during a televised debate the type of inflammatory and anti-immigrant rhetoric he has promoted throughout his campaigns.

 

There is no evidence that Haitian immigrants in an Ohio community are doing that, officials say. But during the debate with Vice President Kamala Harris, Trump specifically mentioned Springfield, Ohio, the town at the center of the claims, saying that immigrants were taking over the city.

...

Officials have said there have been no credible or detailed reports about the claims, even as Trump and his allies use them to amplify racist stereotypes about Black and brown immigrants."

 

https://apnews.com/article/haitian-immigrants-vance-trump-ohio-6e4a47c52b23ae2c802d216369512ca5

 

The AP report also recounts how an entirely unrelated case of a non-immigrant, non-Haitian woman from Canton, Ohio (175 miles away) who was recently charged with killing and eating a cat had been falsely linked to the Haitian immigrant community in social media posts. The woman involved is a native born Ohioan.

 

Just as the Snopes fact check above documented that the widely circulated photo of the black man apparently carrying an animal while walking wasn't from Springfield, Ohio, and there was no indication or evidence he  was Haitian.

 

 

[billd766]

1 hour ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

No Evidence Haitian Immigrants Are Eating Ducks, Geese or Pets in Springfield, Ohio

Republican vice presidential candidate JD Vance and a constellation of right-wing influencers elevated a dubious claim.

Sept. 9, 2024

...

In fact, according to the News-Sun, the Springfield Police Department had not received any reports related either to the killing of a cat or the butchering of ducks and geese at the time of this reporting. Springfield Mayor Rob Rue said claims that geese or ducks from parks were being killed and eaten in the town were unsubstantiated.

The Bottom Line

There is no evidence, outside of second- and third-hand social media gossip, to support the notion that Haitian residents of Springfield, Ohio, are eating people's pet cats or their parks' waterfowl. The only alleged evidence in support of the former actually depicts an American in a different city. The alleged evidence of the latter stems from a single picture apparently taken in a different city.

For these reasons, and because Springfield officials deny the validity of such reports, the claim is "Unfounded."

 

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/cats-ducks-haitians-springfield/

 

When they scrape the barrel and all they can come up with is this lie, you start to realise (if you haven't already ) how desperate team Trump must be.

 

If you think that is sad there are millions of people in the USA and even a few here on AN that actually believe it

 

It must be true, because Trump says so and J D Vance agrees with it.

[maesariang]

3 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

I'm taking it from the city manage

As if the city manager knows everything.

[riclag]

51 minutes ago, stoner said:

 

is there an actual audio clip of the recording ? would help. 

Its inside the NY posts link ,mate

[impulse]

In all the kerfuffle about geese and cats, nobody's discussing how 15-20,000 Haitian migrants ended up in a town of 60,000 people.  According to the mayor and the gub'ner, with no advance warning. 

 

As if any town could survive a 25-33% unplanned increase in population without devastating effects to the infrastructure, traffic, healthcare, and general quality of life.

 

Masterful diversion by the MSM...

 

Edited September 12 by impulse

[retarius]

I wonder how he knew they were Haitians? Were they speaking French? 

[retarius]

2 hours ago, mokwit said:

Why would Haitians want to leave Haiti? It must be a veritable paradise - all the population are descendants of black slaves and all the Government are black. No structural racism or white privilege to overcome. The sky is the limit as to what Haiti and individual Haitians can achieve.

Obviously you know not too much about Haiti. Light skinned Haitians are the privileged class. The darker you are, the less you get. 

[Etaoin Shrdlu]

Cletus Spuckler says

Apu's eating Snowball II

Old man yells at cloud

[Amethyst]

Two posts making unsourced and unsubstantiated claims have been removed, along with an entirely off-topic post for the thread.

 

[Fat is a type of crazy]

10 minutes ago, impulse said:

In all the kerfuffle about geese and cats, nobody's discussing how 15-20,000 Haitian migrants ended up in a town of 60,000 people.  According to the mayor and the gub'ner, with no advance warning. 

 

As if any town could survive a 25-33% unplanned increase in population without devastating effects to the infrastructure, traffic, healthcare, and general quality of life.

 

Masterful diversion by the MSM...

