7 hours ago, Yellowtail said:

Please post a few of the ads, I'm in the market. 

Go find your own

48 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said:

 

I think it depends on tariffs as it's probably made in a joint venture with BYD and manufactured in China.

Ah, I didn't know that, but it makes sense and explains why it suddenly got a lot better!

6 hours ago, JBChiangRai said:

 

I spent the first 5 years of my post university life as a trade buyer of cars too.

 

I’m also looking for a BYD Dolphin for my youngest daughter,about one year old, if you can find one at 50% depreciation, please let me know, hell no! If you can find one with 25% depreciation, let me know.

50% off is the trade price.... Thai dealers will add their mark up. BYD is the most popular and so may cost you more than most Chinese cars.

2 minutes ago, DaRoadrunner said:

Go find your own

Oh, what a tangled web we weave...

6 minutes ago, Bandersnatch said:

 

As I have previously stated...

 

Honda and Toyota HEVs, the equivalent cars to my BYD Seal AWD Performance  (0-100km/hr in 3.8 seconds) are far more expensive to buy and run and have much worse performance.

 

My Seal came with 8 years of completely free servicing (parts and labour) and most of the time I charge it from solar for free.

 

 

 

 

- There's no equivalent to Honda and Toyota Hybrids lol. Definitely not the Seal. Yes, it's fast but very little range compared to these Hybrids. That's a hassle. A big hassle. 

- Another hassle is the price. Yes, Honda's are expensive but you can drive it for ten years with very little worries AND it's worth a decent price after ten years. A BYD is worth F all after just a few years. 

- Another hassle is a BYD isn't nearly the quality of a Honda or Toyota. You get what you pay for. 

19 minutes ago, Nacho Libre said:

It does seem like with EVs there is a bit of extra hassle compared to a standard car, but I get the impression that's more of an issue of getting used to doing things you haven't done or used before. Like getting the apps for using chargers in EV stations, keeping track of where to find these stations, planning ahead a bit more when making longer trips etc.

Once you've gotten used to this it seems quite straightforward.

 

 

 

Not to mention the time sat around drinking coffee waiting for it to charge. Assuming of course one of the charging stations is free (good luck with that during Songkran or one of the other Thailand public holidays).

 

I always thought new technology was supposed to make things more convenient. These EV's seem to make things much less convenient, unless you have a very specific set of circumstances like the EV fans on the forum i.e. have a garage with a charging station and solar panels at home, never do long trips, never in a rush, love drinking Starbucks in gas stations etc.

25 minutes ago, Furioso said:

- There's no equivalent to Honda and Toyota Hybrids lol. Definitely not the Seal. Yes, it's fast but very little range compared to these Hybrids. That's a hassle. A big hassle. 

- Another hassle is the price. Yes, Honda's are expensive but you can drive it for ten years with very little worries AND it's worth a decent price after ten years. A BYD is worth F all after just a few years. 

- Another hassle is a BYD isn't nearly the quality of a Honda or Toyota. You get what you pay for. 

 

Do you know your buttocks from your olecranon?

 

Methinks you don't

13 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

 

Not to mention the time sat around drinking coffee waiting for it to charge. Assuming of course one of the charging stations is free (good luck with that during Songkran or one of the other Thailand public holidays).

 

I always thought new technology was supposed to make things more convenient. These EV's seem to make things much less convenient, unless you have a very specific set of circumstances like the EV fans on the forum i.e. have a garage with a charging station and solar panels at home, never do long trips, never in a rush, love drinking Starbucks in gas stations etc.

It's history repeating itself.

- There were electric cars over 100 years ago and then along came ICE cars and people flocked to them. 

- Now there are electric cars(of questionable quality) and people will soon flock to ICE cars again. 

Just now, Furioso said:

It's history repeating itself.

- There were electric cars over 100 years ago and then along came ICE cars and people flocked to them. 

- Now there are electric cars(of questionable quality) and people will soon flock to ICE cars again. 

