Vance said violent offenders would not be pardoned for the January 6 insurrection but Trump pardoned the lot.

Apparently Trump and the staff started going through the 1500 offenders list, only pardoning the peaceful protesters, but Trump soon got bored, gave up and pardoned all!

Short attention span, Donald!

 

1 hour ago, spot said:

 

Your point?

 

Clearly missed.

1 hour ago, SiSePuede419 said:

Every time I see an "illegal" immigrant,I see a criminal.

 

A criminal who hires an illegal immigrant because they know they're hard workers who are looking for a fresh start in America and a better life for their family.

 

Hiring illegal immigrants is a crime.

 

Ironic that the criminal in this situation is a "legal" American, typically born in the USA. 😄

 

USA 🇺🇸 USA 🇺🇸 USA 🇺🇸

 

Funny because every single person who crossed the border illegally is a criminal. 

 

So that whole immigrants legal or not claim is just a joke. 

 

14 minutes ago, bannork said:

Vance said violent offenders would not be pardoned for the January 6 insurrection but Trump pardoned the lot.

Apparently Trump and the staff started going through the 1500 offenders list, only pardoning the peaceful protesters, but Trump soon got bored, gave up and pardoned all!

Short attention span, Donald!

 

You make a claim with no facts, sources!

Timing is essential.

There was a time Both said that!

Did the forces that be change there 

minds when Biden made pardons and other forgiveness to murderers ?

 

No insurrection either. Made up term by dems and Trump haters!

17 minutes ago, bannork said:

Vance said violent offenders would not be pardoned for the January 6 insurrection but Trump pardoned the lot.

Apparently Trump and the staff started going through the 1500 offenders list, only pardoning the peaceful protesters, but Trump soon got bored, gave up and pardoned all!

Short attention span, Donald!

 

 

You're lying. 14 violent offenders from that day were not pardoned. 

5 minutes ago, blaze master said:

 

You're lying. 14 violent offenders from that day were not pardoned. 

Whil

While Trump pardoned virtually all of the 1,270 convicted rioters, he withheld pardons for now from 14 members of far-right extremist groups that were charged in the most notorious seditious conspiracy cases. But he still granted them commutations, releasing them from federal prison, where they were serving some of the longest January 6 sentences.

 

e Trump pardoned virtually all of the 1,270 convicted rioters, he withheld pardons for now from 14 members of far-right extremist groups that were charged in the most notorious seditious conspiracy cases. But he still granted them commutations, releasing them from federal prison, where they were serving some of the longest January 6 sentences.

These convicts were members of the Oath Keepers and Proud Boys, and were among the first people to breach the Capitol during the attack. Some were found guilty of seditious conspiracy, while others were acquitted, but all were convicted of other felonies.

 

5 minutes ago, bannork said:

Whil

While Trump pardoned virtually all of the 1,270 convicted rioters, he withheld pardons for now from 14 members of far-right extremist groups that were charged in the most notorious seditious conspiracy cases. But he still granted them commutations, releasing them from federal prison, where they were serving some of the longest January 6 sentences.

 

e Trump pardoned virtually all of the 1,270 convicted rioters, he withheld pardons for now from 14 members of far-right extremist groups that were charged in the most notorious seditious conspiracy cases. But he still granted them commutations, releasing them from federal prison, where they were serving some of the longest January 6 sentences.

These convicts were members of the Oath Keepers and Proud Boys, and were among the first people to breach the Capitol during the attack. Some were found guilty of seditious conspiracy, while others were acquitted, but all were convicted of other felonies.

 

 

 

Thanks for proving my point.

18 minutes ago, riclag said:

You make a claim with no facts, sources!

Timing is essential.

There was a time Both said that!

Did the forces that be change there 

minds when Biden made pardons and other forgiveness to murderers ?

 

No insurrection either. Made up term by dems and Trump haters!

Colorado Supreme Court's Judgment

Any definition of  insurrection involves ''an attempt by people to hinder or prevent the US government from taking the actions necessary to accomplish a peaceful transfer of power in this country."

The participants should "act in a concerted way, [but] need not be highly organised".

In applying that definition to the events of 6 January 2021, the court found:

A large number of armed protestors forcibly entered the Capitol Building.

Actual and threatened force was used by those protestors.

The protestors' use of force was concerted and had a unity of purpose, in that they wished to inflict violence against members of Congress and Mike Pence.

Upon entering the Capitol Building, the protestors attempted to and did enter the chambers of the House and Senate, for the purposes of preventing the certification of the 2020 Presidential election.

 

The full judgment can be read on the Colorado Supreme Court's website here: https://www.courts.state.co.us/userfiles/file/Court_Probation/Supreme_Court/Opinions/2023/23SA300.pdf.

