53 minutes ago, garygooner said:

If you don't have a Thai TIN do you have to check yes to another country? What if you don't have a tax ID no for another country also? 

Would you now have to write your reason for not having a Thai TIN or another country's TIN? 🤔

If you haven't got a Thai TIN and don't write another country down then obviously that means you need to pay tax somewhere, but Kasikorn may do nothing about it, or pass that info on

3 hours ago, scubascuba3 said:

I went to Kasikorn Pattaya Klang today, completed the required parts of the forms, first three boxes saying not US citizen. Then next form says tax resident Thailand? if not which country, i gave UK address and tax number. Can't see the point in giving NI number or fake number.

 

They aren't interested and don't ask about how long in Thailand and all that, irrelevant for this form filling

Why did you give a UK address when living here....is there some advantage in this ? and where can I find my UK tax number from...or do you mean your tax coding number.......

4 hours ago, scubascuba3 said:

Then next form says tax resident Thailand? if not which country, i gave UK address and tax number. Can't see the point in giving NI number or fake number.

 

My reading of that is that you have just signed and dated a form stating that you are not a Tax Resident of Thailand.

 

Might be a bit of a problem if you have spent 180 days or over in Thailand in 2024.

10 minutes ago, petermik said:

Why did you give a UK address when living here....is there some advantage in this ? and where can I find my UK tax number from...or do you mean your tax coding number.......

if living here over 180 days then it sounds like additional tax is likely, if under 180 then not, i complete a UK tax return every year so my tax number is on there. You'll have one if get a UK pension

3 minutes ago, The Cyclist said:

 

My reading of that is that you have just signed and dated a form stating that you are not a Tax Resident of Thailand.

 

Might be a bit of a problem if you have spent 180 days or over in Thailand in 2024.

no problem, it's for the future years too where I'll be staying less than 180 days, this is just one bank

Went to Kbank Blupot Hua Hin all that was required was NI number, post code and passport

 

I took a timed photo of the lady that did me form all finish in about 10 minutes 

6 minutes ago, scubascuba3 said:

no problem, it's for the future years too where I'll be staying less than 180 days, this is just one bank

 

Fairy Nuff

22 minutes ago, scubascuba3 said:

if living here over 180 days then it sounds like additional tax is likely, if under 180 then not, i complete a UK tax return every year so my tax number is on there. You'll have one if get a UK pension

Tax number applies to self employed or someone setting up a company....my only reference is my NI number????

16 minutes ago, petermik said:

Tax number applies to self employed or someone setting up a company....my only reference is my NI number????

 

Yes, just use the NI number if you don't have or know the other one. Others have used it and it worked.

1 hour ago, garygooner said:

If you don't have a Thai TIN do you have to check yes to another country? What if you don't have a tax ID no for another country also? 

Would you now have to write your reason for not having a Thai TIN or another country's TIN? 🤔

 

Well I'm currently living in Cambodia for slightly over half a year which will technically make me a resident here.

 

They're not in the 'CRS club' down here and I don't have a tax id as I don't work here, own a company, etc, etc

 

Also they don't just hand them out on demand, not yet anyway. But you do need one if you get a job which I have no intention of doing.

So in the event my bank contacts me I will write resident in Cambodia, with no tax id. The second they see the word Cambodia they're going to know that the CRS system doesn't exist in Cambodia. Or if they don't know it (highly likely) then their computer will.

 

For the UK:

If you have ever been self-employed or completed a self-assessment tax return, you would have been issued a UTR. (Unique Tax Reference) number. This can be found on the HMRC app or Gov. Gateway website. This is the UK version of a TIN. 

10 minutes ago, Madgee said:

For the UK:

If you have ever been self-employed or completed a self-assessment tax return, you would have been issued a UTR. (Unique Tax Reference) number. This can be found on the HMRC app or Gov. Gateway website. This is the UK version of a TIN. 

 

This is what I will be supplying when I send the form back on 19th December.

 

If this is about declaring you are a Thai tax resident or not, it sounds kind of daft as that can change year to year. 

42 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

If this is about declaring you are a Thai tax resident or not, it sounds kind of daft as that can change year to year. 

 

No

 

This is about setting up the parameters for individuals relating to CRS.

 

Under CRS, Tax residency needs to be established.

 

Gone are the days of earning in 1 Country and pretending to be a resident of another Country to avoid paying tax.

