Just now, Cryingdick said:

 

Only the bits they occupied? So if history repeats itself what does that mean for the bits of Ukraine already occupied?

There were outright winners in WW11 where both protagonists surrendered.

 

The winners took the spoils.

(including Russia declaring war on Japan on August 8, 1945;  shortly after the atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, effectively forcing Japan to surrender large areas of Manchuria and other Japanese-controlled territories in the Far East to Russia-some of which are still under dispute today.)

 

That at present is not the case with the ongoing invasion by Russia.

 

If Trump continues to give his best friend Putin the go ahead to declare his own terms to end the Russian invasion then Russia will keep at least, if not more, of what they have already captured.  Ukraine would obviously have to retreat from the Kursk region.

 

As a result WW111or Russian/Chinese/North Korean etc expansion will surely follow.

This could possibly end up with Trump's dream of  the US/Russian/Chinese triumvirate with Trump as it's leader/dictator.

 

I hope to hell I am wrong!!!!!!!!!

 

21 minutes ago, rough diamond said:

There were outright winners in WW11 where both protagonists surrendered.

 

The winners took the spoils.

(including Russia declaring war on Japan on August 8, 1945;  shortly after the atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, effectively forcing Japan to surrender large areas of Manchuria and other Japanese-controlled territories in the Far East to Russia-some of which are still under dispute today.)

 

That at present is not the case with the ongoing invasion by Russia.

 

If Trump continues to give his best friend Putin the go ahead to declare his own terms to end the Russian invasion then Russia will keep at least, if not more, of what they have already captured.  Ukraine would obviously have to retreat from the Kursk region.

 

As a result WW111or Russian/Chinese/North Korean etc expansion will surely follow.

This could possibly end up with Trump's dream of  the US/Russian/Chinese triumvirate with Trump as it's leader/dictator.

 

I hope to hell I am wrong!!!!!!!!!

 

Every crazy forecast is wrong.

3 hours ago, gamb00ler said:

It seems you're stuck in checkers thinking.

 

3 hours ago, Harrisfan said:

You support death and destruction.

Yeah... I was mistaken... you're stuck at X's and O's level.

34 minutes ago, rough diamond said:

There were outright winners in WW11 where both protagonists surrendered.

 

The winners took the spoils.

(including Russia declaring war on Japan on August 8, 1945;  shortly after the atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, effectively forcing Japan to surrender large areas of Manchuria and other Japanese-controlled territories in the Far East to Russia-some of which are still under dispute today.)

 

That at present is not the case with the ongoing invasion by Russia.

 

If Trump continues to give his best friend Putin the go ahead to declare his own terms to end the Russian invasion then Russia will keep at least, if not more, of what they have already captured.  Ukraine would obviously have to retreat from the Kursk region.

 

As a result WW111or Russian/Chinese/North Korean etc expansion will surely follow.

This could possibly end up with Trump's dream of  the US/Russian/Chinese triumvirate with Trump as it's leader/dictator.

 

I hope to hell I am wrong!!!!!!!!!

 

That's a bit of twisted logic there, in my view. what sticks with me, are  the simple words of one Republican Senator, who said he was deeply trouble by the vote, which puts  the US on the same side as Russia and North Korea".

"These are not our friends. This posture is a dramatic shift from American ideals of freedom and democracy,". Never in the modern history, in fact ever since the formation of the UN has America walked away from its international responsibilities. Today should be a day of shame for Americans.

9 hours ago, paddypower said:

That's a bit of twisted logic there, in my view. what sticks with me, are  the simple words of one Republican Senator, who said he was deeply trouble by the vote, which puts  the US on the same side as Russia and North Korea".

"These are not our friends. This posture is a dramatic shift from American ideals of freedom and democracy,". Never in the modern history, in fact ever since the formation of the UN has America walked away from its international responsibilities. Today should be a day of shame for Americans.

We were on the same side as the Russians in WW1 and WW2. Sometimes you have to deal with scumbags. Its easy to monday morning quarterback history

18 hours ago, KhunLA said:

Good, diplomacy, end that mess once and for all 👍

 

How is US voting alongside Russia and North Korea "good diplomacy". Many call it our as appeasement with no guarantees Russia will cease military engagement against Ukraine, nor withdrawal from Ukrainian territory. The vote assuredly does not MAGA, quite the opposite.

44 minutes ago, simple1 said:

 

How is US voting alongside Russia and North Korea "good diplomacy". Many call it our as appeasement with no guarantees Russia will cease military engagement against Ukraine, nor withdrawal from Ukrainian territory. The vote assuredly does not MAGA, quite the opposite.

It's headed toward stopping the killing & deaths.   A step forward from the past, when IMHO, killings & deaths were encouraged for the defense departments of the west, for them good ol' profits.

 

Let's stop the killings first, then fine tune the details.  Only common sense, and glad some countries actually still have some.