 

I know EV's have an ever increasing market share, but that curve is about to go downwards

 

What utter tosh

1 minute ago, JBChiangRai said:

 

Do you know your buttocks from your olecranon?

 

Methinks you don't

Well Mr. Shakespeare I dost knoweth cars. 

4 minutes ago, Furioso said:

It's history repeating itself.

- There were electric cars over 100 years ago and then along came ICE cars and people flocked to them. 

- Now there are electric cars(of questionable quality) and people will soon flock to ICE cars again. 

 

Indeed.

 

The Doomsday cult is basically peeing in our pockets and telling us it's raining. 

 

"Hey, buy one of these new cars that takes 20 times as long to recharge and then goes half as far". 😃

 

And the believers are all like...

 

9 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said:

 

I know EV's have an ever increasing market share, but that curve is about to go downwards

 

What utter tosh

Only because you bought loads............😋

1 hour ago, Furioso said:

- There's no equivalent to Honda and Toyota Hybrids lol. Definitely not the Seal. Yes, it's fast but very little range compared to these Hybrids. That's a hassle. A big hassle. 

 

The three cars I quoted are all D-segment saloons/sedans. The Seal has a range of 630 km so if you were driving at 120km/hr you would drive for five and a half hours, by which time most people would need to stop.

 

My round trip to BKK is 900km and I stop for 20 mins on the way down and the same on the way back. I always stop at a BYD Dealership and can see on the BYD app how many chargers are free. The chargers are "plug and charge", so they recognise my car and start charging immediately. I can use the customer lounge with free coffee, snacks and wifi. It's really not a hassle, particularly as I do such trips quite rarely.

 

1 hour ago, Furioso said:

- Another hassle is the price. Yes, Honda's are expensive but you can drive it for ten years with very little worries AND it's worth a decent price after ten years. A BYD is worth F all after just a few years.

 

My BYD has 8 years warranty on the car and battery with battery being  guaranteed to have at least 70%  capacity after 8 years 

 

A 10 year old Honda is worth what any 10 year old car is  - not much

 

 

 

1 hour ago, Furioso said:

- Another hassle is a BYD isn't nearly the quality of a Honda or Toyota. You get what you pay for. 

 

Sealed electric motors don't require any maintenance.

 

 

on the other hand.....

 

 

1 hour ago, JonnyF said:

... Not to mention the time sat around drinking coffee waiting for it to charge ...

 

it's quite interesting how ev critics still bring up the charging issue, as if every car owner (like all ev haters) drives hundreds of kilometers every day, spending hours behind the wheel without ever taking a short break and also without eating ...

 

in reality, over a year time, ice car owners spend more time at petrol stations for refueling the car for daly use , while ev owners can charge conveniently and cheaply at home ... except on longer trips over 300 to 400 km need a short stop for charging ...

 

there are now nearly 60 million electric cars on the road worldwide, and that number is growing fast. whether you like it or not, ev's will play a role in the future of transportation ...

 

i know it might be a lot to ask, but try to keep an open mind and take a test drive, eg. with an ev owner and get some first-hand experience ... 

11 minutes ago, motdaeng said:

 

it's quite interesting how ev critics still bring up the charging issue, as if every car owner (like all ev haters) drives hundreds of kilometers every day, spending hours behind the wheel without ever taking a short break and also without eating ...

 

in reality, over a year time, ice car owners spend more time at petrol stations for refueling the car for daly use , while ev owners can charge conveniently and cheaply at home ... except on longer trips over 300 to 400 km need a short stop for charging ...

 

On the road - it takes just a few minutes to refuel ICE but a EV takes 30 minutes and that's only up to 80%. 

15 minutes ago, motdaeng said:

i know it might be a lot to ask, but try to keep an open mind and take a test drive, eg. with an ev owner and get some first-hand experience ... 

This. This is what swung me over to the EV side (although I haven't bought one yet). Driving and experiencing it. 