I went to a branch today with the email and my passport (non-U.S.). The lady at the counter checked something on the computer and then printed out the first form. Without filling out anything, she asked me to sign my name. After that, she said, “All done.”

19 minutes ago, John Satoshin said:

I went to a branch today with the email and my passport (non-U.S.). The lady at the counter checked something on the computer and then printed out the first form. Without filling out anything, she asked me to sign my name. After that, she said, “All done.”

 

Seems like there was a lot of panic about nothing!

So as usual confusion reigns different kbank branches handling this differently.If you are tax resident in Thailand but have been denied a TIN until next year as some have surely you can't just say you are tax resident in your home country and start giving out N I numbers without lying?The whole form is badly worded I don't have any taxable income in Thailand because I don't have a job here which would be prohibited under my visa anyway.I can see another visit to a kbank branch looming as my certification may well be wrong even though I did exactly as directed..nothing is straightforward here anymore.

44 minutes ago, John Satoshin said:

I went to a branch today with the email and my passport (non-U.S.). The lady at the counter checked something on the computer and then printed out the first form. Without filling out anything, she asked me to sign my name. After that, she said, “All done.”

 

   Do you know what you signed ?

1 hour ago, The Cyclist said:

 

No

 

This is about setting up the parameters for individuals relating to CRS.

 

Under CRS, Tax residency needs to be established.

 

Gone are the days of earning in 1 Country and pretending to be a resident of another Country to avoid paying tax.

You totally missed my point.

9 hours ago, petermik said:

Tax number applies to self employed or someone setting up a company....my only reference is my NI number????

you'll have a tax number but you just don't know it

9 hours ago, ukrules said:

 

Yes, just use the NI number if you don't have or know the other one. Others have used it and it worked.

Kasikorn will accept any number they aren't checking it, but later someone may 

10 minutes ago, scubascuba3 said:

Kasikorn will accept any number they aren't checking it, but later someone may 

 

Not a problem, the UK tax people know exactly what an NI number is

7 hours ago, John Satoshin said:

I went to a branch today with the email and my passport (non-U.S.). The lady at the counter checked something on the computer and then printed out the first form. Without filling out anything, she asked me to sign my name. After that, she said, “All done.”

It's likely there will be a lot of incomplete data when/if Kasikorn assess what they've got

9 hours ago, Jingthing said:

If this is about declaring you are a Thai tax resident or not, it sounds kind of daft as that can change year to year. 

Plus at what point in the year is that determined, theoretically, they may not be known for certain until the last week of December, in some cases. Perhaps this is merely the establishing the CRS baseline?

A name calling troll post has been removed.

 

@Bigstef discuss the topic and stop the pointless adolescent abuse or accept a time out.

9 hours ago, John Satoshin said:

I went to a branch today with the email and my passport (non-U.S.). The lady at the counter checked something on the computer and then printed out the first form. Without filling out anything, she asked me to sign my name. After that, she said, “All done.”

 

You signed a 'blank' form?

 

Interesting (if you did).

20 minutes ago, NanLaew said:

 

You signed a 'blank' form?

 

Interesting (if you did).

Not uncommon, the bank staff will complete the form in Thai which most people can't read anyway

9 hours ago, Jingthing said:

You totally missed my point.

 

I didn't.

 

I gave you the answer here

 

11 hours ago, The Cyclist said:

This is about setting up the parameters for individuals relating to CRS.

 

Under CRS, Tax residency needs to be established.

 

You do not have to be a tax residentnof Thailand. But if you are it needs to be established under CRS.

 

I then gave you the reason why this is happening.

 

11 hours ago, The Cyclist said:

Gone are the days of earning in 1 Country and pretending to be a resident of another Country to avoid paying tax.

 

As the Brits who are all over threads like a rash over their State Pensions are about to find out

9 minutes ago, The Cyclist said:

I didn't.

I gave you the answer here

You do not have to be a tax residentnof Thailand. But if you are it needs to be established under CRS.

I then gave you the reason why this is happening.

As the Brits who are all over threads like a rash over their State Pensions are about to find out

All nonsense and supposition on your part.

Nothing has changed, and if it does, Thailand will continue not to enforce.

 

3 hours ago, scubascuba3 said:

Kasikorn will accept any number they aren't checking it, but later someone may 

My defense to CRS,

I'm sorry, did I make a mistake filling in your form, please excuse my old age, poor eyesight and developing dementia!

 

My defense to DWP,

I'm in Thailand, are you sure I thought this was Brighton!