12 hours ago, cjinchiangrai said:

Foolish not to have one and even more foolish to tear it up once you have it.

Chamberlain/ Hilter, that worked out well didnt it, theyre just useless  agreements...........I have here a paper signed by chancellor Hitler himself, may as well have been sigend by a   Mr. M. Mouse

Then we have Stalin/ Hitler, that too worked out well

3 hours ago, Patong2021 said:

As a reminder, Iran attempted to  murder President Trump several times.

Any proof of that?

20 minutes ago, FritsSikkink said:

Any proof of that?

Ask Biden:

 

The Biden administration obtained intelligence in recent weeks about an Iranian assassination plot against former President Donald Trump, and the information led the Secret Service to ramp up security around the former president, according to three U.S. officials with knowledge of the matter.

https://www.nbcnews.com/investigations/iran-assassination-plot-trump-secret-service-tightened-security-rcna162203

3 hours ago, steven100 said:

 

Do not use 'We' .....  you mean 'You' ....  not we .   I don't agree with anything you said so it's certainly not 'we'

 

Has Israel ever threatened any nation with annihilation, just for existing?  No.   Iran has, multiple times.

Do Israeli religious leaders preach death and terror sermons from their pulpits? No.  Iranian mullahs do it almost every week.

Does Israel murder and violently assault critics of its government? No. Iran does.

Do Israeli people take to the streets shouting death to any nation? No. The Iranian government supporters regularly do so.

Iran has been directly responsible for the deaths of almost 1 million people and the creation of 18 million+ refugees in recent years.

 

Iran presents a  direct danger to the western world and to the non muslim population in its region. I direct you to a summary of the threats Iran presents to  the UK as outlined a few weeks ago in the UK Parliament. Here are some of the key points presented;

 

Source:  UK Parliament Hansard - Iranian State Threats: Volume 763: debated on Tuesday 4 March 2025; 

The Minister for Security  Dan Jarvis  

-The director general of MI5 recently stated that since the start of 2022, the UK has responded to 20 Iran-backed plots presenting potentially lethal threats to British citizens and UK residents.

-The Iranian intelligence services, which include the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps and the Ministry of Intelligence and Security, direct this damaging activity, but often, rather than working directly on UK shores, they use criminal proxies to do their bidding. That helps to obfuscate their involvement, while they are safely ensconced in Tehran. We see that in intelligence, but we also saw it publicly in the 2023 conviction of the Chechen-born Austrian national who was imprisoned for conducting surveillance on Iran International’s UK headquarters.

- These threats are not only physical in nature. The National Cyber Security Centre has seen malicious cyber-activity, conducted by actors who are affiliated with the Iranian state, that targets a range of state sectors, including in the UK. 

-  (Iran uses) Criminal networks and enablers to carry out its work. The leader of the Zindashti organised crime group—a group frequently used by the Iranian regime—has already been sanctioned. -

- I welcome the Charity Commission’s statutory inquiries into both the Islamic Centre of England and the Al-Tawheed Charitable Trust. (linked to Iranian terrorism)

 

If a war starts in iran i sure wouldnt feel comfortable living in europe

16 minutes ago, Patong2021 said:

 

Has Israel ever threatened any nation with annihilation, just for existing?  No.   Iran has, multiple times.

Do Israeli religious leaders preach death and terror sermons from their pulpits? No.  Iranian mullahs do it almost every week.

Does Israel murder and violently assault critics of its government? No. Iran does.

Do Israeli people take to the streets shouting death to any nation? No. The Iranian government supporters regularly do so.

Iran has been directly responsible for the deaths of almost 1 million people and the creation of 18 million+ refugees in recent years.

 

Iran presents a  direct danger to the western world and to the non muslim population in its region. I direct you to a summary of the threats Iran presents to  the UK as outlined a few weeks ago in the UK Parliament. Here are some of the key points presented;

 

Source:  UK Parliament Hansard - Iranian State Threats: Volume 763: debated on Tuesday 4 March 2025; 

The Minister for Security  Dan Jarvis  

-The director general of MI5 recently stated that since the start of 2022, the UK has responded to 20 Iran-backed plots presenting potentially lethal threats to British citizens and UK residents.

-The Iranian intelligence services, which include the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps and the Ministry of Intelligence and Security, direct this damaging activity, but often, rather than working directly on UK shores, they use criminal proxies to do their bidding. That helps to obfuscate their involvement, while they are safely ensconced in Tehran. We see that in intelligence, but we also saw it publicly in the 2023 conviction of the Chechen-born Austrian national who was imprisoned for conducting surveillance on Iran International’s UK headquarters.