'Insurrection' under English law

26 minutes ago, blaze master said:

 

Clearly missed.

Obviously. 

 

Could you explain for those at the back?

1 minute ago, spot said:

Obviously. 

 

Could you explain for those at the back?

 

Can't be bothered dumbing it down for you. Go away.

14 minutes ago, blaze master said:

 

You're lying. 14 violent offenders from that day were not pardoned. 

Sorry,  they were released from prison and their sentences were commutated.

Eight days before the inauguration, Vice President-to-be JD Vance said on "Fox News Sunday" that Jan. 6 convicts who assaulted police ought not get clemency: "If you committed violence that day, obviously you shouldn't be pardoned."

Trump vacillated during an internal debate over targeted clemency vs. a blanket decision according to two insiders.

But as Trump's team wrestled with the issue, and planned a shock-and-awe batch of executive orders Day 1, "Trump just said: 'F -k it: Release 'em all,'" an adviser familiar with the discussions said.

 

10 hours ago, illisdean said:

LOL....if you voted for Biden then look at the economic mess he gave you and America...The best way to look at domestic economics is the one delivered by biden/harris, worst economy in decades. Thats bidenomics, a total failure except brainwashed bidenites who think illegal aliens picking cabbage will save Americas economy. LOL.

But, you know, Trump won the election based on the top two issues plaguing America, immigration/border security and the economy and Biden FAILED ON BOTH and Trump delivered and hence the MAGA LANDSLIDE election victory Non 5 2024.  

 

How's that for "basic economics"...where Americans choose Trump's economy and border policies over the hitler, nazi obsessed baby killing liberal losers.

 

Be sure and check out Milton Friedman and try to learn something, maybe in conjunction with counseling you can get a clue perhaps.

What are you talking about.   By most typical measures the US economy was booming in 2024.   Inflation down more than all other top countries.  Employment at record levels.    Just like it has been the last 30 years under Republicans it will tank and be fixed by the next Democrat president.  That's fact. 

https://www.jec.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/democrats/2024/10/the-u-s-economy-performs-better-under-democratic-presidents

4 minutes ago, Elkski said:

What are you talking about.   By most typical measures the US economy was booming in 2024.   Inflation down more than all other top countries.  Employment at record levels.    Just like it has been the last 30 years under Republicans it will tank and be fixed by the next Democrat president.  That's fact. 

https://www.jec.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/democrats/2024/10/the-u-s-economy-performs-better-under-democratic-presidents

A lot of the people on here using the trope slogans, don't care if the economy was performing well at the time of the election. 

 

What matters is that someone was representing them, the poor of thought but pure in supremacy. 

6 hours ago, thesetat said:

Don't you think it is cheaper for the Government to use military transport.. We are talking about getting millions of illegals sent home. That is a lot of private jets to carry them all home. I think he was brilliant to do it this way. No need to negotiate with the airline companies or anyone else. No waiting either. 

When I was in the military we often caught free flights on military aircraft to go home on leave.  These were flights that pilots made to meet their proficiency requirements.

https://thegunzone.com/how-many-hours-do-military-pilots-fly/

8 hours ago, Lacessit said:

I would suggest applying the immigration laws with some judgment of individual circumstances. By all means deport criminals, and those bludging off the system.

 

However, people who are prepared to work for less than minimum wage, sending money to their families, are an asset to America.

 

The stable genius who decided to deport every illegal, without regard for consequences, is not doing any favors to Americans already hurting from high living costs.

 

What's the bet Trump could not tell you the cost of a dozen eggs, although it is odds on he could tell you the stock price of DJT to the last cent.

Would you say that criminals who launder dirty money by establishing legal businesses that provide jobs and income to legal citizens should be excused for their crimes because they are an asset to America?

And what's the big deal about the price of eggs vs. stock prices?  That's far from unusual.

6 hours ago, Jingthing said:

Funny he didn't say one word about invading Panama and Greenland or trying to annex Canada during the campaign.

What other "surprises" await us?

He is back playing golf,so probaly finished his 4 years of work now. Lasted a week. Not too bad for the orange con.

6 hours ago, Jingthing said:

How are those egg prices going?

Through the roof!  Shortage caused by the bird flu. 

1 hour ago, bannork said:

Vance said violent offenders would not be pardoned for the January 6 insurrection but Trump pardoned the lot.

Apparently Trump and the staff started going through the 1500 offenders list, only pardoning the peaceful protesters, but Trump soon got bored, gave up and pardoned all!

Short attention span, Donald!

 

Trumps pardons bad

Bidens pardons good

 

17 minutes ago, theshu25 said:

He is back playing golf,so probaly finished his 4 years of work now. Lasted a week. Not too bad for the orange con.