34 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

It's headed toward stopping the killing & deaths.   A step forward from the past, when IMHO, killings & deaths were encouraged for the defense departments of the west, for them good ol' profits.

 

Let's stop the killings first, then fine tune the details.  Only common sense, and glad some countries actually still have some.

I agree the killing should stop. but the 'rare earth' deal does NOT include any guarantees that the US will help to secure Ukraine's borders from another Russian invasion, say 2 years from now, will it? I admire Trump's business savvy, (as  compared to Helpless Harris) but not much else. how do you react to Trump's description of the deal? to quote him verbatim:  ''we will get that money back. We're helping the country (Ukraine) through a very very big problem... but the American taxpayer now is going to get their money back - PLUS '' what is he - a bloody money lender.? Has the US now transitioned to being the 'World's Policeman' - with interest rates attached to its role? btw, he lies (nothing unusual there) - there is no way the US has pumped $300-350 billion into defending Ukraine). that's his new lie. the original lie was $500 billion

20 hours ago, ravip said:

Today, the term "the free world" has been redefined.

It is not what it was meant to be, when it was coined!

IMHO

No such thing and never has been IMO. I'm not "free" to not pay taxes or ignore the speed limit.

1 hour ago, paddypower said:

there is no way the US has pumped $300-350 billion into defending Ukraine). that's his new lie. the original lie was $500 billion

Deal making usually involves quoting a higher price than one is prepared to accept to close the deal, but you knew that, right?

Who's the daddy? LOL.

1 hour ago, KhunLA said:

Only common sense, and glad some countries actually still have some.

I doubt that includes the shambles running the EU currently ( or Britain ).

2 hours ago, simple1 said:

 

How is US voting alongside Russia and North Korea "good diplomacy". Many call it our as appeasement with no guarantees Russia will cease military engagement against Ukraine, nor withdrawal from Ukrainian territory. The vote assuredly does not MAGA, quite the opposite.

I see heads exploding on AN, LOL.

BTW, Trump doesn't give a monkey's for the "old way" of doing things in Euroland which gave us 3 years of slaughter in Ukraine.

I don't care who he votes for in that farce- the UN- as long as it stops young guys like I used to be getting massacred in the trenches. Seems some on here think it's OK for lots of boys to die as long as it's not their kin. Pity they didn't have the balls to go and join in to support their cause.

23 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

I see heads exploding on AN, LOL.

BTW, Trump doesn't give a monkey's for the "old way" of doing things in Euroland which gave us 3 years of slaughter in Ukraine.

I don't care who he votes for in that farce- the UN- as long as it stops young guys like I used to be getting massacred in the trenches. Seems some on here think it's OK for lots of boys to die as long as it's not their kin. Pity they didn't have the balls to go and join in to support their cause.

So in WW2, you would have favored just letting Hitler have his way?

2 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

I see heads exploding on AN, LOL.

BTW, Trump doesn't give a monkey's for the "old way" of doing things in Euroland which gave us 3 years of slaughter in Ukraine.

I don't care who he votes for in that farce- the UN- as long as it stops young guys like I used to be getting massacred in the trenches. Seems some on here think it's OK for lots of boys to die as long as it's not their kin. Pity they didn't have the balls to go and join in to support their cause.

 

Were you not a nurse not in a combat role? If you believe appeasement is going to stop armed aggression, history proves you wrong

4 hours ago, KhunLA said:

It's headed toward stopping the killing & deaths.   A step forward from the past, when IMHO, killings & deaths were encouraged for the defense departments of the west, for them good ol' profits.

 

Let's stop the killings first, then fine tune the details.  Only common sense, and glad some countries actually still have some.

 

It's government that authorises warfare, not Defence Departments. So far as I know appeasement has never stopped future war/s. However to me trump's attempt walk back the previous Administration's support and retrospectively overcharge Ukraine 100s of billion of dollars is a crime of extortion. Thankfully it appears Zelensky has done an outstanding job in negotiations with trump Administration. Why trump is not being impeached again just shows the grovelling servility of the Republican party. As has been previously said by man,y trump is unfit to represent the Office of the USA Presidency. 

3 hours ago, Jingthing said:

So in WW2, you would have favored just letting Hitler have his way?

No, we sided with Russia and smashed them. 

40 minutes ago, simple1 said:

 

Were you not a nurse not in a combat role? If you believe appeasement is going to stop armed aggression, history proves you wrong

History proves you wrong. We joined Russia to win ww2. Trump is getting the war ended soon. Only an idiot would want the war to keep going another 4 years.

A reported post quoting from the wrong poster has been removed.

 

@mikebike I can’t amend your post to correct the error, please repost against the correct quote.

3 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Deal making usually involves quoting a higher price than one is prepared to accept to close the deal, but you knew that, right?