But yeah, it requires an open mind so no chance of it happening with the likes of Jonny.

8 minutes ago, motdaeng said:

 

it's quite interesting how ev critics still bring up the charging issue, as if every car owner (like all ev haters) drives hundreds of kilometers every day, spending hours behind the wheel without ever taking a short break and also without eating ...

 

It IS an issue. People talking about using apps to book a slot, planning their journey according to where the station is, having to wait 45 minutes to get 50% charge etc. Try that over a Thai national holiday. It would make the trip unbearable for me. In my Camry hybrid I get 1000kms on a tank and I can fill up at any tin roof gas station in 2 minutes in the middle of nowhere so I don't even have to worry about it. 

 

8 minutes ago, motdaeng said:

 

in reality, over a year time, ice car owners spend more time at petrol stations for refueling the car for daly use , while ev owners can charge conveniently and cheaply at home ... except on longer trips over 300 to 400 km need a short stop for charging ...

 

Assuming you have a house of course. Millions of people live in condos or houses with no driveway/garage. 

 

8 minutes ago, motdaeng said:

 

there are now nearly 60 million electric cars on the road worldwide, and that number is growing fast. whether you like it or not, ev's will play a role in the future of transportation ...

 

It doesn't bother me. Why would it? I don't own one. As more and more people buy them, it will become increasingly difficult to find a place to charge them. A line of 5 cars waiting for gas takes 10 minutes max. That could be 3-4 hours of waiting on a busy day if you have an EV. 

 

8 minutes ago, motdaeng said:

 

i know it might be a lot to ask, but try to keep an open mind and take a test drive, eg. with an ev owner and get some first-hand experience ... 

 

I tested a friends Q4 E-Tron when I was in the UK. Took it to the golf course. Very quick, but utterly soulless. Like driving a dodgem. He said he only uses it for short journeys to the mall or the restaurant, when he goes down to Newquay with the kids he takes his 10 year old 3 series because it's easier. Young kids don't tend to like waiting around in gas stations with nothing to do after 4 hours in the back of a car.

 

As I said, for people with a very specific set of circumstances they might be OK, for people with busy lives they are a pain in the neck. Convenience/time is extremely important to me. 

@JonnyF

 

are you for real? in the past, this forum has already had many uninformed ev haters with their outdated mindset, spreading confident but completely wrong information … you’re definitely one of the top candidates on that list.

 

it’s probably best not to even try having a reasonable, fact-based discussion with someone like you ... 

21 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

... Convenience/time is extremely important to me ... 

 

isn't it interesting that so many successful business people and ceo's, who are always busy and have no time to waste , also like to choose to drive electric cars?

so you must be a "extremely" different and sooo important person, then ... 

 

Just now, motdaeng said:

 

isn't it interesting that so many successful business people and ceo's, who are always busy and have no time to waste , also like to choose to drive electric cars?

so you must be "extremely" different person, then ... 

 

They have and can afford back-up transport.......🤗

On 7/5/2025 at 12:20 PM, Andrew Dwyer said:

I think you are confused as you quoted a Lithium Ion Phosphate battery.

 I am quite aware of the difference between LFP and Li-ion.

 

Anyway, if the manual states Lithium Iron Phosphate ( LFP ) but the Neta Website states Lithium Ion ( Li-ion ) who is confusing matters ?

 

Which is really quite a shame as at one time I was contemplating buying a medium sized SUV HEV ( Haval Jolion ) for the longer trips and a small EV ( Neta V ) for around town and daily stuff.

The battery chemistry was one of the deciding factors in my decision not to buy the Neta.

 

You are still a bit confused.

 

All Lithium batteries are Lithium Ion batteries, NMC and LFP batteries are just two of the subtypes (different cathode material) of Lithium Ion batteries:

 

An LFP battery is a Lithium Ion battery, but a Lithium Ion battery isn't necessarily an LFP battery.

