HHS Issues Narrower Definitions of Sex, Sparking Criticism from Legal and Health Experts

[blaze master]

12 hours ago, Walker88 said:

While I find it silly HHS has to take this up as one of its first "duties", my lib credentials solidify in a spot close to the center on the entire trans debate.

 

I have compassion for folks born feeling they were in the wrong body with the wrong gear, and I think it no more a "mental illness" as one's height. It is simply how that individual developed. Nobody asked for it, at least until lately.

 

While I have no official data to back up my particular belief, I would guess that the number of humans who genuinely feel they were born in the wrong body is extremely small, likely less than 1%, and maybe even a fraction of that. Give those folks their dignity and basic human respect. And by all means anyone willing to volunteer to serve the country should be allowed that desire.

 

A few years ago, however, trans seems to have become a fad. Suddenly lots of people had 'doubts' about their gender. I suspect some parents, wishing to gain social clout or "likes" even encouraged their kids to have doubts, so that Mom could gain sympathy among her group of friends. To then impose hormones or surgery upon a child, I think is reprehensible. Growing up, hitting puberty, etc., has forever been accompanied by confusion, but time has historically taken care of that as children moved into adulthood. Those still confused by their mind-body dilemma once reaching the age of consent can then make their own choice, if they wish to become what they believe they are inside.

 

All that being said, I think HHS should gear itself toward more important issues, such as the obesity epidemic, preparation for the next inevitable pandemic, drug addiction, etc. Gender would have sorted itself out over time as the fad faded.

 

I wish you would comment more like this. No nasty name calling or hatred. Just a well thought out reply.

 

Great comment. 

[blaze master]

14 minutes ago, mogandave said:

Wow is Trump outlawing them? 

 

I do not think you know what you are talking about.

 

Doesn't stop them from making these kind of strange claims.

 

 

[connda]

Welcome to the end of "woke."

[dinsdale]

20 hours ago, Jingthing said:

I'm angry that the fascists are kicking out all transgender people from the military. They are all volunteers who were willing to serve their country and the government spent a lot of money training them.  So now they're being erased for purely ideological reasons. Disgusting and unfair!

With maga, cruelty (and ignorance) is the point.

You know the more you use the term fascist the less relevant it becomes. It's now simply the mantra of the woke left, the same woke left that imposed radical woke ideology onto society. This from Trump is pushback and reflects a majority not minority view.

[merck]

In all the hundreds of thousands of years humans have existed there was never any confusion over male and female identity. Until the last few years that is, when it all changed and for reasons that were never explained to us, all previous thinking was incorrect and you could suddenly self-identify as anything you wanted along with an additional 72 genders.

[Jingthing]

4 minutes ago, merck said:

In all the hundreds of thousands of years humans have existed there was never any confusion over male and female identity. Until the last few years that is, when it all changed and for reasons that were never explained to us, all previous thinking was incorrect and you could suddenly self-identify as anything you wanted along with an additional 72 genders.

You're wrong.

[Peabody]

14 minutes ago, merck said:

In all the hundreds of thousands of years humans have existed there was never any confusion over male and female identity.

Did someone whisper Greece? Or did I hear Rome? 

[morrobay]

Legal and "health experts" : XX and XY. Now please st*u and gt*o

[thesetat]

On 2/21/2025 at 12:21 PM, soalbundy said:

2% of the American population is a big number.

I do not think so. The Intersex meaning is speculating about being transgender. But really the definition states a physical problem like have ovaries but no opening to them or producing menstruation but unable to expel it monthly.. Or an enlarged clitoris. I do not think there are many with the physical problem. Surely not 2% of the population. So I think the OP is using the term including transgender. If 2 % of the population has physical defects then they should be studying what is going wrong with the genetics of them that is making this occur. 

I think the LGBTQTRSVLFSRT#$FJWL group is trying to twist the meaning so they can have a win to get their money back. If a baby is born with a Intersex physical problem then they will be medically diagnosed as male or female and surgeries performed as a baby to fix the problem allowing them to lead a normal life. You can not fix a transgender since it is a mental health issue. Just like you can not fix a sadist or child molester. Their problem with identity is not physical. 

The groups advocating for these people are surely not happy they lost their money and freedoms to enter toilets of the opposite physical sex. The HHS is doing the right thing. The OP is clearly trying to create controversy over this when there is none. 

[morrobay]

Sure any individual should have the freedom to dress up any way they want to and have any operation they do choose. But this all must be an individual thing only. It no way should be institutionalized. Ie.  the XX and XY are the only definitions that determine genders in legal terms. No mixed locker rooms, restrooms or any other mumbo jumbo in order to gain some kind of legal or financial advantage. Having same sex marriage , fine that's s personal choice.

 

 

 

 

[LosLobo]

This whole "biological truth" push is just a distraction. It's not about science or fairness—it’s about stirring up division and taking attention away from real issues like inflation and the high cost of living. Wages aren’t going up, but everything else—food, rent, healthcare—keeps getting more expensive. Trump loves culture wars because it’s easier than fixing the economy, which, let’s be honest, is the real reason he was elected. The real problem? People are stuck in financial stagnation—unable to move ahead while the cost of basic needs keeps rising. But don’t worry, he’ll keep us arguing about gender to keep our focus off the real issues.

[Jimmy43]

9 hours ago, merck said:

In all the hundreds of thousands of years humans have existed there was never any confusion over male and female identity. Until the last few years that is, when it all changed and for reasons that were never explained to us,

 

You wrote this nonsense on a Thailand focused message board?  You must be joking.

 

Thailand and many other countries have a long history of transsexuals.  The place was full of ladyboys when I first visited 40 years ago.