Who's the daddy? LOL.

deflecting is a LAZY way of (non)participating in a thread. . you haven't responded to the specific point I made,  which disgusts me. according to your boss, American taxpayers are now is going to get their money back - PLUS ''. as I wrote, what is he - a bloody money lender.? or is that part of your idea of American decency is?

3 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

I see heads exploding on AN, LOL.

BTW, Trump doesn't give a monkey's for the "old way" of doing things in Euroland which gave us 3 years of slaughter in Ukraine.

I don't care who he votes for in that farce- the UN- as long as it stops young guys like I used to be getting massacred in the trenches. Seems some on here think it's OK for lots of boys to die as long as it's not their kin. Pity they didn't have the balls to go and join in to support their cause.

talk about fumbling the ball. ho ho ho 555 LOL.  it was your 'hero' who did not have the balls to serve his country in the military, due to claiming he had (spontaneously appearing) bone spurs. It is the real American heroes who do not take daddy's money & influence to buy their way in life.

Well, Zelensky caved in and is supposedly ready to sign onto the peace deal giving the US half interest the titanium and other rare earth minerals concentrated near the disputed areas.   That sounds all well and good, but will such deal be acceptable to Russia?  No NATO in Ukraine is a must for them, and perhaps that goes as well for no EU soldiers.  So can Trump convince Putin that the mere presence of the ongoing mineral extraction business run by the US is a sufficient guarantee for Russia?  Will Russia itself guarantee the safety of the business?  

 

My guess is that something along those lines will happen.  Maybe the US can cut in Russia for a share of its profits.  Everybody wins except Ukraine, o so it would seem. 

 

One thing is certain, the EU is finished as a military power in the region, as is NATO.  But the killing will stop as Trump has promised. 

On 2/25/2025 at 5:15 PM, Harrisfan said:

He wants 50% of Ukraine. He won't get that. He gets 11% which he won under Biden. Do keep up.

Russia currently occupies about 20 percent of Ukraine. Recent efforts have encroached ever deeper .

Putin will not retreat.

His new Axis ally is being offered the rest.

5 minutes ago, 0ffshore360 said:

Russia currently occupies about 20 percent of Ukraine. Recent efforts have encroached ever deeper .

Putin will not retreat.

His new Axis ally is being offered the rest.

9% from 2014, 11% from last 3 years. They gained less than 4% a year. Pathetic army. Another 20 years to gain full control at that rate or 10 years at double speed.

 

 

On 2/25/2025 at 1:52 PM, SunnyinBangrak said:

The "puppet" he was too terrified of to invade Ukraine under like he did under democrats Obama and Biden? Strange puppet.

Silly narrative the whole Putins puppet thing isn't it?

Is it?

2 minutes ago, 0ffshore360 said:

Is it?

Putin got 9% under Obama and it was easy. Got zero under Trump except a peace deal. Next.

2 minutes ago, Harrisfan said:

Putin got 9% under Obama and it was easy. Got zero under Trump except a peace deal. Next.

Beat the drum ! 

It's unraveling  fast !

 

I don't think the Democratic Party wants to have everlasting wars, but they see the point of having the Ukraine as a buffer to curb Russia's expansionism. Should Putin not be deterred, he becomes a serious threat to Europe. As the US and EU have the largest bilateral trade and investment relationship in the world, the US economy would be negatively impacted. 

 

10 minutes ago, Purdey said:

I don't think the Democratic Party wants to have everlasting wars, but they see the point of having the Ukraine as a buffer to curb Russia's expansionism. Should Putin not be deterred, he becomes a serious threat to Europe. As the US and EU have the largest bilateral trade and investment relationship in the world, the US economy would be negatively impacted. 

 

Exactly.

"Fixing" Putin now is like fixing a mechanical problem in your car before the car explodes. The longer you wait, the worse it gets.

 

4 hours ago, Harrisfan said:

History proves you wrong. We joined Russia to win ww2. Trump is getting the war ended soon. Only an idiot would want the war to keep going another 4 years.

 

Suggest you review your comprehension of US deciding to join in WW11. Who's suggesting they wish for the Ukraine war to extend for another four years?

5 hours ago, simple1 said:

Were you not a nurse not in a combat role? If you believe appeasement is going to stop armed aggression, history proves you wrong

 

4 hours ago, Harrisfan said:

No, we sided with Russia and smashed them. 

This response by you (@Harrisfan) to simple1's post really proves to me that in fact you don't read any news or history.  The Allies did not side with Russia... they needed them.... almost as much as the Russians needed the aid from the Allies before they could get their war effort organized.  The existential Nazi threat was what brought Russia and the Allies together.

4 hours ago, Harrisfan said:

History proves you wrong. We joined Russia to win ww2

Another of your posts that is a complete non sequitur to the discussion you quoted.  In case you forgot.... the other posters were addressing appeasement to prevent war