 

If what you say is true and Trump was smarter he would have taken that approach of saying small towns with no resources are growing by x per cent such as this one and talked about migration but because he's a silly duffer he talks about eating pets. 

[riclag]

Just now, retarius said:

I wonder how he knew they were Haitians? Were they speaking French? 

Maybe , just guessing, because the caller is familiar with the inhabitants 

who congregate at parks, corners  and 

fresh air departments in that area.

 

He was on his way to work!

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

Here's the ONE documented case that's surfaced thus far related to Trump's claims, and it has NOTHING to do with Springfield, Haitians or any other immigrants: Per the AP:

 

"An entirely unrelated incident that occurred last month in Canton, Ohio, quickly and erroneously conflated into the [Trump claims] discussion.

 

On Aug. 26, Canton police charged a 27-year-old woman with animal cruelty and disorderly conduct after she “did torture, kill, and eat a cat in a residential area in front (of) multiple people,” according to a police report.

 

But Allexis Ferrell is not Haitian. She was born in Ohio and graduated from Canton’s McKinley High School in 2015, according to public records and newspaper reports." [emphasis added]

 

https://apnews.com/article/haitian-immigrants-vance-trump-ohio-6e4a47c52b23ae2c802d216369512ca5

 

 

[placeholder]

17 minutes ago, impulse said:

In all the kerfuffle about geese and cats, nobody's discussing how 15-20,000 Haitian migrants ended up in a town of 60,000 people.  According to the mayor and the gub'ner, with no advance warning. 

 

As if any town could survive a 25-33% unplanned increase in population without devastating effects to the infrastructure, traffic, healthcare, and general quality of life.

 

Masterful diversion by the MSM...

 

Maybe Springfield should have planned better for the influx of workers that accompanied the expanded manufacturing facilities. It invested millions in creating business parks and other infrastructure to attract business but apparently offered no incentives to build additional housing for new workers.

 

Three companies investing nearly $100 million in Springfield

Three companies that are looking to expand in Springfield say construction on their respective manufacturing facilities — representing nearly $100 million in investments and about1,000 jobs, combined — are scheduled to be complete at various times this fall...

The millions of dollars in new investment in the area and hundreds of new jobs that will crop up as result is seen by local officials as a byproduct of years of hard work to generate more economic development and attract outside interest...

Millions of dollars have also been invested over the decade in the creation of business parks and other infrastructure needed to attract companies and encourage economic growth.

https://archive.ph/uDEaq#selection-943.0-943.60

 

Navistar to Staff Up at Ohio Plant

Navistar is planning to hire up to 350 additional people at its Springfield, Ohio, assembly plant as it increases production this summer.

https://www.ttnews.com/authors/hasan-karim

[riclag]

25 minutes ago, impulse said:

In all the kerfuffle about geese and cats, nobody's discussing how 15-20,000 Haitian migrants ended up in a town of 60,000 people.  According to the mayor and the gub'ner, with no advance warning. 

 

As if any town could survive a 25-33% unplanned increase in population without devastating effects to the infrastructure, traffic, healthcare, and general quality of life.

 

Masterful diversion by the MSM...

 

  To your point :
 

Ohio Gov. Mike DeWine is sending troopers, $2.5M to Springfield — city facing surge of Haitian migrants

 

On Monday, Republican Ohio Attorney General Dave Yost also drew attention to the crisis when he directed his office to research legal avenues — including filing a lawsuit — to stop the federal government from sending “an unlimited number of migrants to Ohio communities.”

 

https://nypost.com/2024/09/11/us-news/ohio-gov-mike-dewine-is-sending-troopers-2-5m-to-springfield-city-facing-surge-of-haitian-migrants/

[Amethyst]

County: No evidence of August claim that Haitians took geese at Springfield park

Clark County officials say that was only call to the dispatch center on this subject in 11 months; add that law enforcement and ODNR found no evidence

 

Clark County officials said Wednesday morning that they cannot substantiate a new claim alleging Haitian immigrants were killing and/or eating wildlife.

...

A “call detail report” from the Clark County Communications Center documents that call. It does not indicate that law enforcement officials ever found the geese, or found the four Haitians that the caller mentioned, to confirm the truth of the report. It says law enforcement eventually suggested the caller contact the Ohio Department of Natural Resources.