 

Enlighten us on how often joey was on holiday. You may be a little surprised.

1 hour ago, bannork said:

Eight days before the inauguration, Vice President-to-be JD Vance said on "Fox News Sunday" that Jan. 6 convicts who assaulted police ought not get clemency: "If you committed violence that day, obviously you shouldn't be pardoned."

Trump vacillated during an internal debate over targeted clemency vs. a blanket decision according to two insiders.

But as Trump's team wrestled with the issue, and planned a shock-and-awe batch of executive orders Day 1, "Trump just said: 'F -k it: Release 'em all,'" an adviser familiar with the discussions said.

 

Ah, an anonymous adviser on doubt. No verification suppose?

3 minutes ago, blaze master said:

 

Enlighten us on how often joey was on holiday. You may be a little surprised.

Always 'what about...' . The topic is Trump.

Two wrongs don't make a right 

Start another thread about Joe if you feel so inclined.

1 minute ago, bannork said:

Always 'what about...' . The topic is Trump.

Two wrongs don't make a right 

Start another thread about Joe if you feel so inclined.

 

I was simply pointing out irony. 

 

I assume you will also comment to the other poster yes ?

6 minutes ago, frank83628 said:

But funnily enough, no audio of these words being said,  just the usual anonymous source an  'insider close to axios'... so as I said, NO verification.

Theyre out now, just like the double murder Biden released...what have younsaid about that.... or the preemptive pardon for fauci, cheny & Mattie, or Bidens family.... all promises broken.... crickets from AN members

 

Sorry to concentrate on Trump. I thought he was the current President or Vice President of the US. 

2 minutes ago, bannork said:

Sorry to concentrate on Trump. I thought he was the current President or Vice President of the US. 

You concentrated on Trump when he wasn't too, you ignored the then President which was Biden

3 hours ago, Hawaiian said:

Would you say that criminals who launder dirty money by establishing legal businesses that provide jobs and income to legal citizens should be excused for their crimes because they are an asset to America?

And what's the big deal about the price of eggs vs. stock prices?  That's far from unusual.

Criminals are criminals, what you are posting is a red herring.

 

I am saying the people who pick your crops, clean your hotel rooms, and generally do the scut work Americans think is beneath them, are an asset to America. I can explain it to you, I can't understand it for you.

 

The point I was making about egg prices vs. the DJT share price is Trump knows S#F#A about living costs, which is not a good starting point for someone claiming they will bring them down.

 

What would a purported billionaire know about such mundane items as eggs, milk, or a loaf of bread?

3 hours ago, Hawaiian said:

Through the roof!  Shortage caused by the bird flu. 

So when your fruit and vegetable prices go through the roof, what excuse will you pick then?

17 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

Criminals are criminals, what you are posting is a red herring.

 

I am saying the people who pick your crops, clean your hotel rooms, and generally do the scut work Americans think is beneath them, are an asset to America. I can explain it to you, I can't understand it for you.

 

The point I was making about egg prices vs. the DJT share price is Trump knows S#F#A about living costs, which is not a good starting point for someone claiming they will bring them down.

 

What would a purported billionaire know about such mundane items as eggs, milk, or a loaf of bread?

And the previous multi millionares in charge had their finger on the pulse right? like Pelosi, eating Icecream in front of her $20,000 fridge during COVID lockdowns, when Joe Public had to shut down their businesses.

30 minutes ago, frank83628 said:

And the previous multi millionares in charge had their finger on the pulse right? like Pelosi, eating Icecream in front of her $20,000 fridge during COVID lockdowns, when Joe Public had to shut down their businesses.

From the transcript VP nominee debate between now-VP Vance and Tim Walz:

 

NO'D Would you again seek to challenge this year's election results, even if every Governor certifies the results? I'll give you two minutes.

JDV: Well, Norah, first of all, I think that we're focused on the future.

 

**********

 

TW I would just ask that. Did he lose the 2020 election?

JDV: Tim, I'm focused on the future. 

 

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/full-vp-debate-transcript-walz-vance-2024/

 

-- Some of you guys on here should try it.

2 minutes ago, jerrymahoney said:

From the transcript VP nominee debate between now-VP Vance and Tim Walz:

 

NO'D Would you again seek to challenge this year's election results, even if every Governor certifies the results? I'll give you two minutes.

JDV: Well, Norah, first of all, I think that we're focused on the future.

 

**********

 

TW I would just ask that. Did he lose the 2020 election?

JDV: Tim, I'm focused on the future. 

 

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/full-vp-debate-transcript-walz-vance-2024/

 

-- Some of you guys on here should try it.

So just ignore double standards because it is in the past.

So only present day things are to be talked about here?