Just now, candide said:

I was just highlighting the incoherence of your conspiracy theory. If the Chinese (or whoever) had planned and made the virus, they would have had a vaccine ready. 

Dude the Chinese didn't plan it. And the mRNA shot were ready way before they let the world know and Trump's warp speed.

Trump didn't know , he got fed what they told him. Not a conspiracy theory.

11 minutes ago, FlorC said:

Dude the Chinese didn't plan it. And the mRNA shot were ready way before they let the world know and Trump's warp speed.

Trump didn't know , he got fed what they told him. Not a conspiracy theory.

Complete B.S. 

5 hours ago, dinsdale said:

Consensus means generally accepted/agreed upon and it is now generally accepted/agreed upon that the most likely cause of Covid-19 pandemic was from a leak from the Wuhan Lab not zoonic transfer at the wet market. Zoonic transfer is the least likely option. 

Yes, generally accepted that the most likely cause ... 

Therefore not generally accepted, or the consensus, that a lableak is the cause.

14 minutes ago, candide said:

Complete B.S. 

Why are you so desperately holding on to the official naritive ?

What do you gain by that ?

The comfort of knowing/hoping the shots you have had were justified ?

Why can't others think and believe something else (like the truth) ?

6 minutes ago, stevenl said:

Yes, generally accepted that the most likely cause ... 

Therefore not generally accepted, or the consensus, that a lableak is the cause.

CIA, FBI, US Energy Commission, US Senate Committee Hearing, Germany's Foreign intelligence service and a long list of independent (no big pharma funding) scientists all agree and it is therefore generally accepted that the lab leak is the most likely cause. Worth bearing in mind that as of now no zoonic link has been found and the CCP destroyed evidence.

1 minute ago, dinsdale said:

CIA, FBI, US Energy Commission, US Senate Committee Hearing, Germany's Foreign intelligence service and a long list of independent (no big pharma funding) scientists all agree and it is therefore generally accepted that the lab leak is the most likely cause. Worth bearing in mind that as of now no zoonic link has been found and the CCP destroyed evidence.

I should have known subtleties, also important, distinguishing subtleties, sre lost on you.

47 minutes ago, LosLobo said:

Trump dismantled the pandemic response team, shelved the playbook,

 

The playbook was well set out in the "Great Barrington Declaration"

one of the lead authors was Stanford Medical School professor Jay Bhattacharya

(name ring any bells ?)

if only they had listened to him/them  and done what we have done for every other  "pandemic"  things would have been very different.

3 minutes ago, stevenl said:

I should have known subtleties, also important, distinguishing subtleties, sre lost on you.

Please explain the subtleties in your post. 

 

"Yes, generally accepted that the most likely cause ... 

Therefore not generally accepted, or the consensus, that a lableak is the cause."

 

".... generally accepted ...." ".... not generally accepted ....". To me this is just a contradiction so yes I've obviously missed the "subtleties".

21 minutes ago, FlorC said:

Why are you so desperately holding on to the official naritive ?

What do you gain by that ?

The comfort of knowing/hoping the shots you have had were justified ?

Why can't others think and believe something else (like the truth) ?

Lame deflection. Your conspiracy theory is completely incoherent.

13 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

CIA, FBI, US Energy Commission, US Senate Committee Hearing, Germany's Foreign intelligence service and a long list of independent (no big pharma funding) scientists all agree and it is therefore generally accepted that the lab leak is the most likely cause. Worth bearing in mind that as of now no zoonic link has been found and the CCP destroyed evidence.

It's not the most likely according to scientists.. You know, from research made by scientists and published in well ranked peer-reviewed scientific journals. 

2 minutes ago, candide said:

Lame deflection. Your conspiracy theory is completely incoherent.

Ok , you keep holding on to your believes. 

Just now, FlorC said:

Ok , you keep holding on to your believes. 

Not beliefs, facts.

2 minutes ago, candide said:

Lame deflection. Your conspiracy theory is completely incoherent.

Conspiracy theory? Wow! Personally I can't wait for excess deaths to be fully and independently investigated. Another "conspiracy theory" for you.

1 minute ago, candide said:

Not beliefs, facts.

Please share with us the facts showing without doubt a zoonic transfer of the virus originating in the Wuhan wet market. 

Trump fans love this stuff. Makes himself prominent on a site. Appears to make really useful information less prominent. Sells a line where the evidence is not clear either way. If Biden did the same I'd be embarrassed but Trump fans lap it up. 

 

24 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

Please share with us the facts showing without doubt a zoonic transfer of the virus originating in the Wuhan wet market. 

I was replying to a ridiculous claim that the virus had been planned in advance and that the mRNA vaccine was also ready in advance. Do you agree with this conspiracy theory?

 

As to the two hypotheses about the origin of the virus, there are facts about both of them. However  the most likely scientific explanation is zoonotic (see sources posted before). Of course  the man-made virus hypothesis is also possible  but less likely.

1 hour ago, candide said:

Complete B.S. 

I wonder where the Trump supporters here on AN get all their information from? It certainly can't be from information freely available from the internet. They seem to live in a world of denial.

On 4/21/2025 at 7:52 AM, johng said:

Well what do you know yet another

"conspiracy theory"   turning out to be fact not fiction !