 

Clark County Commissioner Sasha Rittenhouse said Wednesday morning that the Ohio Department of Natural Resources was unable to find any merit to the claim.

...

Clark County Sheriff’s Office Major Scott Cultice said at Wednesday’s meeting that he and another employee at the Clark County Combined Dispatch Center went through 11 months of call records Tuesday to check for reports on these matters, and the Aug. 26 call was the only one he was able to verify that had been made.

 

(more)

 

https://www.springfieldnewssun.com/news/county-no-evidence-of-august-claim-that-haitians-took-geese-at-springfield-park/NFRGJNURHREGHB32HBC6UKZJWQ/

 

 

Just for clarity purposes, the prior comments in this thread from Springfield officials saying they had received no such reports came from the Springfield city government and city police department. The above report involves the Clark County government and Sheriff's Office.  Clark County includes the city of Springfield.

 

 

[riclag]

The attorney General of ohio makes reference to the news

 

Citizens testified to City Council. These people would be competent witnesses in court. Why does the media find a carefully worded City Hall press release better evidence?”

 

https://fox28savannah.com/news/nation-world/ohio-ag-knocks-media-over-springfield-animal-hunting-claims-attorney-general-dave-yost-columbus-clark-county-canton-migrants-haitian-haiti-cats-dogs-geese

Edited September 12 by riclag

[Mason45]

Geese would be a better choice on the dinner table than the cats and dogs that Donald Trump suggested were being eaten by the illegals.

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

5 minutes ago, riclag said:

The attorney General of ohio makes reference to the news

 

Citizens testified to City Council. These people would be competent witnesses in court. Why does the media find a carefully worded City Hall press release better evidence?”

 

https://fox28savannah.com/news/nation-world/ohio-ag-knocks-media-over-springfield-animal-hunting-claims-attorney-general-dave-yost-columbus-clark-county-canton-migrants-haitian-haiti-cats-dogs-geese

 

Yost is a 2020 presidential election Republican partisan. Take his credibility and objectivity for what it's worth.

 

"During his tenure as Attorney General, he supported attempts to overturn the 2020 presidential election, which was won by Joe Biden.

...

Attempt to invalidate 2020 presidential election results

After Joe Biden won the 2020 presidential election, Yost filed a "friend-of-the-court" brief in support of the Trump campaign's attempt to invalidate ballots cast in Pennsylvania."

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dave_Yost

 

 

 

 

 

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

Meanwhile, Ohio Republican Gov. Mike DeWine doesn't seem to think  ill of the Haitian community there. Per the Associated Press:

 

"Gov. Mike DeWine, R-Ohio, held a news conference Tuesday to address the influx of Haitian immigrants to Springfield. He said he will send state troopers to Springfield to help local law enforcement deal with traffic issues and is earmarking $2.5 million over two years to provide more primary health care to immigrant families.

 

DeWine declined to address the [animal] allegations, deferring comment to local officials. But he repeatedly spoke in support of the people of Haiti, where his family has long operated a charity."

 

https://apnews.com/article/haitian-immigrants-vance-trump-ohio-6e4a47c52b23ae2c802d216369512ca5

 

But, he's also rebuffed Trump's claims in a different news report:

Ohio Gov. Mike DeWine pushes back on fake migrant story amplified by Trump: "The internet can be quite crazy"

September 11, 2024

 

Washington — Ohio Gov. Mike DeWine, a Republican, distanced himself from former President Donald Trump's false claim that Haitian immigrants in Springfield are eating people's pets. 

 

"This is something that came up on the internet, and the internet can be quite crazy sometimes," DeWine told CBS News' chief Washington correspondent Major Garrett on Wednesday. 

 

DeWine said he trusts city officials, who have said they have not received any credible reports of such conduct. 

 

(more)

 

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/mike-dewine-haitian-migrants-pets-springfield-trump/

 

 

 

Edited September 12 by TallGuyJohninBKK

[KhunLA]

We did that one time for Thanksgiving.  Big mistake, well, eating the goose.  Nice for all the other geese, as it was an old 'bully' goose, and too dominating at the pond.   But, emphasis on 'old'.   Toughest old bird I've ever eaten ... no wonder I like munching on birds much younger  ...  😁