Undercover International police

[georgegeorgia]

Do you think the rumours are true that Western countries have actual undercover police in Pattaya 

 

I was discussing this with a work colleague last night who told me he had witnessed a Australian  guy  being arrested by Australian Federal police in a Pattaya bar 

Are they stationed in Pattaya and for what reason ?

 

If I knew they were there I would of lodged a  police complaint about the view talay where I was overcharged and kidnapped where the swimming pool area was locked !

 

I recall German undercover police also  arrest people too in Pattaya

Are these rumours true ?

Do they mix around in bars etc ?

 

Who are they after ?

[scottiejohn]

Why are you asking?

Got something to hide!

[SAFETY FIRST]

1 hour ago, georgegeorgia said:

I would of lodged a  police complaint about the view talay where I was overcharged and kidnapped

Were you molested again?

 

I remember you posting some time back about you being sexually assaulted by a ladyboy. 

 

[KhunBENQ]

See a doctor and take your colleague with you.

 

[JackGats]

The Department of Home Security may have agents. German police? No way.

[richard_smith237]

I believe that its possible for overseas forces to operate in Thailand, under advisory roles, without jurisdiction or policing powers under the supervision and guidance of Interpol Thailand, who may also liaise with local police forces. 

 

So..  No, overseas Police forces cannot make arrests here in Thailand - but under an advisory roll, then can guide Thai Police to wanted individuals and oversee their arrest. 

 

 

[Pattaya57]

I once sat next to a guy in a Pattaya bar that told me he was an undercover cop from Aus that had been here 9 months.

 

No reason not to believe him except maybe the fact undercover cops might know not to tell random strangers they're an undercover cop 😀

[bkk6060]

A few years back I met 2 men and a lady in Pattaya at my hotel who said they were from Australia.  They claimed they worked for "an agency" and were investigating men having sex with underage girls.  They seemed legit, not sure who or what agency it was.  

[cdemundo]

1 hour ago, georgegeorgia said:

Do you think the rumours are true that Western countries have actual undercover police in Pattaya 

 

I was discussing this with a work colleague last night who told me he had witnessed a Australian  guy  being arrested by Australian Federal police in a Pattaya bar 

Are they stationed in Pattaya and for what reason ?

 

If I knew they were there I would of lodged a  police complaint about the view talay where I was overcharged and kidnapped where the swimming pool area was locked !

 

I recall German undercover police also  arrest people too in Pattaya

Are these rumours true ?

Do they mix around in bars etc ?

 

Who are they after ?

They're after you gg.

 

[spidermike007]

It would not surprise me in the least, especially if the authorities were Americans. They love to engage in nonsense, and enjoy nothing more than arresting a fellow American for sex crimes. 

[Jimjim1]

10 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

enjoy nothing more than arresting a fellow American for sex crimes. 

Surely if they are committing sex crimes they should be arrested, and it should not matter who carries out the arrest

[Etaoin Shrdlu]

Many years ago I met someone who was an officer of his home country's police force who was posted to his country's embassy as a liaison officer. His mission was to work with the RTP on cases involving his countrymen. 

 

So, yes, there are police from foreign countries here, but they will not have any powers to detain or arrest. While their presence here isn't exactly secret, it isn't widely advertised, either.

[sqwakvfr]

The only way a foreign governmental agency of any kind ould have any kind of advisory role to direct the local police to arrest a foreigner would be if the suspected foreigner had commited a crime in another country or has a warrant for his or her arrest.   So having sex with an uderage girl in LOS would be a crime only the Thai authorities could arrest for.  

[FritsSikkink]

2 hours ago, georgegeorgia said:

Do they mix around in bars etc ?

 

Who are they after ?

People who harass others in the toilet.

[sungod]

2 hours ago, georgegeorgia said:

Do you think the rumours are true that Western countries have actual undercover police in Pattaya 

 

No

[Highball]

Yes. Indeed. I'd imagine a dozen countries or more have personnel in Thailand. I believe FBI has a large presence abroad

[Highball]

21 minutes ago, sqwakvfr said:

The only way a foreign governmental agency of any kind ould have any kind of advisory role to direct the local police to arrest a foreigner would be if the suspected foreigner had commited a crime in another country or has a warrant for his or her arrest.   So having sex with an uderage girl in LOS would be a crime only the Thai authorities could arrest for.  

 

It's recon for home countries. Yes, absolutely Thai authorities do the collar.

 

I believe I recall UK and FBI also involved in the KT murders. I'd suspect they also lend expertise on things like bombings and serial killers.

[Ralf001]

AFP have a house in Siam Royal View Darkside Pattaya.

[Highball]

As of about 15 years ago most western countries have laws about having sex overseas with minors. It's actually illegal in these countries despite the alleged crime taking place outside the country.  They are not interested in roping the drunk tourist that took at lost 17yo waif back to his resort for a romp. It would be imo those with records from home countries, a pathology. Gangsters selling drugs, contraband directed back to home. Human trafficking.

[LennyW]

Nah, no undercover police, just the CIA, Mi6, Navy Seals, Green Beret's, and some other Guardians of the Galaxy!

[scubascuba3]

There are undercover NGO type people who go to places like soi 6 to catch out what's going on, sometimes in male female couples. I've seen warnings on Facebook when they are in town

[worgeordie]

46 minutes ago, Highball said:

Yes. Indeed. I'd imagine a dozen countries or more have personnel in Thailand. I believe FBI has a large presence abroad

i Think you mean CIA , the FBI are only supposed to work in USA.

The size of the new USA Embassy they are building up here in Chiang Mai there

must be a lot of them

 

regards Worgeordie

[GroveHillWanderer]

29 minutes ago, worgeordie said:

i Think you mean CIA , the FBI are only supposed to work in USA.