- These threats are not only physical in nature. The National Cyber Security Centre has seen malicious cyber-activity, conducted by actors who are affiliated with the Iranian state, that targets a range of state sectors, including in the UK. 

-  (Iran uses) Criminal networks and enablers to carry out its work. The leader of the Zindashti organised crime group—a group frequently used by the Iranian regime—has already been sanctioned. -

- I welcome the Charity Commission’s statutory inquiries into both the Islamic Centre of England and the Al-Tawheed Charitable Trust. (linked to Iranian terrorism)

 

does all your sprouting give Israel the right to bomb and kill innocent children & civilians.  

 

Citizens of Iran are the most friendly and hospitable people you could ever meet imo.  

I'd welcome and Iranian into my home anytime,  however, an Israeli ..i'd throw rotten tomatoes at them,  they are not welcome at all. 

Right & Trump was going to go total crush on Hamas if the hostages were not released, plus Peace in the Ukraine in "days" after he became president.  Like everything else, just empty bellowing. 

Given how fast he caved on his tariffs. Was it even 24 hours? Iran has nothing to worry about. More to the point China is watching all of this and making plans. Remain calm & just wait him out. Given his legendary attention span deficit, he will declare victory & move onto something else.  

17 hours ago, cjinchiangrai said:

Not a good idea to telegraph war plans, especially for other countries. What if Iran attacks first? Or Russia?

I don't think that they use "telegraph", "Signal" seems to be the favoured platform for spreading war plans!

30 minutes ago, steven100 said:

does all your sprouting give Israel the right to bomb and kill innocent children & civilians.  

 

Citizens of Iran are the most friendly and hospitable people you could ever meet imo.  

I'd welcome and Iranian into my home anytime,  however, an Israeli ..i'd throw rotten tomatoes at them,  they are not welcome at all. 

Does your sprouting's give Hamas the right to use the whole civilian population of Gaza as their personal sacrifice via human shields and deliberately putting them in harms way. Does it give Hamas the right to openly state that the deaths are "‘Necessary Sacrifices’"

Who was it that handed an entire country to the Taliban?

5 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Does your sprouting's give Hamas the right to use the whole civilian population of Gaza as their personal sacrifice via human shields and deliberately putting them in harms way. Does it give Hamas the right to openly state that the deaths are "‘Necessary Sacrifices’"

innocent children are not Hamas,   why kill them.   Israelis aren't welcome in most places. 

5 minutes ago, steven100 said:

innocent children are not Hamas,   why kill them.   Israelis aren't welcome in most places. 

Why does Hamas fire rockets from near schools and hospitals deliberately putting children in harms way? Why do they set up command centers in hospitals and UN camps? Try reading my post again.

5 minutes ago, steven100 said:

innocent children are not Hamas,   why kill them.   Israelis aren't welcome in most places. 

They are welcome in the US, the only country that matters

48 minutes ago, steven100 said:

does all your sprouting give Israel the right to bomb and kill innocent children & civilians.  

 

Citizens of Iran are the most friendly and hospitable people you could ever meet imo.  

I'd welcome and Iranian into my home anytime,  however, an Israeli ..i'd throw rotten tomatoes at them,  they are not welcome at all. 

Hahahaha. Yes europeans are quite intent inviting them into their home. They will find out the hard way

11 hours ago, emptypockets said:

Do you find it unacceptable?

If so , what are you going to do about it?

 

Yes to you first question.

 

Open one of my remaining three bottles of 1982 Château Margaux to your second question …….. next

 

 

17 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

If only there was a treaty with Iran not to produce nuclear weapons.

 

 

There is; it is called the JCPOA and is between Iran, China, Russia, France, Germany, the United Kingdom and the European Union.

 

 

1 hour ago, Eloquent pilgrim said:

 

 

There is; it is called the JCPOA and is between Iran, China, Russia, France, Germany, the United Kingdom and the European Union.

 

 

Sooooo, is it being ignored by Iran? If so why?

 

18 hours ago, johng said:

Why can certain countries have nuclear weapons but not others ?

It's not the ones we know about that we have to worry about, but the ones trying ( or succeeding ) to buy a few that we don't know about. I'm sure the taliban would like to have a couple.

1 hour ago, Eloquent pilgrim said:

 

 

There is; it is called the JCPOA and is between Iran, China, Russia, France, Germany, the United Kingdom and the European Union.

 

 

Oh.

 

And which nation withdrew?

 

 

7 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Oh.

 

And which nation withdrew?

 

 

 

 

America, which you must have now researched; considering you didn’t even know there was such a treaty only a few hours ago. Well done.