3 hours ago, motdaeng said:

 

isn't it interesting that so many successful business people and ceo's, who are always busy and have no time to waste , also like to choose to drive electric cars?

so you must be a "extremely" different and sooo important person, then ... 

 

I suggest most busy top CEOs — don’t drive and park cars — they’re chauffeured, so claiming EVs are better because “successful people drive them” is a main course of fact-free BS. Served with a logic-free side salad of straw man, appeal to authority, false cause, and non sequitur.

Seems to me that the same people that are delusional about the climate change BS and have fallen for that propaganda, have also fallen for the propaganda about the Chinese EV market and their EV cars.  There are none so blind as those that believe is something that is clearly propaganda.  IF in 10 years the same China brands are selling their EV cars in the West, because they have been proven to be reliable and value for money, then I will be convinced. The sad things is that when they crash and burn, those 'believers' who are sucking up the propaganda will blame other things for that happening - rather than accept they were wrong and foolish.  See you all then - thread bookmarked for future reference - if I/we/you are still here - and AN is still here too. 

17 minutes ago, TroubleandGrumpy said:

Seems to me that the same people that are delusional about the climate change BS and have fallen for that propaganda, have also fallen for the propaganda about the Chinese EV market and their EV cars.  There are none so blind as those that believe is something that is clearly propaganda.  IF in 10 years the same China brands are selling their EV cars in the West, because they have been proven to be reliable and value for money, then I will be convinced. The sad things is that when they crash and burn, those 'believers' who are sucking up the propaganda will blame other things for that happening - rather than accept they were wrong and foolish.  See you all then - thread bookmarked for future reference - if I/we/you are still here - and AN is still here too. 

Ok, enlightened one, funny that you're talking about propaganda when it seems that is what you have been swallowed copious amounts of.

Can you share you source of your enlightenment please? Where do you seek the truth from? Please share.

15 hours ago, motdaeng said:

@JonnyF

 

are you for real? in the past, this forum has already had many uninformed ev haters with their outdated mindset, spreading confident but completely wrong information … you’re definitely one of the top candidates on that list.

 

Feel free to disprove any of my points.

 

15 hours ago, motdaeng said:

 

it’s probably best not to even try having a reasonable, fact-based discussion with someone like you ... 

 

Yes, without any facts I believe that would be your best course of action. 

14 hours ago, motdaeng said:

 

isn't it interesting that so many successful business people and ceo's, who are always busy and have no time to waste , also like to choose to drive electric cars?

 

Do they? Please provide stats to back this up. What percentage of these people drive EV's compared to ICE? And I don't mean one picture of some celebrity Liberal in a Tesla from before Musk went all MAGA.

 

14 hours ago, motdaeng said:

so you must be a "extremely" different and sooo important person, then ... 

 

 

I don't believe I claimed that, but feel free to quote me if I did. I do have a very busy life though, working at 2 locations 50 kms apart in the Bangkok vicinity and running a farm in Korat, racking up quite a few miles. So spending 45 minutes charging an EV that only has half the range of my Hybrid that can be filled in 2 minutes doesn't seem overly convenient to me. Hardly a step forward. More like 2 steps back. 

 

If you are retired and only go to Tesco once a week they might be OK, assuming they don't go bankrupt like NETA. 

2 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

Do they? Please provide stats to back this up. What percentage of these people drive EV's compared to ICE? And I don't mean one picture of some celebrity Liberal in a Tesla from before Musk went all MAGA.

 

I don't believe I claimed that, but feel free to quote me if I did. I do have a very busy life though, working at 2 locations 50 kms apart in the Bangkok vicinity and running a farm in Korat, racking up quite a few miles. So spending 45 minutes charging an EV that only has half the range of my Hybrid that can be filled in 2 minutes doesn't seem overly convenient to me. Hardly a step forward. More like 2 steps back. 

 

If you are retired and only go to Tesco once a week they might be OK, assuming they don't go bankrupt like NETA. 