[morrobay]

21 minutes ago, LosLobo said:

This whole "biological truth" push is just a distraction. It's not about science or fairness—it’s about stirring up division and taking attention away from real issues like inflation and the high cost of living. Wages aren’t going up, but everything else—food, rent, healthcare—keeps getting more expensive. Trump loves culture wars because it’s easier than fixing the economy, which, let’s be honest, is the real reason he was elected. The real problem? People are stuck in financial stagnation—unable to move ahead while the cost of basic needs keeps rising. But don’t worry, he’ll keep us arguing about gender to keep our focus off the real issues.

Who is stirring up the confusion? All Trump & Co want is an end to this institutionalized "gender identity" mumbo jumbo. It's XX and XY- only. End of  Story .  So enough of this nonsense from these saps. Time to get on with the obesity and drug problems. Have no idea why your making up this ridiculous conflation about the economy. That's is being addressed with Trumps team. Maybe you should try reading the 0P instead posting some bs story.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[LosLobo]

59 minutes ago, morrobay said:

Who is stirring up the confusion? All Trump & Co want is an end to this institutionalized "gender identity" mumbo jumbo. It's XX and XY- only. End of  Story .  So enough of this nonsense from these saps. Time to get on with the obesity and drug problems. Have no idea why your making up this ridiculous conflation about the economy. That's is being addressed with Trumps team. Maybe you should try reading the 0P instead posting some bs story.

Right, "XX and XY - only"?

Well, that's not the end of the story.

What about XXY, XO, XXX, AIS (XY), 5-ARD, MRKH, DLS (XX male), Hypospadias (XY), AE (XX), PAIS, Clitoromegaly (XX), XY Female (Swyer), XX Male (DLS), True Hermaphroditism, Mosaicism (XX/XY), TS Mosaic (XX/X)?

These are all real, scientifically documented variations in human biology.

Seems like Trump, the worm, and you flunked Biology 101—and basic commonsense.

 

[dinsdale]

2 hours ago, LosLobo said:

This whole "biological truth" push is just a distraction. It's not about science or fairness—it’s about stirring up division and taking attention away from real issues like inflation and the high cost of living. Wages aren’t going up, but everything else—food, rent, healthcare—keeps getting more expensive. Trump loves culture wars because it’s easier than fixing the economy, which, let’s be honest, is the real reason he was elected. The real problem? People are stuck in financial stagnation—unable to move ahead while the cost of basic needs keeps rising. But don’t worry, he’ll keep us arguing about gender to keep our focus off the real issues.

To say biology is not about science but is just a distraction is simply absurd. As for it being a "biological truth" it's not and I've never seen it said this way . It's a fact. A biological fact. As for division this sits firmly in the woke corner. 

[dinsdale]

47 minutes ago, LosLobo said:

Right, "XX and XY - only"?

Well, that's not the end of the story.

What about XXY, XO, XXX, AIS (XY), 5-ARD, MRKH, DLS (XX male), Hypospadias (XY), AE (XX), PAIS, Clitoromegaly (XX), XY Female (Swyer), XX Male (DLS), True Hermaphroditism, Mosaicism (XX/XY), TS Mosaic (XX/X)?

These are all real, scientifically documented variations in human biology.

Seems like Trump, the worm, and you flunked Biology 101—and basic commonsense.

 

And what % of the population have these extremely rare genetic mutations? 

[thaibeachlovers]

22 hours ago, Hamus Yaigh said:

What difference does it matter how many there are? The US Trump government should not discriminate against a single one of them. Its not just intersex (0.02%), its DSD (Differences of Sex Development) (1-2%) Trump are gender outlawing from their birth.

Unless an hermaphrodite, one is clearly of male or female gender at birth- boys have a penis and girls have a vagina.

How is that "outlawing their gender"? When they grow up and become an adult, they can become anything they think they are, including a cat, but children should not be persuaded by adults to think they are not what their genitalia say they are.

[thaibeachlovers]

2 hours ago, Jimmy43 said:

 

You wrote this nonsense on a Thailand focused message board?  You must be joking.

 

Thailand and many other countries have a long history of transsexuals.  The place was full of ladyboys when I first visited 40 years ago.

I doubt that it was "full of transexuals" 40 years ago and I was there in the 70s- I didn't see a single one. Even now it's not "full" of them- very much a minority.

[LosLobo]

41 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

To say biology is not about science but is just a distraction is simply absurd. As for it being a "biological truth" it's not and I've never seen it said this way . It's a fact. A biological fact. As for division this sits firmly in the woke corner. 

Oh, seems like déjà vu, Dinsdale. You clearly missed the point again. I never said biology isn’t science; I’m calling out how this ‘biological truth’ push is a distraction from real issues like inflation and cost of living.

Trump labelled his EO ‘biological truth’—maybe you should take it up with him.

Try reading the OP and my post first next time.”

[Hamus Yaigh]

29 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

one is clearly of male or female gender at birth- boys have a penis and girls have a vagina.

Complete nonsense. As stated before a small percentage do not. What gives you the right to say that small percentage are disenfranchised?

[dinsdale]

54 minutes ago, LosLobo said:

Oh, seems like déjà vu, Dinsdale. You clearly missed the point again. I never said biology isn’t science; I’m calling out how this ‘biological truth’ push is a distraction from real issues like inflation and cost of living.

Trump labelled his EO ‘biological truth’—maybe you should take it up with him.

Try reading the OP and my post first next time.”

As I clearly stated biology/science isn't a "truth" it's fact based on evidence and the scientific method. As for inflation and cost of living Trump's only been in for a month. Inflation and cost of living as it is is down to the previous administration.