Drunk Crashes Into Motorcycle, Killing Two 14-Year-Old Girls in Tragic Wrong-Way Collision

[Liverpool Lou]

5 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

13 minutes ago, Liverpool Lou said:

When the government provides the police service and individual stations with sufficient budget and equipment only then will the officers be able to get out and do the job so many posters complain about them not doing.

 

Valid point - and it leads to the deeper discussion of taxation and public funds.

 

But, as graft is so systemic, even if police offers receive competetive salaries, will graft ever disappear ?... 

I wasn't referring to graft or salaries, I was pointing out that the reason there are no police patrols that could pick up the offenders and maybe make the roads a little safer is because the police stations are not provided with the equipment with which to do it.

[richard_smith237]

Just now, Liverpool Lou said:

I wasn't referring to graft or salaries, I was pointing out that the reason there are no police patrols that could pick up the offenders and maybe make the roads a little safer is because the police stations are not provided with the equipment with which to do it.

Nothing to do with apathy ? 
 

Sitting in an AC box while MC after MC jumps a red light - what more equipment is needed for that & many other aspects of policing the roads ?

 

The police all have motorcycles but we never see them pulling over vehicles for driving dangerously etc

[MalcolmB]

4 hours ago, Liverpool Lou said:

The position of the pickup in the photo is likely irrelevant, it could well have been parked there at the side of the road after, and away from, the impact, not to mention the results of kinetic energy -  vehicles rarely stop dead, pointing the same way as before the impact, after an impact at speed.

Ok then, we will ignore what the report actually said and the photographic evidence because you want to argue as usual.

[BangkokReady]

30 minutes ago, MalcolmB said:

5 hours ago, Liverpool Lou said:

The position of the pickup in the photo is likely irrelevant, it could well have been parked there at the side of the road after, and away from, the impact, not to mention the results of kinetic energy -  vehicles rarely stop dead, pointing the same way as before the impact, after an impact at speed.

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Ok then, we will ignore what the report actually said and the photographic evidence because you want to argue as usual.

 

Two trolls trolling each other. 😵‍💫

 

It's like two AI chat bots having a conversation... 🙄

[it is what it is]

8 hours ago, Tropicalevo said:

Why the victim blaming?

Maybe the parents did not know?

The fault here is 100% the drunk driver.

 

true, my parents had no idea of about 90% of the stuff i got up to when i was a teenager. more effective policing and enforcement of existing legislation would go someway to changing what is a dreadful behavioral cultural on thai roads, and i include foreigners as well as locals in this.

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[0ffshore360]

9 hours ago, proton said:

Why don't they teach road safety and how to ride bikes for the older kids in schools? Far more use than a lot of the nonsense their heads get filled with.

Being taught road safety to school kids and how to ride bikes somehow absolves drunk drivers going the wrong direction on a roadway?

 

[BangkokReady]

1 hour ago, 0ffshore360 said:

Being taught road safety to school kids and how to ride bikes somehow absolves drunk drivers going the wrong direction on a roadway?

 

Presumably neither of them were wearing helmets, but if they were, they might not have died.  If they had decent education on safety at school, they might have worn helmets.  I'm not sure how that can't be seen as a positive thing.  🤷‍♂️

[theblether]

Scooters are a poverty indicator, a thing that most farangs fail to recognise. My first question here was why are two 14 year olds on the road at 5am? Were they coming home from a party, were they heading for a morning market to help out their family - I don't know. Where they drunk? I don't know. But there certainly was another poverty indicator here - they ran out of fuel. 

 

Like any parent I wince when I see the age of kids on motorcycles in Thailand, but unlike the sanctimonious brigade of farangs, I know it's all down to poverty and a shocking lack of public transport alternatives.  

 

Anyway, I'm sorry for this tragic loss of life. 

[watchcat]

22 hours ago, Georgealbert said:

The crash early in the morning , claimed the lives of two 14-year-old girls

 

They shoudn't be driving, underage,  And death penalty for the Vigo driver.

[hotchilli]

On 10/6/2024 at 5:33 AM, Georgealbert said:

Adding to the tragedy, Noppadol reported hearing the driver of the truck, Mr. Sitthichai (surname withheld), 35, say, “Serves them right for driving the wrong way,” shortly after the crash.

 

Sitthichai later claimed he did not remember the details of the crash, stating he had just finished working at a beer event in the Ratchapruek area and had not slept for two days. He admitted to drinking two bottles of beer but was unsure whether he had fallen asleep while driving

Two counts of manslaughter...  teach the monster a lesson he won't forget.