Mate - I have stopped wasting my time.  They cannot 'reason' and while it is fun shooting eco delusional fish in a bucket, in the end it is easier to just empty the bucket.  I have said I will come back in 10 years - and if BYD and other cheap Chinese cars are still being sold in the West, then I will admit I was wrong.  But even then, I know when they do 'disappear' that the eco warriors will blame 'haters' like me and you, who dare criticise the quality and viability of cheap Chinese EVs, and who keep killing the planet by using ICEs and ruining Greta's life 🙂 

 

The same people that support shutting down the planet because oil is bad and we should all be forced to drive an EV, are the same people that support Hamas - there is something in that. It speaks volumes of their delusions and foolishness, they probably fall for all the scams like - 'this bottle of wonder drugs will make you healthy' - 'shampoo made from the excreted food of an aardvark will cure baldness'  - etc etc etc.

 

PS - back in the 1990s I said to a work colleague that this climate global warming was all a scam and greatly over-eggagerated.  He reckoned the planet will be dying within 20 years and species will be destroyed - I said the same thing about that as I am saying about the Chinese EVs -  it is now over 30 years and they are still screaming that the planet is dying and the world will end.  But unlike that scam which has no 'use by' date because it is more like a religion which cannot be disproven, the Chinese EVs will be proven fake within 10 years. 

27 minutes ago, TroubleandGrumpy said:

But unlike that scam which has no 'use by' date because it is more like a religion which cannot be disproven, the Chinese EVs will be proven fake within 10 years. 

 

An excellent summary.

 

Although I would argue it is more like a cult, a Doomsday cult to be more specific. "The end is nigh" etc. They even had the child deity until Greta got too old, got bored of the climate alarmism and defected to the Pro Hamas/Pro Palestine cause. 

 

It's no coincidence that they are all socialists. As a wise woman once said, "Global warming provides an marvellous excuse for global socialism". 

21 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

 

An excellent summary.

 

Although I would argue it is more like a cult, a Doomsday cult to be more specific. "The end is nigh" etc. They even had the child deity until Greta got too old, got bored of the climate alarmism and defected to the Pro Hamas/Pro Palestine cause. 

 

It's no coincidence that they are all socialists. As a wise woman once said, "Global warming provides an marvellous excuse for global socialism". 

That cult is 28% of the new car market in TH, not counting hybrids.   BYD & MG with half those sales.

 

Those numbers, percentage will grow faster as people realize BEV in TH are less expensive to buy, maintain & operate, while performing better.

 

As friends, family & neighbors of present owners peek at, ride in and ask questions.   

... "Really, only cost that much, and you just plug in, no need to go to petrol station anymore"

... "And I can save how much charging at home?' 

Actually more, as numbers below are for highway driving @ 90 kph, when possible.   We get ~360 kms per full charge around town, mixed driving 30-60-90 kph. 

 

BEV - 340 kms cost ฿232 (46.3 x ฿5) PEA

ICEV - 340 ÷ 14 = 28.28 L X ฿33.28 = ฿941

 

Their next new car will also be a BEV, until the cult will then be those foolish enough to still overpay to own dinosaur tech crap, running on crap fuel.

3 hours ago, KhunLA said:

That cult is 28% of the new car market in TH, not counting hybrids.   BYD & MG with half those sales.

 

You're making up the numbers. 

 

https://www.mreport.co.th/en/news/statistic-and-ranking/103-thailand-auto-sales-2024

 

 

3 hours ago, KhunLA said:

 

Those numbers, percentage will grow faster as people realize BEV in TH are less expensive to buy, maintain & operate, while performing better.

 

 

Actually it's slowing as the incentives dry up and people realize how inconvenient they are.

 

https://www.bangkokpost.com/business/motoring/2932786/ev-overview-shows-sales-growth-slowing

 

 

People are wising up. They hear stories from friends who have bought them, or in my case, sister in law. 

 

Soon your neighbours will be asking "Why it take 1 hour to charge and only go 350km?" before trading it in for 50% of the purchase price and buying an Isuzu truck.