The size of the new USA Embassy they are building up here in Chiang Mai there

must be a lot of them

 

regards Worgeordie

 

That's not accurate. The FBI may be mostly concerned with domestic matters but it also operates internationally. Here's an extract from their own website. 

 

Quote

For more than seven decades, the FBI has stationed special agents and other personnel overseas to help protect Americans back home by building relationships with principal law enforcement, intelligence, and security services around the globe that help ensure a prompt and continuous exchange of information.

 

International Operations

 

https://www.fbi.gov/about/leadership-and-structure/international-operations

 

[Andre0720]

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/rcmp-sting-endangered-canadian-in-thailand/article992277/

 

Senior RCMP officers who approved an undercover operation that lured a Quebec man into buying heroin in Thailand have acknowledged in recently filed court documents that the project was conducted with no concern that it would put a Canadian citizen in danger of getting a death sentence from the Thai authorities.

The court documents filed in a Quebec Superior Court civil suit also show that the RCMP mistook their suspect for his drug-trafficking twin brother when the force's undercover agents went after him.

The man the RCMP targeted, a drug addict with no previous criminal record named Alain Olivier, was sentenced to death in a Bangkok court. He later received a Thai royal pardon, and his sentence was commuted to 40 years in prison.

Now back in Montreal on parole after eight years in a Bangkok jail, Mr. Olivier is suing the RCMP, saying he was unfairly ensnared in a sting operation.

Code-named Deception, the scheme has been controversial because undercover RCMP Corporal Derek Flanagan died during a botched drug purchase in Chiang Mai. Mr. Olivier, who had arranged the transaction, was arrested and handed over to the Thai police.

Transcripts of examinations for discovery were filed in court this week, including the deposition of former chief superintendent Frank Palmer, who, as officer in charge of federal operations in Vancouver, was one of the senior Mounties who approved the operation.

Mr. Palmer retired in 1997 after reaching the rank of deputy commissioner of the RCMP.

"It didn't bother you about bringing a Canadian citizen to Thailand to be arrested in Thailand for a crime you knew carried the death penalty? That didn't bother you at all?" Mr. Olivier's lawyer asked Mr. Palmer.

"No," he replied.

[Andre0720]

But more recently, RCMP officials are more known to come to Thailand to teach police techniques in Bangkok.

 

Understood to be more an 'undercover operation' to come to Thailand on holidays at Canadian taxpayers expenses...

[theblether]

16 minutes ago, worgeordie said:

i Think you mean CIA , the FBI are only supposed to work in USA.

The size of the new USA Embassy they are building up here in Chiang Mai there

must be a lot of them

 

regards Worgeordie

 

No, it's not the CIA, it's the FBI. And while I detest giving this troll the time of day I'll show you an example where a former member of this forum was attested for distributing child pornography. Let me add, another forum member now long gone did an exceptional job or notifying Thai authorities about this guys content on flickr and YouTube. While not illegal, it crossed a line into harassment and stalking. 

 

Also note, the FBI/HSI notified the Thai authorities and the Brits. On the day Blanford was arrested the FBI and British police were present, as alluded to in the article. 

 

"Representatives from British and American authorities were also present during the arrest, Worachit said."

 

I knew a psychiatrist that worked for the US Consulate in Chiang Mai. Part of her job was to assess the ongoing impact on the children and families of victims of American offenders. Over the years I have written continually that the FBI and US Congress created the gold standard for dealing with international child sex abuse - a standard that other Western countries including the UK adopted. 

 

Re Pattaya in particular, around 15 years ago the FBI and other authorities swarmed the place in conjunction with Thai authorities.  Around 10 years ago they wiped out a highly connected abuse ring involving foreigners and high ranking Thais in Chiang Mai. 

 

I'm not going into details on either incident. The last time I got involved in this issue on TV it became easily the worst, most toxic thread I have ever seen. Anyway, the answer is yes - Western law enforcement have a permanent presence in Thailand, to combat CSA, drug rings and human trafficking. 

 

https://www.khaosodenglish.com/news/crimecourtscalamity/2016/01/07/1452154158/

[theblether]

13 minutes ago, GroveHillWanderer said:

 

That's not accurate. The FBI may be mostly concerned with domestic matters but it also operates internationally. Here's an extract from their own website. 

 

 

International Operations

 

https://www.fbi.gov/about/leadership-and-structure/international-operations

 

 

The FBI work in conjunction with the CIA on certain issues. I knew a CIA operative based in Bonn ( the US Embassy was there at the time ) who was tracking European child pornographers. We used to socialize in the US Embassy club which was an experience in itself. 

[gargamon]

2 hours ago, bkk6060 said:

A few years back I met 2 men and a lady in Pattaya at my hotel who said they were from Australia.  They claimed they worked for "an agency" and were investigating men having sex with underage girls.  They seemed legit, not sure who or what agency it was.  

That would be an NGO, not an official government organization. Their main goal is to take some pictures so they can you them to suck money out of the gullible morons back home.

[GypsyT]

They have reps from many countries involved monitoring child prostitution, human trafficking and forced labor.

All work with Thai cops.

[KhunHeineken]

4 hours ago, georgegeorgia said:

I was discussing this with a work colleague last night who told me he had witnessed a Australian  guy  being arrested by Australian Federal police in a Pattaya bar 

How did he know they were Australian Federal Police?

 

It could have been a kidnapping.  

 

This was a well known case in Pattaya some years ago, but recently, we have seen the Chinese doing it, although they tend to demand a ransom from family back in China. 

 

https://www.bangkokpost.com/thailand/general/782765/2-arrested-for-pattaya-kidnap-murder-of-aussie-hell-angel