 

 

 

 

29 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

It's not the ones we know about that we have to worry about, but the ones trying ( or succeeding ) to buy a few that we don't know about. I'm sure the taliban would like to have a couple.

 

Good try, but I don't think it is possible to make someone that felt the need to ask the question understand; you can explain it to them but you cannot understand it for them.

 

 

13 hours ago, FritsSikkink said:

You guys want another war and are the only country in the world who ever used them.

Firebombing killed more than the two nukes at Hiroshima and Nagasaki.  The second one helped persuade Japan's war cabinet to surrender.  Invading Japan by conventional means would have caused well over one million dead and wounded on both sides.  A necessary evil don't you think.?.?

44 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Sooooo, is it being ignored by Iran? If so why?

 

 

I doubt if it is being ignored, but very possibly manipulated. There is a school of thought that the treaty was never robust enough to begin with, which is why Trump withdrew.

Only one reason for being evasive, they want nuclear weapons.

 

 

16 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

You obviously missed some history classes.

 

Neville Chamberlin didn’t unilaterally withdraw from any treaties.

 

 

 

I should have known that juxtaposing a futile historic agreement, with a futile modern agreement, would go right over your head.

 

 

20 minutes ago, Eloquent pilgrim said:

 

I doubt if it is being ignored, but very possibly manipulated. There is a school of thought that the treaty was never robust enough to begin with, which is why Trump withdrew.

Only one reason for being evasive, they want nuclear weapons.

 

 

As I saw it, it was a BS agreement that Obama made so he could get more adulation from the luvvies. Remember plane loads of money being flown to Iran?

I'm not surprised that Trump ditched it or that Euro leaders loved it. I doubt it was their money being shipped.

 

I doubt it will make any difference if Iran has a few, as they know that if they use one against the west they are crispy critters. I'm more worried about the ones bought that we don't know about.

26 minutes ago, Fortean1 said:

Firebombing killed more than the two nukes at Hiroshima and Nagasaki.  The second one helped persuade Japan's war cabinet to surrender.  Invading Japan by conventional means would have caused well over one million dead and wounded on both sides.  A necessary evil don't you think.?.?

Every American waiting to invade Japan certainly thanked the bomb for saving them.

 

I'm bemused by the people that imagine the bomb was worse than firebombing Tokyo etc. If it stopped the war, I have no problem with it being used.

Given the activities of the Japanese in China, I don't even have much sympathy for them.

32 minutes ago, Eloquent pilgrim said:

 

I should have known that juxtaposing a futile historic agreement, with a futile modern agreement, would go right over your head.

 

 

The fact you got the wrong end of that piece of history certainly did not escape me.

14 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Every American waiting to invade Japan certainly thanked the bomb for saving them.

 

I'm bemused by the people that imagine the bomb was worse than firebombing Tokyo etc. If it stopped the war, I have no problem with it being used.

Given the activities of the Japanese in China, I don't even have much sympathy for them.

It is easy to Monday morning quarterback this one. The big problem now is that current warheads are significantly larger. They are not the same weapons.

4 hours ago, steven100 said:

innocent children are not Hamas,   why kill them.   Israelis aren't welcome in most places. 

 

And yet you ignore the 600,000+ Syrian civilians dead in large part because of Iran. And you ignore the 14 million refugees created by the Iranian support of Assad. And you are silent on the  catastrophe in Yemen because of Irans proxy  militia, the Houthi.

You have quite the double standard,

 

You ignored the list of Iranian misdeeds that the UK Parliament  had to deal with.

 

Most of the decent Iranians have been forced out of Iran and are subject to harassment and violence because of the Iranian government.  You obviously don't know too many Iranians, because a large portion of them are pro-Israel. In fact some of the most active social media voices are Iranians who counter the lies of the regime. Inside Iran, it is not uncommon for the crowd to antagonize the religious  faction by shouting out pro-Israel  chants at some football matches. The Canadian families of the Iranians murdered by the Iranian downing of a civilian aircraft some years ago still cry out for justice. The IRG refused to co-operate with the investigation.

 

Please don't patronize us with your whitewash of the Iranian Islamic Republic.

 

 

 

6 minutes ago, Patong2021 said:

nd yet you ignore the 600,000+ Syrian civilians dead in large part because of Iran.

Its almost like their was another player, besides Iran, assisting & propping up Syria. A supplier of both military equipment, & soldiers, to Assad. 

Surprise, Surprise, Surprise, it was RUSSIA. However given the bro love for Putin, MAGA heads are not permitted to mention that fact.