 

 

Conspiracy is like beauty, in the eye of the beholder.

 

The genetic evidence, the new report contends, supports the hypothesis that SARS-CoV-2 emerged in the same way that SARS-CoV-1 — which sickened people in 2002-2003 but was extinguished before it could cause a full-blown pandemic — is widely believed to have started, from animals sold in a market. The authors contend the world needs to take more aggressive action to shut down the illegal trade in wildlife to lower the risk of another catastrophic pandemic.

 

“All the data [on the origin of the pandemic] currently available point in the same direction, which is the wildlife trade in the Huanan market. Will it put the debate to an end? I’m afraid it’s unlikely,” Débarre said.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/science/2024/09/19/covid-origin-wuhan-market/

21 minutes ago, johng said:

The playbook was well set out in the "Great Barrington Declaration"

one of the lead authors was Stanford Medical School professor Jay Bhattacharya

(name ring any bells ?)

if only they had listened to him/them  and done what we have done for every other  "pandemic"  things would have been very different.

'Great Barrington Declaration'— You’re mixing up your playbooks.
The one Trump flushed down the toilet was Obama’s pandemic response plan — not your fairy tale.

'Ring any bells?'— Yeah, a death knell.
'If only they had listened' — we’d have a higher body count.

1 minute ago, candide said:

I was replying to a ridiculous claim that the virus had been planned in advance and that the mRNA vaccine was also ready in advance. Do you agree with this conspiracy theory?

 

As to the two hypotheses about the origin of the virus, there are facts about both of them. However  the most likely scientific explanation is zoonotic (see sources posted before). Of course  the man-made virus hypothesis is also possible  but less likely.

The CCP had a vaccine ready to go or close to it. As for a man-made virus being less likely it's beyond doubt that gain of function experiments were being carried out in the lab on bat corona viruses using humanised mice. As for your scientific research I looked at them (one has been withdrawn) and none of them state their status as having no conflict of interest, conflict of interest being Big Pharma funding.

17 minutes ago, billd766 said:

I wonder where the Trump supporters here on AN get all their information from? It certainly can't be from information freely available from the internet. They seem to live in a world of denial.

There's surely a whole ecosystem.

8 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

The CCP had a vaccine ready to go or close to it. As for a man-made virus being less likely it's beyond doubt that gain of function experiments were being carried out in the lab on bat corona viruses using humanised mice. As for your scientific research I looked at them (one has been withdrawn) and none of them state their status as having no conflict of interest, conflict of interest being Big Pharma funding.

So no mRNA as claimed by the other poster.

It took one year for China to launch the vaccination campaign and the vaccine was far from being good.

 

You have nothing to support your "beyond any doubt" claim.

 

And then a lame Big Pharma conspiracy theory yo rejecy scientific articles you don't like. How convenient.... 

10 minutes ago, LosLobo said:

Obama’s pandemic response plan — not your fairy tale.

 

Did Obama's plan advocate  lock downs,shuttering of small business, social distancing, masks, mandatory injection with  rushed concoctions,surveillance,shaming,censorship,de-banking,de-platforming,smear campaigns and military grade syops ??

18 minutes ago, LosLobo said:

If only they had listened' — we’d have a higher body count.

 

Sweden.

@candide can you answer these questions for us. Why did the CCP destroy evidence of what was happening at the lab and why in 6 years has no zoonic link been found?

19 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

@candide can you answer these questions for us. Why did the CCP destroy evidence of what was happening at the lab and why in 6 years has no zoonic link been found?

I don't know. I have no divination power. The progenitor of Covid-19 has not been identified yet.

 

In any case, it doesn't make the man-made hypothesis more likely. If Covid-19 is the outcome of gain of function research, which virus is the progenitor? There isn't any known. Of course  you can design any nice conspiracy theory you want about a "secret" progenitor, but it's just speculation.

 

 

41 minutes ago, billd766 said:

I wonder where the Trump supporters here on AN get all their information from? It certainly can't be from information freely available from the internet. They seem to live in a world of denial.

Yes, those silly fool Trump fans who were factually correct about the lableak while you billd766 were busy cheering the pro China false official narrative and calling the smart posters who were factually correct a "cult" or morons. Hmmmm..... 

We'll never know the truth, but I kind of think this email is interesting:

 

19 minutes ago, candide said:

I don't know. I have no divination power. The progenitor of Covid-19 has not been identified yet.

 

In any case, it doesn't make the man-made hypothesis more likely. If Covid-19 is the outcome of gain of function research, which virus is the progenitor? There isn't any known. Of course  you can design any nice conspiracy theory you want about a "secret" progenitor, but it's just speculation.

 

 

You're kidding. As I mentioned above gain of function was being carried out on bat corona viruses. As for no viruses being the same as Sars-CoV-2 you are correct. Nothing in nature has been found. 

10 hours ago, Social Media said:

Dr. Anthony Fauci, the former chief medical advisor, for endorsing what it describes as a “preferred narrative that COVID-19 originated naturally.

We all knew already that this theory was a lie. The most likely scenario was it originated in the lab in Wuhan. Chinas influence and their fact hiding as well as their threats to blame them were the reason for Bidens website saying it occured naturally.