[Presnock]

20 hours ago, mdr224 said:

Comparing thailands road safety with any western country, youre just reaching for something to disagree with

The problem here is that 80% or so of the road deaths are motorcycle riders - total road deaths are 24K.  And if I am not mistaken, motorcyclists are not required to have insurance so the police normally just charge any other vehicle that hits the motorcycle.

[rocketboy2]

42 minutes ago, Presnock said:

The problem here is that 80% or so of the road deaths are motorcycle riders - total road deaths are 24K.  And if I am not mistaken, motorcyclists are not required to have insurance so the police normally just charge any other vehicle that hits the motorcycle.

 

All cars and bikes must have Government insurance. 

but many don't bother.

 

Edited 2 hours ago by rocketboy2

[BangkokReady]

11 hours ago, theblether said:

but unlike the sanctimonious brigade of farangs, I know it's all down to poverty and a shocking lack of public transport alternatives.

 

How could you possibly know that?  It's just as likely that they were in this position because they went out to see their friends and forgot to get gas, while their parents didn't care to know what they were up to.

 

Your comment is, ironically, very sanctimonious also.  🙄

[KhunBENQ]

20 hours ago, MalcolmB said:

Take a look at the photo.

Pick up clearly on the wrong side of the road.

No wonder you struggle.

And it's a divided(!) highway (3215).

So all lanes in the photo go one direction.

Bet this drunk scum turned into the road wrong way and the poor kids were the unlucky first.

Otherwise it could have been a truck to truck collision.

119 mg (1.19 per mille).

There is absolutely no need to blame the victims!

 

 

Edited 2 hours ago by KhunBENQ

[Classic Ray]

Since Covid and the explosion in Grab etc delivery services, there has been a massive rise in motorcyclists riding the wrong way, through red lights and weaving in and out of lanes. Police ignore this behaviour.

 

This has translated into the behaviour of the majority of motorcyclists. No wonder they get crushed and die. I would not be surprised if these girls were riding against traffic, but it’s still the drunk driver’s fault. 

[Andre0720]

The 'culture' in Thailand is to blame.

This culture is taking its toll, time and time again, and no action is taken at any level to curb it...

[KhunBENQ]

13 minutes ago, Classic Ray said:

Since Covid and the explosion in Grab etc delivery services, there has been a massive rise in motorcyclists riding the wrong way, through red lights and weaving in and out of lanes. Police ignore this behaviour.

 

This has translated into the behaviour of the majority of motorcyclists. No wonder they get crushed and die. I would not be surprised if these girls were riding against traffic, but it’s still the drunk driver’s fault. 

Your ignorance is hard to beat. Some unrelated comments about delivery riders and repeating the nonsense about the girls riding wrong way.

THEY WERE NOT!

Post above yours too much to read?

 

[Presnock]

48 minutes ago, rocketboy2 said:

 

All cars and bikes must have Government insurance. 

but many don't bother.

 

Yeah the 3rd party compulsary insurance

[rocketboy2]

29 minutes ago, Classic Ray said:

Since Covid and the explosion in Grab etc delivery services, there has been a massive rise in motorcyclists riding the wrong way, through red lights and weaving in and out of lanes. Police ignore this behaviour.

 

Unfortunately the Police,  do all what you listed themselves.

Most Police are a disgrace to the uniform they wear.

 

[bendejo]

Death in automobile rate:

13 people per 100,000 in the US

32 people per 100,000 in LOS

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_traffic-related_death_rate

 

 

[john donson]

victim blaming, very pathetic losers only

[ronster]

Irrelevant as it is , but why are 2 fourteen year old girls out at 4/5am in the morning ?

As for the driver jail him for 10 years plus. Saying he had 2 beers , 2 beers don't make you almost 4 times over the limit to drive !!

[FruitPudding]

22 hours ago, MalcolmB said:

Not at all. 
The accident was not caused by the girls, they could have been 40 years old and they still would have been ploughed down by the speeding driver going the wrong way.

It could have been you, it could have been me. 
 

 

But it couldn't have been a child with responsible parents who wouldn't let their child zoom around on the bike underage, unlicensed, and without a helmet.

 

22 hours ago, MalcolmB said:

Many 14 year old girls are sensible and responsible,

 

Many parents are sensible and responsible too, just not in this country.

