Breaking an Engagement to a Thai woman, does she keep the ring?

[Rhys]

Just checking in here, according to the www, the ring should be returned as it is not a gift but a condition for a future event.. Western thinking...  Now does this apply to Thai culture?    If she does not return the ring is it SOL?    

 

 

[Tropicalevo]

My personal belief is that an engagement ring is gifted. There were no conditions applied at the time.

[Pattaya57]

Isn't it standard that if guy breaks off engagement she can keep the ring.  If she breaks off engagement then she should at least offer to give it back (my ex offered ring back & I told her to stick it up her arse)

 

[Celsius]

Are you asking for a friend?

[scubascuba3]

Obviously let her keep the ring

[OneMoreFarang]

If you promised to marry her, and then you change your mind, be happy if you can just walk away.

Let her keep whatever she got from you already.

I wouldn't be surprised if she demands a big compensation. 

[Hummin]

21 minutes ago, Rhys said:

Just checking in here, according to the www, the ring should be returned as it is not a gift but a condition for a future event.. Western thinking...  Now does this apply to Thai culture?    If she does not return the ring is it SOL?    

 

 

Seriously, you going to claim the ring back? 

 

Lesson learned, buy a cheaper ring next time

[proton]

ffs a ring? just think yourself lucky to have escaped the sinsot and paying for people you don't know to eat and drink themselves silly. You put down a non returnable deposit on her.

[Hummin]

29 minutes ago, Rhys said:

Just checking in here, according to the www, the ring should be returned as it is not a gift but a condition for a future event.. Western thinking...  Now does this apply to Thai culture?    If she does not return the ring is it SOL?    

 

 

nope, not a western thinking

[2baht]

 Don't forget to pay the severance when you leave and just give her the ring! 

[cjinchiangrai]

Thais do not do engagement rings so there is no convention on it. The diamond part is a huge fraud.

 

If she cancels she should return the ring. If he cancels, he may have bigger issues to deal with.

[SAFETY FIRST]

49 minutes ago, Rhys said:

Just checking in here, according to the www, the ring should be returned as it is not a gift but a condition for a future event.. Western thinking...  Now does this apply to Thai culture?    If she does not return the ring is it SOL?    

 

 

Do tell, what went wrong, what did she do? 

 

[StandardIssue]

If you don't do the right thing the local marriage police will surely be making a visit and you will suffer the consequences!

 

Be forewarned!

 

 

[mokwit]

24 minutes ago, proton said:

ffs a ring? just think yourself lucky to have escaped the sinsot and paying for people you don't know to eat and drink themselves silly. You put down a non returnable deposit on her.

Or if HiSo the family coming 'round to make it quite clear that if you sampled the goods in advance you have to marry her.

[worgeordie]

Try getting it back off her .....and report back 

 

regards Worgeordie

[Bill97]

She should keep it and you are very low to think about getting it back.

[rocketboy2]

You gave it to her, end of.

now move on.

[Gecko123]

I'm not 100% sure about this, so mark this down as just my opinion, but...

 

I'm pretty sure that if sin sod is exchanged and the marriage never takes place then there is a legal obligation to return the sin sod that was paid.

 

Regarding the engagement ring, if the engagement is called off, I think a lot would depend on who is calling off the engagement. If it's the guy, probably best to walk away unless there are special circumstances (extremely expense, family heirloom). If it's the girl, morally, even in Thai culture, I would say she has an obligation to return the ring. Legally, however, proving whether it was an "engagement gift" or just a "gift" might get a little dicey, and if no sin sod was paid to the parents, probably best to walk away and count your blessings that you dodged a bullet.

[simon43]

1 hour ago, Pattaya57 said:

Isn't it standard that if guy breaks off engagement she can keep the ring.  If she breaks off engagement then she should at least offer to give it back (my ex offered ring back & I told her to stick it up her arse)

 

Now I know where 'anus rings' come from....

[novacova]

1 hour ago, Rhys said:

Just checking in here, according to the www, the ring should be returned as it is not a gift but a condition for a future event.. Western thinking...  Now does this apply to Thai culture?    If she does not return the ring is it SOL?    

 

 

Let her keep it and move on with your life  already 

[Utalk2mutt]

Happened to me about 9 years ago after she cheated. Couldn’t wait to see the back of her or the damn ring to be honest. I view it as very lucky escape…next!!!

[BangkokReady]

Do they even use engagement rings normally in Thailand?

[RSD1]

This is a windup. But who even cares. The whole topic seems pretty petty to me. When a relationship ends then just move on and don't sweat the small stuff.

[KhunLA]

Engagement ring in Thailand ... 

[richard_smith237]

 

52 minutes ago, BangkokReady said:

Do they even use engagement rings normally in Thailand?

 

That was my thoughts on this..  A lot personal anecdote is going to be involved as traditions and modernisation comes into this... But, I always understood that Marriages in Thailand work slightly differently than in the west from the ceremonial and engagement point of view. 

 

i.e. The Ring (engagement) is not usually part of the process... Its straight to the Wedding Ceremony and there 'maybe' an engagement ceremony on the same day early in the morning etc.

 

When we were married, we omitted the 'early morning' stuff as I didn't want my Wife to be exhausted by mid evening (middle of the evening ceremony). 

 

Thus: We had a Midday thing at her house, then off to the hotel. 

Then a 'smaller engagement ceremony' at the hotel at about 5pm, at which point both an engagement ring and wedding ring went on.

Then into the evening Wedding Party....

 

Thus from personal anecdote, the engagement ring was only given on the actual wedding day... Even though the wedding had been planned for over 6 months, we never entered a an engaged phase where my Wife was my  'fiancé'... 

 

[BangkokReady]

2 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

A lot personal anecdote is going to be involved as traditions and modernisation comes into this...

 

Unfortunately, some less scrupulous women can try to get the best of both worlds.  Anything they can get from Western traditions, plus what they can get from their own.

 

I've even seen posts on Facebook where women defend sin sod while trying to make out they're modern progressive feminist types.  My response would be something like:  "Oh, you like the tradition where the man gives you money, but you don't like the tradition where the woman cooks and cleans?  How surprising!"

[jippytum]

You can legally apply for compensation for property bought in your Thai girlfriend's name under the promise of marriage  that was purchased   with your funds. 

 In the legal calculation of assets the cost of the ring may be included. 

This would certainly apply if deceit of the recipient was proven. 

[Kinok Farang]

She gets to keep the ring but she would be sure to give you back all the money you have lavished on her.

[Kinok Farang]

13 hours ago, Pattaya57 said:

Isn't it standard that if guy breaks off engagement she can keep the ring.  If she breaks off engagement then she should at least offer to give it back (my ex offered ring back & I told her to stick it up her arse)

 

And did you ever stick it up her arse?

[Theforgotten1]

14 hours ago, Pattaya57 said:

Isn't it standard that if guy breaks off engagement she can keep the ring.  If she breaks off engagement then she should at least offer to give it back (my ex offered ring back & I told her to stick it up her arse)

 

My mate met your ex , he had to have the ring cut off