 

22 hours ago, MalcolmB said:

unlike the speeding 66 year old Brit who killed himself on the bike in Pattaya last night.

Are you going to blame his parents?

 

He isn't a child. His parents aren't obligated to be responsible for him.

 

Are you retarded?

[Presnock]

23 minutes ago, bendejo said:

Death in automobile rate:

13 people per 100,000 in the US

32 people per 100,000 in LOS

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_traffic-related_death_rate

 

 

stat for kids after that horrible bus crash  for the last 10 years, 1/3 of deaths of kids is on the road in Thailand, listed over 26K

[kingstonkid]

On 10/6/2024 at 9:25 AM, Tropicalevo said:

Why the victim blaming?

Maybe the parents did not know?

The fault here is 100% the drunk driver.

The driver is definitley at fault for the deaths.

 

I think what op is talking about is simply these questions

 

What were 2 14 year old girls doing out at that hour or the night?

Why were they not at least wearing helmets. (I agree probably woud not have helped BUT)

Why are Thais not mandated to get drivers lilcenses and real traiing.  Thai education talks a lot abut getting kids ready for theworld.  maybe running a nike course and teaching the kids the rules wouod not be a bad idea.

 

Again I am not taking way frmt eh driver of the trucks responsibilty BUT would you let your son or daughter drive a motor bike in any of the major cities at that hour of the night.

[seajae]

12 hours ago, theblether said:

Scooters are a poverty indicator, a thing that most farangs fail to recognise. My first question here was why are two 14 year olds on the road at 5am? Were they coming home from a party, were they heading for a morning market to help out their family - I don't know. Where they drunk? I don't know. But there certainly was another poverty indicator here - they ran out of fuel. 

 

Like any parent I wince when I see the age of kids on motorcycles in Thailand, but unlike the sanctimonious brigade of farangs, I know it's all down to poverty and a shocking lack of public transport alternatives.  

 

Anyway, I'm sorry for this tragic loss of life. 

when I was their age I would ride my push bike everywhere and at early hours of the morning to do a paper run, would ride several miles to do it as well as to go to school all on my bike. Thai kids dont ride push bikes because they are too lazy, scooters/motor bikes are easier and more fun for them, you only have to look at how thais will double park/park on the wrong side of the road to see they are to lazy too walk more than they have too, kids pick it up from their parents. If they rode push bikes there would be a lot less road deaths  and hooning, this has nothing to do with poverty, it does with older families but the kids dont want to have to do anything physical plus the parents dont care

 

[TroubleandGrumpy]

21 hours ago, Liverpool Lou said:

I wasn't referring to graft or salaries, I was pointing out that the reason there are no police patrols that could pick up the offenders and maybe make the roads a little safer is because the police stations are not provided with the equipment with which to do it.

The fact that the only responses you have got is laughing emojis shows how ignorant so many Expats are about how things work in Thailand. You are correct - the Police have to pay for their travel and guns - they do not get given cars to patrol the roads. That is why they will gladly accept a few hundred baht cash via the passenger window to get off for a minor infraction.

 

IMO they should introduce a separate National Traffic Police Division - with new uniforms and all cars/bikes provided. This current practice whereby they stop all the traffic on a highway to inspect registration and licence, is because they dont have the resources to patrol the roads. I certainly do not want the Nazi like approach in Aust whereby there are speed cameras hidden behind bushes and nasty pig-headed cops everywhere - but a little more visible policing would be useful here.  

[TroubleandGrumpy]

29 minutes ago, seajae said:

when I was their age I would ride my push bike everywhere and at early hours of the morning to do a paper run, would ride several miles to do it as well as to go to school all on my bike. Thai kids dont ride push bikes because they are too lazy, scooters/motor bikes are easier and more fun for them, you only have to look at how thais will double park/park on the wrong side of the road to see they are to lazy too walk more than they have too, kids pick it up from their parents. If they rode push bikes there would be a lot less road deaths  and hooning, this has nothing to do with poverty, it does with older families but the kids dont want to have to do anything physical plus the parents dont care

 

I can see what you are saying might make a difference - but I think the heat/humidity here and the long distances for many kids, would make that not a great solution. Plus from what I have seen, the majority of deaths/accidents are not the rider's fault - like in this one.  If I could do one thing, it would be to make them all wear helmets - the laws are there, but policing is just not done as we know. I used to think costs were the problem - but that is BS - they spend more money on a phone than what a helmet would cost.